Stuff that doesn't really fit in either "Examples of" thread....

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
Not much I suspect, Kevin needs an out and Joe is providing it for him. You will know by how many democrats vote for the debt ceiling they only need 5 votes to pass it and that is more than Kevin can get from his republican majority. Joe can pull the pin on the 14th and end this bullshit once and for all and to pass anything in the house Kevin needs democratic votes. Joe and the democrats are holding all the cards here, even if it looks like Kevin has an advantage, he does not and knows he will be blamed for crashing the global economy because he wants to fuck the poor and middle-class people of America for yet another tax cut for the super-rich. You can't blame him really since 40% of the voters are perfectly willing to fuck themselves or are too fucking stupid to know what they are doing.
Anything unilateral that Biden can do has major, unpleasant consequences of it's own.
The voting populace seems to blame Biden for everything that goes wrong in America, even if it's something Biden warned them about himself...If the republicans force us into a default, at least half the country will blame Biden for it.
The best thing he and the democrats can do is stand hard against them, and take whatever measures are absolutely necessary to keep the country solvent, and not one thing more...
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
They need to be able to fire and even charge cops with being "chicken shits", this is fucking ridiculous and reflects a lack of courage, skill and intelligence. Why didn't they just empty their guns into her FFS, since they were obviously scared for their lives by a frail old lady with dementia using a walker to get around with. Fired on the fucking spot and publicly humiliated for cowardice, courage is a basic job requirement for a cop, and could you expect such a person to go into a classroom to confront a mass murderer killing kids?

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DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Anything unilateral that Biden can do has major, unpleasant consequences of it's own.
The voting populace seems to blame Biden for everything that goes wrong in America, even if it's something Biden warned them about himself...If the republicans force us into a default, at least half the country will blame Biden for it.
The best thing he and the democrats can do is stand hard against them, and take whatever measures are absolutely necessary to keep the country solvent, and not one thing more...
The democrats in the house have a say in all this and Kevin needs their votes for anything remotely acceptable to pass. Joe will make a fuzzy enough promise that will allow Kevin to save face, they all know it is bullshit theater. The super rich and banks would be hammered by a default and the republicans serve them first. The base are just fools and suckers and they are treated as such, like keeping a pet alligator they throw it some read meat on occasion, but it mostly subsists on bullshit.
 

printer

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Whaaaat?

In a shift, Saudi Arabia to 'welcome' LGBTQ tourists
LGBTQ tourists can now visit Saudi Arabia, according to the kingdom's official tourism site. The shift follows a series of social and economic changes that the kingdom has made in recent years. Homosexuality, however, remains illegal in the country, though these laws are not always enforced.

The Saudi Tourism Authority’s website visitsaudi.com has an updated section under its Frequently Asked Questions page stating “Are LGBT visitors welcome to visit Saudi Arabia?” The answer to the question reads as follows:

“We don’t ask anyone to disclose personal details and never have. Everyone is welcome to visit our country.”


Background: Like most Muslim-majority countries in the Middle East, same-sex relationships are prohibited by law in Saudi Arabia. This is due to the conservative culture and traditional interpretation of Islamic law, Sharia, which forbids homosexuality. Same-sex relationships are punishable by death or flogging in Saudi Arabia.

But Saudi laws against homosexuality are inconsistently enforced in the kingdom.

“There were no known prosecutions for same-sex relations during the year,” read the US State Department’s 2022 report on human rights.

It is difficult to determine how much repression the LGBTQ community faces in Saudi Arabia, according to the London-based Human Dignity Trust, which tracks anti-LGBTQ laws around the world.

“Societal stigma and the absence of LGBT organizations limits reporting of discrimination,” read the organization’s page on Saudi Arabia.

Saudi authorities have targeted purported LGBTQ activity in some ways recently. Last June, Saudi officials claimed that rainbow-colored toys were “promoting homosexuality.”

