Starting Mephisto Form Stomper indoors, will move outdoors 1 May

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Thank you for the insight, but I did somewhat know that about the clay pots, honestly just from trial/error though. The clay ones you saw, were just half gallon starter pots though. I usually germinate in a papertowel, within a closed Tupperware container, on top of a super low heat pad that has a towel on it. I spritz every day with a spray bottle and then once I see a lil root coming out my seed, I throw the lil lady into a swollen up Jiffy Plug. Then I hit it plugs with two LED flood lightbulbs I have rigged up to a reflector. I check the cabinet every day, spritz as needed, and within a few days, I have me a sprout. Once I see a root or 2 coming from the bottom of the jiffy plug, hunting for water, that’s when I move up. The plugs go straight into the 1/2 gallon starter pots, full of Fox Farm Happy Frog. At last, when I have 3 good leaf sets, I transplant for the final time, into their 4 gallon plastic forever pots! Which are already full of Fox Farms Ocean Forest, with a bit of The Happy Frog mixed in on top (for transition). All the final pots have good drainage holes in the bottom of them, plus I tend to layer about an 1” or so of pea gravel on the bottom of each. All of my soils have about 25% perlite added to them the second I open the bag! Ha! I guess out of habit more than anything.

THAT SAID! These plants don’t get moved, ever. Only reason they’d come in, is if there’s a bad storm or for some other unforeseen reason beyond my control. They are def good and hardened, as they’ve been in 80-95+ degree temps, since they sprouted… basically. It gets awfully breezy out here on “Back River” as well, so they get plenty of wind “treatment” as well. Now don’t get me wrong, I did baby them a lil, during that first week after germ. But, I soon realized that this strain was going to do a-ok outdoors, if not thrive! They Seem to love the hot, super sunny, perfectly humid weather we’re having.

I’ve been wanting to get back into growin indoors for a while now. But to be honest, I’m tired of the zip up tent, that only holds 2 decent sized plants, just sitting in a spare bedroom. So I’ve come up with another idea, that’ll keep me going year around! I have a wooden shed, that i was planning on tearing down this summer. But After examining it? I think it’s exactly what I’m looking for and Is still in such great shape! It may end up needing a small hole here and there fixed, but nothing major. The foundation and frame are beyond solid. I believe I’m going to turn into a greenhouse and a multi grow room. It’s about 14ftX12ft and is framed like a house, with shingles and all. It has running electricity, access to a water hose, some shelves that are already in perfect position and most importantly… plenty of room! I believe I’ll build a wall halfway down it, leaving me with 7ft up front and a 7ft room(s) at the back. That back 7ft will be split in half, using another wall, to divide the 7’x12’ room - making two 7’x6’ rooms. Goal is to have A small door on both rooms, for access. Now, a friend of mine gave me two 400W High Bays, that they replaced out of a school gym. So, I have 2 complete 400w High Bays on stand by. The plan is to purchase a replacement 400W MH ballast for one; then get me a replacement 400W HPS ballast for the other. HPS and MH both use the same bulb socket, wiring, housing, etc. Just one or the other has an igniter, built in with the said ballast. Anyways, I’m thinking about making one of those rooms a veg room, with the MH - at 20/4 light cycle. Then the other room can be a flower room, with the HPS - at 12/12 light cycle. With us Virginians’ only being able to grow 4 PLANTS, I believe 400w will be more than enough for 4 girls, in 5 gallon buckets, sitting in a 7’x6’ room!!

My next outdoor grow, I’m for sure going to try the pots that the OP is using! Ingenious, if I don’t say so myself! I think the bag inside of the milk crate(s) is a freakin awesome idea. It has handles that can be grabbed, to move the girl, no matter the size of the plant. The soils’ “pot” has more than enough drainage, not to mention it probably makes watering a breeze too. And it gives me something to LST to while they’re growing. Thats the only training I do to an auto, normally I have to drill small holes around my pots, to tie string to! Haha!

SO…HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT FOR THE AIRPOTS, and WHAT SIZE ARE THEY?

