Veganics Cheat sheet

Discussion in 'Organics' started by malignant, Apr 4, 2012.


    malignant Well-Known Member

    There is a line of veganic nutrients, its called BioCanna, kyle kushman is supposed to be working on a line through one of the major distributors that will be all veganic.

    Here are the pertinent posts and formulas for the veganic growers quick reference. there is a lot of information on here, so be mindful when skimming.

    There isnt an faq as of yet couldn't figure out what to put, if anyone else wants to do one pm me, and well get it posted and you credited.

    Happy hunting:
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    Nature’s Plant Protector
    Bill Sutherland from Growing Edge Technologies discusses neem oil and how it can form an important part of your indoor garden pest control program.
    Neem oil is a natural product derived from the seeds of the neem tree (Azadirachta indica). The neem tree is native to tropical and semi-tropical regions of South Asia but also grows in the Middle East and some parts of Africa. Most of the widespread cultivation and use of neem is in India, where it has been used for over two thousand years as a medicinal treatment for a plethora of ailments and disorders. The neem tree is an evergreen, which grows to around 60 ft (18 m) and produces white aromatic flowers followed by a small fruit that looks much like a large olive. Inside the fruit lies the payload; one large seed from which the oil is extracted by either cold pressing or solvent extraction. A by-product of neem oil extraction is a solid dried product called ‘neem cake’, which can be used as an organic fertilizer as well as a good method of controlling soil-dwelling pests. Here we will focus on the properties, uses and advantages of neem oil when used as a natural pest control agent for your homegrown fruits and flowers.
    Please note: Neem oil products are not currently registered for use as a pesticide in Canada.
    What does neem oil do?
    This may sound disappointing, but it needs to be said: neem is not an insecticide that kills on contact, and it has a low instant ‘knock down’ effect. However, it is still very effective! Unlike other chemical insecticides, neem oil gets into an insect’s body after the ingestion of neem coated plant material and gets to work within a few hours. The predominant active component in neem oil is called azadirachtin, and once in a pest’s body it directly affects the hormonal system, more so than the digestive or nervous system. The way in which azadirachtin targets the hormonal system means that insects are far less likely to develop resistance in future generations. As well as azadirachtin, other liminoid compounds present in natural neem oil (nimbin, salanin, gedunin, azadirone, melandriol and more) play a significant collaborative role in deterring feeding and reducing pest populations.
    Biological Effects of Neem Oil on Insects
    Historical use and recent research studies show that a broad range of phytophagous (plant eating) pest insects are affected and can be controlled by neem oil, these include:
    · Orthoptera: grasshoppers, katydids, crickets etc.
    · Coleoptera: wide range of beetles/weevils
    · Hemiptera: leafhoppers, aphids, psyllids & some scale insects
    · Lepidoptera: cutworms, borers & caterpillars
    · Thysanoptera: thrips
    · Diptera: Sciarid fly, fruit fly, buffalo/blow & march fly
    · Heteroptera: sucking bugs – Green veggie bug, spotted fruit bug etc.
    · Others: nematodes, snails, and also some fungi and pathogenic viruses