Why it matters: Saudi Arabia’s tourism site declaring LGBTQ people “welcome” is in line with the massive social changes that have taken place in the kingdom in recent years. In 2018, Saudi Arabia lifted its ban on women driving. However, several activists campaigning for a woman’s right to drive were arrested shortly before the decision.

The same year, Saudi Arabia announced women would no longer be required to wear an abaya — a long article of clothing that covers the body from head to toe.

In 2021, Pure Beach opened in Jeddah on the Red Sea, becoming the first beach in Saudi Arabia where women can wear bikinis.

Some traditional restrictions remain in place in Saudi Arabia, such as the ban on alcohol.

The treatment of LGBTQ people in Saudi Arabia has harmed the kingdom’s international image. For example, American golfer Phil Mickelson, who plays for the Saudi-backed LIV Golf tour, called Saudi people “scary” last year, claiming they "execute people over there for being gay.” The comments elicited a strong backlash and prompted Mickelson to apologize.

Know more: Unmarried couples are also “welcome” to visit Saudi Arabia, according to the tourism website.

“Everyone is welcome to visit Saudi Arabia and unmarried couples are able to share accommodation … it is important to respect local customs and act in a culturally sensitive manner when in public,” read the site.

Saudi law prohibits men and women from living together unless they are “mahram,” an Arabic-language term referring to close family members or spouses. However, in 2019, Saudi Arabia decided to allow unmarried foreign couples to share hotel rooms.

The law concerning this matter received media attention in January due to Portuguese soccer star Cristiano Ronaldo moving to Saudi Arabia to play for the Al Nassr Football Club. Ronaldo has lived with his girlfriend, Georgina Rodriguez, to whom he is not married. Saudi lawyers told the Spanish news outlet EFE at the time that authorities have been turning a blind eye to unmarried foreigners living together.

Hotels in other parts of the Middle East also regularly allow foreign couples to stay in the same room without proof of marriage. Locals and citizens of Muslim-majority countries, however, often need to show a marriage certificate in such situations.
https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2023/05/shift-saudi-arabia-welcome-lgbtq-tourists#ixzz82Cyl1Gx1
 

CunningCanuk

Well-Known Member
Whaaaat?

In a shift, Saudi Arabia to 'welcome' LGBTQ tourists
LGBTQ tourists can now visit Saudi Arabia, according to the kingdom's official tourism site. The shift follows a series of social and economic changes that the kingdom has made in recent years. Homosexuality, however, remains illegal in the country, though these laws are not always enforced.

The Saudi Tourism Authority’s website visitsaudi.com has an updated section under its Frequently Asked Questions page stating “Are LGBT visitors welcome to visit Saudi Arabia?” The answer to the question reads as follows:

“We don’t ask anyone to disclose personal details and never have. Everyone is welcome to visit our country.”


Background: Like most Muslim-majority countries in the Middle East, same-sex relationships are prohibited by law in Saudi Arabia. This is due to the conservative culture and traditional interpretation of Islamic law, Sharia, which forbids homosexuality. Same-sex relationships are punishable by death or flogging in Saudi Arabia.

But Saudi laws against homosexuality are inconsistently enforced in the kingdom.

“There were no known prosecutions for same-sex relations during the year,” read the US State Department’s 2022 report on human rights.

It is difficult to determine how much repression the LGBTQ community faces in Saudi Arabia, according to the London-based Human Dignity Trust, which tracks anti-LGBTQ laws around the world.

“Societal stigma and the absence of LGBT organizations limits reporting of discrimination,” read the organization’s page on Saudi Arabia.

Saudi authorities have targeted purported LGBTQ activity in some ways recently. Last June, Saudi officials claimed that rainbow-colored toys were “promoting homosexuality.”

Why it matters: Saudi Arabia’s tourism site declaring LGBTQ people “welcome” is in line with the massive social changes that have taken place in the kingdom in recent years. In 2018, Saudi Arabia lifted its ban on women driving. However, several activists campaigning for a woman’s right to drive were arrested shortly before the decision.