On that note, did u know that McDonalds Nursery has an entire bin of just about every pot size you can imagine?! All for free?? It’s basically somewhere you can donate old pots, grab whatever you want, or better yet, swap out for what you need. They have a TON of the bigger barrel pots, used for small trees and such. When they’re sold, 99% of ppl just tell them to get rid of the pot the plant came in. Honestly, if I just had a 5 gallon bucket per plant, I’d be happy as hell, but even those are hard to come by atm. Maybe I’ll just get the airpots from you, depending on what we’re talking!

I’ve grown cannabis off and on, for roughly 20 years now. Grown plenty of indoor photos, quite a few autos indoors, quite a few photos outdoors (pots AND in the ground), but these are my first auto ladies outside. We don’t have a single tree in my entire 2 acres that my house sits on. I got a nice, raised deck that I keep the girls throughout the day, where they literally don’t miss a speck of sunlight. It’s perfect really; as we get an almost constant, nice draft of “cool” air coming off that marsh and the Chesapeake Bay.

My PH runoff readings are near perfect. Plus The plants seem very happy for the moment and are growing like crazy. So, my Feeding schedule is as follows: I plan to let the HF and now OF do it’s thing, trying not to add anything to it unless needed. I’m hoping the OF will carry me through veg and into preflowers… then I can start with bloom nutes when she shows her sex. That said, I do have some Happy Frog All Purpose fertilizer that I’ll scratch in, if deficiencies start to show. I do add half strength of Big Bloom every cpl of weeks, now that they’re in their forever homes!
The airpots are yours if ya want them, they are the ones with the yellow bottoms which I recall are 9 liters. I grew some hefty plants when I was using them. Ya do have to water a bit more often since they air prune the roots and breathe pretty well. If ya want them we can PM here to arrange a drop off. I’m not gonna use them again so will be good to see them go back in use. The top row of perforations are great for LST with pipe cleaners - train the branches from the first and second node to go horizontal to the edge of the pot and cinch them down…

we’ve had just some freakin awesome weather lately for sure! My plants are indoors now until harvest this weekend and they are loving all the side lighting and just sweating out the tricromes! Sounds like you are blessed with an ideal spot for your grow, with a view probably no less!

I’ve been happy with the whole Fox Farms product line from soil to nutes, and I’ve used most of everything they make so sounds like ya got that covered too…

drop me a PM if ya want the pots and we’ll arrange a drop off…

 

shotnva777

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The airpots are yours if ya want them, they are the ones with the yellow bottoms which I recall are 9 liters. I grew some hefty plants when I was using them. Ya do have to water a bit more often since they air prune the roots and breathe pretty well. If ya want them we can PM here to arrange a drop off. I’m not gonna use them again so will be good to see them go back in use. The top row of perforations are great for LST with pipe cleaners - train the branches from the first and second node to go horizontal to the edge of the pot and cinch them down…

we’ve had just some freakin awesome weather lately for sure! My plants are indoors now until harvest this weekend and they are loving all the side lighting and just sweating out the tricromes! Sounds like you are blessed with an ideal spot for your grow, with a view probably no less!

I’ve been happy with the whole Fox Farms product line from soil to nutes, and I’ve used most of everything they make so sounds like ya got that covered too…

drop me a PM if ya want the pots and we’ll arrange a drop off…

PM’d pal, thank u!
 

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Chop day tomorrow! No clear tricromes left around 10% amber. They are having a tough time keeping the bigger branches in the air which is fine, I have them laid out as flat as I can

they are stinking up the place and I don’t care…

these are in the downstairs enclosure.

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And, these are upstairs…

they are spending their last day on 6.4 water and inside; I was dragging them back and forth to the patio, but that got to be a pain in the ass. The morning routine was okay, but putting them back at sunset destroyed the rest of the day for me. Next grow will stay inside until they outgrow the enclosure then outside for good…

pretty happy with how these grew; I let the main stalk go without any LST, and got the lowers out into the light for a pretty full canopy. lots of airflow thru the whole plant and great exposure to light all the way down and through…

I’ll try something different on the next grow…haven’t grown the same size/style twice, yet…

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Great job bud, I'm just glad it's you trimming tomorrow and not me. They really finished out nice. I still have to do my dry trim and jar in a few days but it shouldn't be too bad and the trim is super frosty. I'm struggling to keep my temps below 70 this time in the drying room which is unusual. Usually it's about 66. Humidity has been spot on though so it's going well. Hope you have an easy time with your chop.
 