    1. Insect Growth Regulation
    Neem oil is unique in nature since it works on juvenile hormones. The insect larva feeds and when it grows, it sheds its old skin and continues growing. This molting phenomenon, also know as ecdysis, is predominantly governed by the enzyme ecdysone. When the ingested neem, or more specifically azadirachtin, enters into the body of larva, the activity of ecdysone is suppressed. This causes molting failure and results in the larva not developing to the next life stage, and ultimately dying. If only a small amount of neem-coated foliage is ingested, and the concentration of azadirachtin is insufficient to cause molting failure, the larva will manage to enter a short-lived prepupal stage where it will die. In some instances, where the concentration of azadirachtin is still less, the adult emerging from the pupa will be malformed and sterile, without any capacity for reproduction.
    2. Feeding Deterrent
    One of most important properties of neem oil is feeding deterrence. Most insects are permanently hungry during their larval stages, particularly when they are mobile on the leaf surface. An insect’s maxillary gland is responsible for initiating feeding. When these glands give a signal, peristalsis in the alimentary canal is increased, which makes the larva feel hungry, and makes it start eating. When a leaf is treated with neem oil, the presence of the liminoids azadirachtin, salanin and melandriol produces an anti-peristaltic wave in an insect’s alimentary canal, producing something similar to a vomiting sensation combined with a reduced ability to swallow. Because of this sensation, an insect will avoid feeding on neem-treated leaf surfaces.
    3. Oviposition Deterrent
    Another way in which neem oil reduces pests is by not allowing the females to deposit eggs. This property is known as oviposition deterrence, and quickly thwarts the pest population growth. Interestingly, studies by Knapp & Kashenge (Insect Sci. Applic.2003) on spider mites, and Singh & Singh (Phytoparasitica, 199[​IMG] on fruit flies have shown that natural neem oil formulations are more effective as oviposition deterrents and insect mortality than azadirachtin concentrates alone. Results from Knapp’s & Kashenge’s study showed that azadirachtin does not seem to play a major role in the control of spider mites. Although, azadirachtin is an important component of neem oil, the other less studied ingredients seem to have a positive synergistic effect when it comes to effecting the behavior, effectiveness and mortality of plant pests.
    Neem Oil’s Effect on Non-Target Species and Beneficial Insects
    One of the problems with the use of chemical pesticides has been their impact on non-target species, particularly when used outdoors. Often they have proved harmful to other beneficial species present in the ecosystem. Neem oil products have proved to be remarkably benign to insects such as adult bees and butterflies that pollinate crops and trees, ladybugs that consume aphids, and wasps that act as parasites on various crop pests. As mentioned above, neem oil has to be ingested to be effective. Those insects that feed on plant tissues, therefore, easily succumb. However natural enemies that feed only on other insects, and bees and butterflies that feed on nectar rarely come in contact with significant concentrations of neem oil to cause themselves harm.
    Neem Oil’s Other Benefits as a Foliar Spray
    Beside its insecticidal and nematicidal properties, neem oil is also a promising agent for the control of viral and fungal plant diseases. Neem oil in combination with paraffin oil has been shown to greatly reduce disease incidences of the yellow vein mosaic virus of okra and legumes, and leaf curl of chili, all of which can cause enormous losses. Neem oil has also been shown to reduce transmission of the tobacco mosaic virus in greenhouse vegetable crops of pepper, cucumber and tomato.
    Neem oil has been demonstrated to suppress fungal activity. Fungi are constantly evolving enemies of growers and some can reach epidemic proportions. Neem oil has been shown to protect seeds against fungal diseases while in storage, and be beneficial as a preventative spray for fungal leaf diseases such as powdery and downy mildew.
    Neem oil also contains some key nutrients that make it a good foliar fertilizer. A typical good quality neem oil product found in your local grow store will contain the following plant nutrients:

    · Total Nitrogen 1.20% by mass
    · Phosphorus as P 0.07% by mass
    · Potassium as K 0.01% by mass
    · Magnesium as Mg 0.03% by mass
    · Copper as Cu 10 ppm
    · Magnesium, as Mn 0.40 ppm
    · Zinc as Zn 20.00 ppm
    · Iron content 14.00 ppm

    So, not only will regular spraying of neem oil onto your plant foliage control pests, it will also help prevent diseases and act as a foliage fertilizer! Amazing stuff.
    How to Use Natural Cold-Pressed Neem Oil:
    Foliar Spraying
    Like most of the vegetable oils, natural cold-pressed Neem oil is non-soluble in water and has to be made soluble with suitable emulsifiers before spraying. Some commonly available emulsifiers that can be used are liquid soaps, eco-friendly detergents, surfactants, wetting agents, soap nut powder, and many other organic emulsifiers.

    17. Collect together your equipment.
    18. To make 10 liters of spray-able neem, pour 1 liter of water into a container, add 10–15 ml of liquid soap, or a suitable emulsifier, and agitate well until the soap/emulsifiers completely dissolve.
    19. To this solution add 50 ml of neem oil and agitate well until a pale yellowish white emulsion is formed.
    20. Add this prepared emulsion to 9 liters of water in a bucket and stir thoroughly. The neem solution is now ready for spraying.

    Spraying should be done within 8 hours of mixing, using a suitable sprayer. This solution can be used as a foliar spray on crops, and also can be sprayed on the surface of growing media for effective action against root pests.
    It is recommended to repeat the spraying 5 times at intervals of 7 to 10 days. Spraying should be undertaken during periods of low light intensity; outdoors or in greenhouses this should be in the early morning or late in the evening. If you grow under lights, raise them high and consider turning a few off to reduce light intensity before spraying.
    Soil Drench

    · To make 10 liters of drench-able neem. Add 1 liter of water to a container. Add 20–30 ml of liquid soap, or suitable emulsifier, and agitate well until the soap/emulsifiers completely dissolve.
    · To this solution add 250–350 ml of neem oil and agitate well until a pale yellowish white emulsion is formed.
    · Add this prepared emulsion to 9 liters of water in a bucket and stir thoroughly. The neem solution is now ready to pour onto the growing medium. Apply enough for a small amount of run-off to occur.