The same year, Saudi Arabia announced women would no longer be required to wear an abaya — a long article of clothing that covers the body from head to toe.

In 2021, Pure Beach opened in Jeddah on the Red Sea, becoming the first beach in Saudi Arabia where women can wear bikinis.

Some traditional restrictions remain in place in Saudi Arabia, such as the ban on alcohol.

The treatment of LGBTQ people in Saudi Arabia has harmed the kingdom’s international image. For example, American golfer Phil Mickelson, who plays for the Saudi-backed LIV Golf tour, called Saudi people “scary” last year, claiming they "execute people over there for being gay.” The comments elicited a strong backlash and prompted Mickelson to apologize.

Know more: Unmarried couples are also “welcome” to visit Saudi Arabia, according to the tourism website.

“Everyone is welcome to visit Saudi Arabia and unmarried couples are able to share accommodation … it is important to respect local customs and act in a culturally sensitive manner when in public,” read the site.

Saudi law prohibits men and women from living together unless they are “mahram,” an Arabic-language term referring to close family members or spouses. However, in 2019, Saudi Arabia decided to allow unmarried foreign couples to share hotel rooms.

The law concerning this matter received media attention in January due to Portuguese soccer star Cristiano Ronaldo moving to Saudi Arabia to play for the Al Nassr Football Club. Ronaldo has lived with his girlfriend, Georgina Rodriguez, to whom he is not married. Saudi lawyers told the Spanish news outlet EFE at the time that authorities have been turning a blind eye to unmarried foreigners living together.

Hotels in other parts of the Middle East also regularly allow foreign couples to stay in the same room without proof of marriage. Locals and citizens of Muslim-majority countries, however, often need to show a marriage certificate in such situations.
https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2023/05/shift-saudi-arabia-welcome-lgbtq-tourists#ixzz82Cyl1Gx1
 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
I haven't been a huge fan of using the 14th amendment to side step the republicans, but it appears there may not be an alternative, except allowing the country to go into default, which will certainly have catastrophic results for America, and most likely for the entire world.

https://newrepublic.com/article/172878/republicans-debt-ceiling-trap

republicans can't seem to grasp the concept that they're committing terrorist acts, holding the economy of the country and the world hostage to their unreasonable, harmful, stupid demands. They cannot win, one way or another. It's either default, Print the coin, or some other equally unpalatable solution that isn't really a solution, because the republicans refuse to negotiate in good faith, with reasonable demands.
I'd rather plunge the world into unfettered disarray, and crash the global markets than give the republicans a single thing they have demanded.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I haven't been a huge fan of using the 14th amendment to side step the republicans, but it appears there may not be an alternative, except allowing the country to go into default, which will certainly have catastrophic results for America, and most likely for the entire world.

https://newrepublic.com/article/172878/republicans-debt-ceiling-trap

republicans can't seem to grasp the concept that they're committing terrorist acts, holding the economy of the country and the world hostage to their unreasonable, harmful, stupid demands. They cannot win, one way or another. It's either default, Print the coin, or some other equally unpalatable solution that isn't really a solution, because the republicans refuse to negotiate in good faith, with reasonable demands.
I'd rather plunge the world into unfettered disarray, and crash the global markets than give the republicans a single thing they have demanded.
MosCarthy knows that this confrontation will make or break him.

Darkest Brandon:

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DIY-HP-LED

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“I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. These two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death”― George Carlin
Christianity is still the dominant faith in America. But it is losing its grip on the population — even though only 7% of Americans say they are atheists. There has been a significant increase in the percentage of Americans who describe themselves as spiritual but not religious — from 18.5% in 1998 to 33% in 2020. Notably, against this increasing rejection of religion, four in five Americans (81%) still believe in an afterlife.
Organized religion in America has been losing adherents. From 2007 to 2020, the number of self-identified Christians declined from 78% to 63% — while the number of religious ‘nones’ increased from 16% to 29% Catholicism has taken a haircut, while Protestantism has been the biggest loser.
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Conservative evangelicals may promote expedient nonsense about the Founders establishing the nascent nation as a Christian enterprise. However, contemporary Americans increasingly embrace a laissez-faire “you be you” social philosophy — which is America's true founding belief.
This philosophy of liberty is inconvenient for political pastors who see their brand of hate and superstition as the road to social control and secular influence. To keep hold of the reins of power, they appeal to the atavistic fears of the lizard brain with an ever-increasing enemies list.
As the total number of congregations shrinks — Protestantism experienced a net loss of 1,500 churches in 2019 alone — the future lies in non-denominational mega-churches led by cynical multimillionaires distracting the faithful from their greed with warnings of imaginary barbarians at the gate. Or justifying their avarice with paeans to cupidity’s wet dream, the Prosperity Gospel.
When pollsters asked people why they had left their previous religion, a majority (56%) said it was because they stopped believing in that religion’s teachings. For 30%, it was their religion’s anti-LGBTQ bigotry. And 17% left because their church became too political. (Note people who left a religion include those who adopted another religion.)
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The Covid pandemic caused a temporary and long-term decline in religious observance as the pandemic forced church closures. Why? I will let Scott McConnell, executive director at Lifeway Research (an evangelical research company) explain.
“The closures, even for a temporary period of time, impacted a lot of churches. People breaking that habit of attending church means a lot of churches had to work hard to get people back to attending again.”
This honest appraisal exposes both a strength and a weakness in organized religion. It has addictive qualities — for instance, the force of habit, superstition, and routine. If they do not consume it for a while, religion's hold on some individuals dissolves.
Stephen Bullivant, author of “Nonverts: The Making of Ex-Christian America” and professor of theology and the sociology of religion at St Mary’s University, expands on the COVID effect.
“A lot of people who were weakly attached, to suddenly have months of not going, they’re then thinking: ‘Well we don’t really need to go,’ or ‘We’ve found something else to do,’ or thinking: ‘It was hard enough dragging the kids along then, we really ought to start going again … next week.’”
Some non-religious will celebrate this rejection of religion as a triumph of science over superstition. They should not be so quick to feel superior. I have not been religious since my teen years. I went through a period of self-congratulation at my newfound rationality. But now, I consider myself a post-atheist — considering whether God exists or not feels like a pointless exercise and a waste of time. If religion gives someone value, then who am I to judge?
When Thomas Jefferson — a deist at best, probably agnostic, and possibly an atheist — wrote of the pursuit of happiness, he was aware that many Americans were happy in their religion. He wrote,
“The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”
This precept points to the dark side of religion in the US. Its continued iron grip on American politics and its determination to bowdlerize school curriculums. Even as the general population exercises their individual consciences over God, religion, and faith, the governing institutions of America — the federal and state governments — are still overwhelmingly stocked with people practicing an organized religion — overwhelmingly Christianity.
And half of those people — the religious right — are committed to law-making with an eyed to iron-age texts. Religion has no business in American legislation. As Jefferson said, the government should not concern itself with matters that are not injurious to others. In other words, no group has a right to legislate morals.
Who do gay marriage, contraception, trans care, science, women’s rights, and immigrants hurt? How do any of those break a leg or pick a pocket? Look at the US today. It is a country of high immigration and record employment — not a symptom of foreigners taking American workers' jobs.
Who can seriously claim the state of their marriage has been affected one iota by two women marrying? And newsflash for the concerned parent — no one has been coerced into being gay, nor forced into believing they are not the sex assigned at birth. And atheists have the same non-divine morals as the religious do.
This unanimity of goodness raises the question: when the religious fundamentalist celebrates “Christian values," what values are they talking about? More specifically, how do those values differ from those of Jews, Muslims, and Atheists — let alone Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, et al.? Jews and Christians have the same Ten Commandments. And Muslims accept them, although with different words. Note: Islam also includes a commandment that mandates society takes care of its poor.
Christians complain that many Muslims have forgotten or bastardized the tenets of their faith. That is a charge the disinterested observer could equally well levy against conservative Christians.
 

