Sr. Verde's: Concentrate Corner

Matt Rize

Matt Rize

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jdro said:
kitty i see you were running that power butane. they just started stocking that here for half the price of vector. Should I give it a try? Did you notice any difference using it in the product results?
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Power is low grade Vector. Comes from the same company, half prices because its not as clean as Vector. Just FYI.

Among the extract artists, power is a joke. Its Vector or Colibri all the way. Judging by that black bubbly bho, I would not use Kitty's techniques.
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

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jdro said:
yes i remember you saying that, i was just wondering how his results actually turned out compared.
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These companies do not report the levels of contaminants and adulterants in the gases because they are not meant to be used as solvents. With that said, I would spend the money on higher quality gases mixtures like Vector or Colibri, for pure health reasons. The best bet would be to buy a can of each and do a mirror test. Which ever has the least residue on the mirror is the one you want to use.
 
jdro

jdro

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Matt Rize said:
These companies do not report the levels of contaminants and adulterants in the gases because they are not meant to be used as solvents. With that said, I would spend the money on higher quality gases mixtures like Vector or Colibri, for pure health reasons. The best bet would be to buy a can of each and do a mirror test. Which ever has the least residue on the mirror is the one you want to use.
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I get my Vector cheap enough to not really contemplate switching for price reasons, but people i know were interested. Because the local shops here charge 13$ A CAN of vector :wall: They have the power sitting next to it for 5$. Yeah ill stick to vector. I get my vector cases for 60. Good enough for me.
 
Sr. Verde

Sr. Verde

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Matt Rize said:
Marijuana resin is NOT black on any strain. This happens from oxidation, usually caused by over heating during purge, also caused by being an old extract.

Gold is whats up. Ive even had some amazing greenish bho.
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I don't modify my tek much and get a huge range of colors....

With me... Color is seriously determined by quality, and type of cannabis....

My home grown super sativas run to peanut butter, or see through amber....... then my shake I collect off packs of decent chronic get sprayed and are SO dark amber that they absorb light when the oil is thick enough.. appearing black in low light, appearing amber when spread thin and illuminated...... due to the nature of commercial growing I consider most strains to be hybrids, or indica dominant... about 5%-10% of what I financially acquire is actually sativa dominant..
tangerine dream:


after it's settled and ran through another vacuum purge... notice the color remains amber along the edges where the oil is spread thin..

Then I ran this really shitty green crack... got a super low yield, and somewhat more black oil...

again, with the true color being shown where the oil is spread thin...

Both tek is the same.. 1-3 minute electric vac purge @ 28-29hg after a 20-30 second exposure to the oven @ 170....
 

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Sr. Verde

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more colors :)


here is probably the best comparison... I just found this photo....



I even ran both of them in the same night... cleaned all exposed surfaces prior to second spray..
this was a hand vaccum pump purge... I exposed each to the same heats for the same time periods, and vacuum purged both for equal time, under the same pressure.... both with 4 *purges*..

The tangerine dream, again golden goodness... the trainwreck.... rich, dark, ambery gooeyness....


both taste equally as good, with their respective flavors (one hashy and one fruity)... none of them harsh.
 

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Matt Rize

Matt Rize

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Sr. Verde said:
after it's settled and ran through another vacuum purge... notice the color remains amber along the edges where the oil is spread thin..
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The edges are amber because its actually purged. Same goes for water extracts. Putting a viscous resin under vac does nothing to the interior of the resin. the only genetics ive seen put out dark bho are purps because the pigments are dissolved in the resin.
 
Sr. Verde

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Matt Rize said:
The edges are amber because its actually purged. Same goes for water extracts. Putting a viscous resin under vac does nothing to the interior of the resin. the only genetics ive seen put out dark bho are purps because the pigments are dissolved in the resin.
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The edges are amber because the oil isn't thick enough to absorb enough light to alter color
throw a dim cell phone light behind it and it looks like this



That whole slop turns into a huge ball about 8-12x normal size... reaches up about 6 inches into the air from the parchment paper... then once taken out of the vaccum the entire ball collapses into a puddle... so its all definitely vacuum purged ;)

It's also pretty stable stuff... Not watery like oil is when it has tane in it

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researchkitty

researchkitty

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The power butane in the blue can is good as any. What's the MSDS say as comparison to vector?

The picture you showed of what oil should look like -- mine looks EXACTLY like that. It IS shatter. Its just been re-warmed in a pan so I can drain it into the dish. Your looking at 24 grams of oil, which is why its black looking. Its a lot of f'n oil. :) :) :)
 
Sr. Verde

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i wonder what the most pure butane on the market is

i mean vector and colibri are really good but are they the best on the market?

I hear you can get pure n butane but I think you need a certain type of scientific canister and some type of place to sell it to you :?
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

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researchkitty said:
The power butane in the blue can is good as any. What's the MSDS say as comparison to vector?
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Okay, Im about to blow some ignorance out of the water right here.

You heard of "auto-buddering"? Right? You do realize "budder" bho is heavily contaminated with paraffin wax right? From these canned gas mixtures. That is why BHO turns to wax when whipped, its all about the paraffin wax contaminants. Right, so these cans are full of paraffin and its not on the MSDS at all. hmm....

Now, what do you think the difference between Power and Vector are? One costs about twice as much as the other and they come from the same company, the same factory in Korea. Hmmm Do a damn mirror test, then come back here and tell me that Power has twice as much contaminants as Vector. I won't hold it against you for being ignorant, if you go see for yourself what I am trying to teach you.

And you think they are the same quality? FAIL brah, facepalm. Wake the fuck up. Quit living in self delusions about what you do. You can be a cheap ass, but don't pretend Power is the same quality as Vector because its clearly not.

So... the MSDS doesn't even say what is these cans because THEY ARE NOT designed to be used for solvent extraction, but are designed to lubricate torches, what the cans of gases are actually for. You don't even know what you are smoking brah. You're tane looks gross. Step your game up.

Black BHO is gross, plain and simple. I'll take some pics of quality BHO later when Im back at the hash bar. Oxidation is no bueno man. BLACK = OXIDIZED
 
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