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Thanks, should be an easy trim and I have an ergonomic trimming tray to help…

hope ya can beat the temp issue…if you were any closer you’d be a featured guest in the Cannatrol! I’ll take some better shots tonite - graduation photos…
 

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The Cannatrol hit the target temp (68 degree) and dew point (54 degrees) after 2 days; 2 more days of dry then 4 days of cure and then I’m gonna let them sit on the hold cycle for a couple days. I put a bit more in the cabinet than they recommend, so I’ve been rotating the shelves to even out the airflow (the fan is on the bottom). Once it transitions to the cure cycle I’ll reposition all the bigger buds to avoid flat spots, and open up the airflow even more.

it’ll be running again soon afterwards with the harvest from a buddy‘s grow (Pink Panama) and then Bubba Trouble growing at the GF house. This is the best investment I’ve made in this hobby - set it and forget it…

I put 74 oz wet in the cabinet, and predict/hope I’ll get 14 oz dry. The main/central colas were huge and dense…we meticulously trimmed them from the bottom up and clipped off all the individual flowers that had grown together to form the colas. Did the same with the other colas - trimmed individual flowers away from the bottom up which left the skeleton frame of the trimmed plants. End result is the buds are all at final storage size vs big honking colas that would have to be bucked down after the dry/cure. This will be my trim method from now on. It took longer, but I’m not putting any energy in the Cannatrol drying out thick stems that were just gonna get tossed anyway.

now that I don’t have to fret over temp and humidity on the dry/cure of this harvest, I can focus on what I’ll grow next…probably Mephisto 3 Bears OG at the GFs and Mephisto Mango Smile or Strawberry Nuggets here. I hope to be done with those by mid-Sep before the colder nights arrive and pose problems with bud rot and bugs and critters.




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shotnva777

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The Cannatrol hit the target temp (68 degree) and dew point (54 degrees) after 2 days; 2 more days of dry then 4 days of cure and then I’m gonna let them sit on the hold cycle for a couple days. I put a bit more in the cabinet than they recommend, so I’ve been rotating the shelves to even out the airflow (the fan is on the bottom). Once it transitions to the cure cycle I’ll reposition all the bigger buds to avoid flat spots, and open up the airflow even more.

it’ll be running again soon afterwards with the harvest from a buddy‘s grow (Pink Panama) and then Bubba Trouble growing at the GF house. This is the best investment I’ve made in this hobby - set it and forget it…

I put 74 oz wet in the cabinet, and predict/hope I’ll get 14 oz dry. The main/central colas were huge and dense…we meticulously trimmed them from the bottom up and clipped off all the individual flowers that had grown together to form the colas. Did the same with the other colas - trimmed individual flowers away from the bottom up which left the skeleton frame of the trimmed plants. End result is the buds are all at final storage size vs big honking colas that would have to be bucked down after the dry/cure. This will be my trim method from now on. It took longer, but I’m not putting any energy in the Cannatrol drying out thick stems that were just gonna get tossed anyway.

now that I don’t have to fret over temp and humidity on the dry/cure of this harvest, I can focus on what I’ll grow next…probably Mephisto 3 Bears OG at the GFs and Mephisto Mango Smile or Strawberry Nuggets here. I hope to be done with those by mid-Sep before the colder nights arrive and pose problems with bud rot and bugs and critters.




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Man! I may have to link up with you to use this drying machine I see you have, break u off something! Lol. My girls are doing really well in the Airpots, started LST on 2 of them a cpl days ago. 3 females so far, who all started receiving diluted nutes yesterday…. and then my lil runt, that doesn’t seem to want to get going (it’ll probably end up being a monster at this grow rate!). Thanks again for everything!
*Picture - from left to right - Gelato Auto #1, Gelato Auto #2, Zkittles Auto, and some Brother Mendel Auto. As far as I can tell!*
 

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NFTG grower here. It’s a fun line to run. There’s a master thread on it which will take you a few weeks to read. Great info as nectar is a unique line to run. Keep away from the bloom khaos until you understand how it affects your plant. You can kill your plants really fast with the BK. You will also get a lot of wrong advice from people when you bring out the BK if they aren’t familiar with nectar and how they will express deficiencies.
 