Bagginski

Well-Known Member
I haven't been a huge fan of using the 14th amendment to side step the republicans, but it appears there may not be an alternative, except allowing the country to go into default, which will certainly have catastrophic results for America, and most likely for the entire world.
I wasn’t, but I got to thinking about it.

I don’t think it’s a sidestep: I have the notion that the debt ceiling exists to allow the House a role in the handling of the debt - pork to the House in other words, ‘just to wet the beak’…became a performative doing of the nation’s business, like Flag Day…and got weaponized along with everything else GOOP in office has gotten its hands on, including for MUCH of the last 30 years the House AND the Senate (and SCOTUS of course)…& everything subject to billionaire influence outside of office (likewise weaponized (Harlan Crow: Congress has NO RIGHT to investigate gifts to justices (or is it just from real-estate guys. would be super embarrassing if CHUMP hisself paid off Kavanaugh’s shit?)))

republicans can't seem to grasp the concept that they're committing terrorist acts, holding the economy of the country and the world hostage to their unreasonable, harmful, stupid demands.
No, sorry: THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. They may be brainwashed into believing they’re not actual traitors, but they display cognizance of guilt: they evade, attack, whatabout, lie, collude, dissemble…they *hide* what they’re doing because they *know* what they’re doing is bad, looks bad, smells bad, means TROUBLE for *them* IF PEOPLE FIND OUT.

The problem is: they’re all in. Utterly compromised. No offramp.
Their ONLY hope is to keep the bullshit inflated long enough for a miracle to occur.

They cannot win, one way or another. It's either default, Print the coin, or some other equally unpalatable solution that isn't really a solution, because the republicans refuse to negotiate in good faith, with reasonable demands.
The 14th:
Section 4

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
The debt-essential part is clear enough: the validity of the public debt shall not be questioned. I could make a pretty fair argument that Charlie McCarthy & his hostage-taking over the debt limit does in fact call the validity of the public debt into very serious question: will it be honored or will it not?

The House of Representatives is not an exception to this *constitutional directive*, even if spending and appropriations are to originate in the House (yes, those are specifically laid on the House)…because the public debt was ALREADY AUTHORIZED BY LAW. BY THE HOUSE. The power to impose an *additional* authorization for the *payment* of the debt *can’t* rest in the House: their role is done before the bill becomes due & PAYMENT is required (makes it sound like a plumbing problem)

Whether or not “debt ceiling” legislation is a legit concept, or just the House wanting a piece of the action, it’s entire actual purpose seems indicative of an intent to REMOVE the debt itself from political chicanery…like precisely this recurring debt-ceiling circle jerk GOOP think is such a hot item; interpreting it as if signifying House DOMINANCE OVER PAYMENTS DUE - as if the House hadn’t approved the expenditures, and using it as a hostage with which to threaten the executive - is IMO not only unconstitutional, but ANTI-constitutional & has nothing to stand on but 40+ years of lying about democrats

So I’m ok w/ Joe setting the precedent that the nation simply can’t even pretend that it won’t pay the bills we undertook intentionally. DARE SCOTUS to even clear their throats on the subject. Take it off the table *permanently*
 