    Please Note: Drenching potting soil with neem will adversely affect the beneficial biology of the rhizosphere. If you need to drench the root zone with neem, a follow up application with a good quality actively aerated compost tea will help to re-inoculate the beneficial bacteria, fungi and protozoa.
    Neem Oil’s Effect on Plants
    Neem oil not only coats the plant foliage after spraying, it is actually absorbed into the leaf material and can be transported around the plant systemically. Neem’s liminoid compounds (mainly azadirachtin) can be taken up by the roots after root zone applications, thereby reaching leaf and stem material throughout the whole plant. This reinforces the anti-feeding deterrent properties or neem oil, which makes the whole plant rather unappealing to invading pests.
    Due to this persistence in the plant, neem oil products should not be used on plants that are approaching maturity. As a general rule, avoid spraying or soil drenching neem oil on plants that have five weeks left before harvest. As mentioned above, neem products have been used topically and ingested for medicinal use by humans for thousands of years and are completely non-toxic. However, neem has a very bitter taste that can, if used too late in a plant’s life cycle, be passed into the developing consumable produce.
    Summary of the Advantages of Neem Oil

    24. Broad spectrum of activity
    25. No known insecticide resistance mechanisms
    26. Compatible with many other insecticides and fungicides
    27. New mode of action with possible multiple sites of attack
    28. Low use rates
    29. Compatible with other biological control agents for Integrated Pest Management programs.
    30. Not persistent in the environment
    31. Minimal impact on non-target organisms
    32. Formulation flexibility
    33. Application flexibility — can be sprayed or drenched


    malignant Well-Known Member

    I will be working on further cleaning up the thread and improving readability. If anyone wants to do an faq feel free to post it. I will do a cliffs notes and replace this post when everything is finished. just wanted to get something up for you guys in the interim. If anyone else has anything to add, this is a thread for information only, no discussions, no questions, it is for reference purposes only. dont be offended if an unnecessary post gets deleted.

    if you have any questions about veganic growing please ask them here:
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    purplesour Member

    awesome that helped me out tons

    VTMi'kmaq Well-Known Member

    In total awe..........thank mother nature that someone has been awesome enough to bless us with this plethora of valuable info. If ya dont know now ya know!

    SeniorFrostyKush Active Member

    No offense or nothin cus its cool that you took the time to do this but..... you only covered about .001% of the valueble information in the thread. if you do add more to this, I would add a whole fuck load more info lol, along with all Q/A 's and all the back and forth banter that contains relavent information. it's kinda hard to sum up 225 pages in 1.

    farmit420 Member

    Good thread bro!

    budzrus Active Member

    wow that is one hell of a read. I will have to reread it as the info is great. Thanks a lot man.
  8. Member

    Wow, this is beautiful! I had no idea that there was such a sweet guide for growing!
    My brother and I have been trying out our own recipes, I guess we should've researched a bit better...

    Thanks for sharing, I'm gonna implement some of this into our next grow and document it...
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    Astral Zoom Active Member

    wow tremendous help

    RedRick Active Member

    Wow, that is a lot to take in. Great information, much appreciated.

    Sincerely420 New Member

    Awesome post! EXTRA informative! Everything you need to get started w/ organics is pretty much in the above!
    Ain't nothin' .001% of nothing. Everything you need to get started is here. Just take the time to ingest it all :joint:

    And I'm down to help out with whatever questions I can as well! Got a lot to learn yeahhh, but I think I'm moving along!

    SeniorFrostyKush Active Member

    The .001% I was talking about, was in reference to Matt Rize's Veganic thread, which is what this cheat sheet was created to sum up. While alot of the articles Matt posted about advanced veganic gardening and making your own nutes, supplements, and teas were covered, the vast majority of the general and intermediate information on veganic gardening are no where to be seen. Again props on the thread bro, all I was trying to say was that there should have probably been a little bit more rudamentary info listed.
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    waktoo Active Member

    Gil Carandang has updated his website... natural farming techniques. It has recipes for making various natural/plant concoctions for gardening/farming. I've got a slew of different IMO/BIM and FPE's in the works right now. Waiting for spring to get here... hope some find this of some use.

    armydude420 New Member

    hey im using general organics nute line which says is veganic any comments on that line that might help me out

    Calyx541 New Member

    FACT: Plants are supposed to consume and process animal waste. It is how our ecosystem is designed. This whole veganics thing is just a hipster fad IMHO.
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    st0wandgrow Well-Known Member

    That's not a "FACT". Plants can and do uptake animal waste, but most plants in the wild derive their sustenance from leaf litter and other dead/decaying plant matter.

    DonTesla Well-Known Member

    Stowys a quiet assassin, always in the shadows, lurking like a cougar, alongside truth! the animal kingdoms and plant kingdoms are only as efficient as they are cause of the bug and microbe kingdoms, ay mon? we just think we run it all !
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    Julius Caesar

    Julius Caesar Active Member

    Tofu marijuana. Ha.

    malignant Well-Known Member

    Why dont you?
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