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Man! I may have to link up with you to use this drying machine I see you have, break u off something! Lol. My girls are doing really well in the Airpots, started LST on 2 of them a cpl days ago. 3 females so far, who all started receiving diluted nutes yesterday…. and then my lil runt, that doesn’t seem to want to get going (it’ll probably end up being a monster at this grow rate!). Thanks again for everything!
*Picture - from left to right - Gelato Auto #1, Gelato Auto #2, Zkittles Auto, and some Brother Mendel Auto. As far as I can tell!*
Glad they are working out for you - they’ll need more frequent watering since the roots grow to the edge and air prune themselves, and the soil will dry out quickly. I’m pulling for the runt to catch up!
 

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NFTG grower here. It’s a fun line to run. There’s a master thread on it which will take you a few weeks to read. Great info as nectar is a unique line to run. Keep away from the bloom khaos until you understand how it affects your plant. You can kill your plants really fast with the BK. You will also get a lot of wrong advice from people when you bring out the BK if they aren’t familiar with nectar and how they will express deficiencies.
Thanks - i printed out the Unofficial NFTG Growers’ Bible and read thru it pretty frequently. thanks also for the tip on BK; still collecting data on that. I gave my plants a small dose (25% of recommended) for the plants’ final run toward harvest and think it helped…
 

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Thanks - i printed out the Unofficial NFTG Growers’ Bible and read thru it pretty frequently. thanks also for the tip on BK; still collecting data on that. I gave my plants a small dose (25% of recommended) for the plants’ final run toward harvest and think it helped…
I believe the most current edition is 5.2 for the Bible.

good rule of thumb for BK is load up your plants with lots of calcium before you use it. Once you do introduce it to your feed, keep it at a ratio of 1:6.For every 1 part of BK add 6 parts of Herculean harvest.

the example a lot of people use for BK is that it’s the throttle. Gotta make sure you have enough gas in the tank before you floor it.
 

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Just made the switch over to the cure settings; 4 days at 68 degrees and dew point of 52 degrees; weight is down to 15.7 oz.

I emptied the spent water tray 4 times during the dry cycle, and have not in the last day, so I think the moisture extraction is nearly complete; smell is still a bit on the cut hay side so there is still some chlorophyll to off gas during the cure cycle.

they held probably a good deal of their volume, and are looking frosty…

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“Shake a leg Morty, they are catching up on us…”

I put a good layer of hash in my joints…you know when ya hit that point. The burn slows down, the paper sweats, and you start looking for a soft spot to land. The hash here is from my last bubble bag run. I’m just about out of that…time for another run…





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Switched from the cure cycle to hold yesterday, I’ll let them sit on hold another day or two.

I’ll put it all in CVaults, burp them twice a day (so much easier than handling multiple mason jars) for a week or so then let them sit…I’m sitting here 15 feet away from it and it is starting to reek with the door closed, and the fan/filtration system working…

14.9 oz after 4 day dry, 4 day cure, and 1 day of hold. Initial wet weight was 74 oz…I’ll let someone else figure out the math…

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Just to close this one out…here are the “root-cubes” I got. The square bags and milk crates proved to be great-the root structure reached the perimeter of the pots, side to side and top to bottom. In the foreground is what was left after I vigorously shook the shit 0D04511B-A728-41F2-AFB1-C2948EA8D161.jpegout of one. All that prime dirt went around flowers in my neighbor’s yard. The other 3 get used here. This is why my flowers Often grow 4 feet tall.

waste not, want not…
 

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Smoke report; ran some thru the vaporizer to get a better sense of taste and it is awesome. The Cannatrol literature claims that the dry/cure cycle creates a shellack around the buds that locks in the terpenes. The smell from the CVault has just a small hint of cut hay left, and a moderate pungency. If ya grind up a bud though, the smell is overpowering…no other way to describe it other than strong BO - like a week without a shower and working in the yard every day. I’d say the terps are locked in…

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