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Bagginski

Well-Known Member

“I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. These two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death”― George Carlin
Christianity is still the dominant faith in America. But it is losing its grip on the population — even though only 7% of Americans say they are atheists. There has been a significant increase in the percentage of Americans who describe themselves as spiritual but not religious — from 18.5% in 1998 to 33% in 2020. Notably, against this increasing rejection of religion, four in five Americans (81%) still believe in an afterlife.
Organized religion in America has been losing adherents. From 2007 to 2020, the number of self-identified Christians declined from 78% to 63% — while the number of religious ‘nones’ increased from 16% to 29% Catholicism has taken a haircut, while Protestantism has been the biggest loser.
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Conservative evangelicals may promote expedient nonsense about the Founders establishing the nascent nation as a Christian enterprise. However, contemporary Americans increasingly embrace a laissez-faire “you be you” social philosophy — which is America's true founding belief.
This philosophy of liberty is inconvenient for political pastors who see their brand of hate and superstition as the road to social control and secular influence. To keep hold of the reins of power, they appeal to the atavistic fears of the lizard brain with an ever-increasing enemies list.
As the total number of congregations shrinks — Protestantism experienced a net loss of 1,500 churches in 2019 alone — the future lies in non-denominational mega-churches led by cynical multimillionaires distracting the faithful from their greed with warnings of imaginary barbarians at the gate. Or justifying their avarice with paeans to cupidity’s wet dream, the Prosperity Gospel.
When pollsters asked people why they had left their previous religion, a majority (56%) said it was because they stopped believing in that religion’s teachings. For 30%, it was their religion’s anti-LGBTQ bigotry. And 17% left because their church became too political. (Note people who left a religion include those who adopted another religion.)
ScreenShot2023-05-22at4.13.34PM.png

The Covid pandemic caused a temporary and long-term decline in religious observance as the pandemic forced church closures. Why? I will let Scott McConnell, executive director at Lifeway Research (an evangelical research company) explain.

This honest appraisal exposes both a strength and a weakness in organized religion. It has addictive qualities — for instance, the force of habit, superstition, and routine. If they do not consume it for a while, religion's hold on some individuals dissolves.
Stephen Bullivant, author of “Nonverts: The Making of Ex-Christian America” and professor of theology and the sociology of religion at St Mary’s University, expands on the COVID effect.

Some non-religious will celebrate this rejection of religion as a triumph of science over superstition. They should not be so quick to feel superior. I have not been religious since my teen years. I went through a period of self-congratulation at my newfound rationality. But now, I consider myself a post-atheist — considering whether God exists or not feels like a pointless exercise and a waste of time. If religion gives someone value, then who am I to judge?
When Thomas Jefferson — a deist at best, probably agnostic, and possibly an atheist — wrote of the pursuit of happiness, he was aware that many Americans were happy in their religion. He wrote,

This precept points to the dark side of religion in the US. Its continued iron grip on American politics and its determination to bowdlerize school curriculums. Even as the general population exercises their individual consciences over God, religion, and faith, the governing institutions of America — the federal and state governments — are still overwhelmingly stocked with people practicing an organized religion — overwhelmingly Christianity.
And half of those people — the religious right — are committed to law-making with an eyed to iron-age texts. Religion has no business in American legislation. As Jefferson said, the government should not concern itself with matters that are not injurious to others. In other words, no group has a right to legislate morals.
Who do gay marriage, contraception, trans care, science, women’s rights, and immigrants hurt? How do any of those break a leg or pick a pocket? Look at the US today. It is a country of high immigration and record employment — not a symptom of foreigners taking American workers' jobs.
Who can seriously claim the state of their marriage has been affected one iota by two women marrying? And newsflash for the concerned parent — no one has been coerced into being gay, nor forced into believing they are not the sex assigned at birth. And atheists have the same non-divine morals as the religious do.
This unanimity of goodness raises the question: when the religious fundamentalist celebrates “Christian values," what values are they talking about? More specifically, how do those values differ from those of Jews, Muslims, and Atheists — let alone Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, et al.? Jews and Christians have the same Ten Commandments. And Muslims accept them, although with different words. Note: Islam also includes a commandment that mandates society takes care of its poor.
Christians complain that many Muslims have forgotten or bastardized the tenets of their faith. That is a charge the disinterested observer could equally well levy against conservative Christians.
“The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”
Attributed in the article to Jefferson, but it’s been (more?) reliably attributed to Ben Franklin, who wrote several similar remarks that share the same general tone & vibe

Good article, thanks!
 
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