TGA Strains Stable?

At least subcool cant come and delete this thread like all the others he deletes in his own sub forum. Oh well, the truth will be told.

he must have finally realized tga sucks the big one

althor said:

Wow, Melonmindbender dude hasnt shown up in this thread calling everyone alot of names yet. This is a first.

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Gotta say this is not filling me with confidence towards the Dairy Queen and Chernobyl freebies I have going right now, especially since I'm not particularly interested in keeping them, genetics-wise. While the breeding of polyhybrids can produce a superplant, with desirable characteristics from three or four different powerful strains, it is also likely (often more so) to produce plants that carry one or more undesirable characteristic from these plants. While it is true that plants often herm because of climate-related stress, it is also true that there is a genetic predisposition to do so, and while seed created by an intersex/herm plant will be more likely to carry that disposition, seed created by a herm plant pollinating itself is almost guaranteed to carry the disposition and will likely herm under stress that would normally not induce such a mutation. I'm definitely not saying they have used herms as parent stock in their genetic pool at TGA, but with all these complaints I'm definitely not saying they never have, or that they do not have polyhybrids that have herm prone plants somewhere in their genetic makeup. In addition, one problem with non-stabilized polyhybrids is that they carry a great deal of genetic instability in one generation, with a massive pool of potential genetics, which makes them prone to mutations such as intersex/herm behavior. I have actually yet to have a plant herm on me, but most of what I have grown has been cloned from first gen mothers of Sensi, Serious, MNS, and Next Generation seedstock.

edit: Good lord they use their space queen (romulan x cindy 99) genetics in fucking everything, but that seems to be the common thread running through all of the plants you folks seem to have had herm problems with. Does he have like one set of SQ male plant genetics and then just pollinate everyfuckingthing he can find with it, and then either just call it good or backcross it with the non-SQ parent? I'm not trying to be rude, but that's just lame.

I ordered a Jilly Bean 5 pack and they were all male...There was a bit of variation amongst the males, but jeez they are male plants, so I didn't worry with them too long..picked 2 and tossed the other 3...

bluntmassa1 said:

he must have finally realized tga sucks the big one

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you know why mindbendermelody or whatever hasn't been here, is I caught him lying on a thread in outdoor saying the pics were his and they were now and I busted his balls. He hasn't been back since that day. it's in the outdoor thread " who thinks they have the biggest plants so far" or somethin. check it out....he's a lying little asshole and prolly don't even know Sub

missnu said:

I ordered a Jilly Bean 5 pack and they were all male...There was a bit of variation amongst the males, but jeez they are male plants, so I didn't worry with them too long..picked 2 and tossed the other 3...

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Somewhere in a thread on here, Sub claims that 70% of all his releases are female seeds. So 7 out of 10 seeds are female, according to Sub... Sure wish he would share what he REALLY smokes!

wheezer said:

you know why mindbendermelody or whatever hasn't been here, is I caught him lying on a thread in outdoor saying the pics were his and they were now and I busted his balls. He hasn't been back since that day. it's in the outdoor thread " who thinks they have the biggest plants so far" or somethin. check it out....he's a lying little asshole and prolly don't even know Sub

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Lol. I just read that thread. Funny how he pops in with a different persona with one of the same pics as his avi.

auldone said:

Somewhere in a thread on here, Sub claims that 70% of all his releases are female seeds. So 7 out of 10 seeds are female, according to Sub... Sure wish he would share what he REALLY smokes!

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Crack?

Sorry, just had to.

if you watched his show you see him with one strain of male and a bunch of diffrent girls. his breeding room probally aint no bigger than 8x8 guys making a bank with all his fans and over priced seeds

Clankie said:

edit: Good lord they use their space queen (romulan x cindy 99) genetics in fucking everything, but that seems to be the common thread running through all of the plants you folks seem to have had herm problems with. Does he have like one set of SQ male plant genetics and then just pollinate everyfuckingthing he can find with it, and then either just call it good or backcross it with the non-SQ parent? I'm not trying to be rude, but that's just lame.

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Clankie said:

Crack?

Sorry, just had to.

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While I have had no hermies yet, my male/female ratio has been absolutely terrible.
I keep being told I am just unlucky. But I have had 3 males for every female with TGA products.

I would blame myself in this situation except that I have a great female/male ratio for every other breeder. I pop the seeds at the same time, in the same environment. I veg them together, in the same box, in the same environment, I flower them together, in the same box, in the same environment. I would say I average 7 fems out of 10 for every breeder I have tried except TGA.

Let me also say, the finished products I have had, have been outstanding. While not the most potent of bud, I have really enjoyed the types of buzzes and the smells/flavors have been outstanding.

I've grown out a pack of DQ 3 fems 2 males 1 keeper no banners, I currently have 5 Deep Purple going in veg *fingures crossed* my seeds are old though, I got them a year ago so I'm sure it's a different batch than what folks are getting now. So no hermie issues thus far for me but STABLE genes, hell no. If your a pheno hunter that would rather by 10 seeds and get 6 different pheno's have at, if your looking for uniformity please look elsewhere, but if your a tool who is prone to idolize other tools TGA all the WAY!!!

wheezer said:

you know why mindbendermelody or whatever hasn't been here, is I caught him lying on a thread in outdoor saying the pics were his and they were now and I busted his balls. He hasn't been back since that day. it's in the outdoor thread " who thinks they have the biggest plants so far" or somethin. check it out....he's a lying little asshole and prolly don't even know Sub

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all i know is, he had a pick of Dimebag as his avatar, which was full of win.... RIP Dimebag.

Subs seeds are bad hacks that produce some great phenos no good for breeding with realy.

Allthough if you were to feminise the right phenos you would be onto a winner.

I dont like sub as a breeder (hacker) but I do like some of his vars. Chernobyl is awsome (the phenos ive done)

The older strains are more stable then the more recent.

Grojak said:

I've grown out a pack of DQ 3 fems 2 males 1 keeper no banners, I currently have 5 Deep Purple going in veg *fingures crossed* my seeds are old though, I got them a year ago so I'm sure it's a different batch than what folks are getting now. So no hermie issues thus far for me but STABLE genes, hell no. If your a pheno hunter that would rather by 10 seeds and get 6 different pheno's have at, if your looking for uniformity please look elsewhere, but if your a tool who is prone to idolize other tools TGA all the WAY!!!

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i had a freebie of the DQ that smelled like twizzlers and black licorice, it was really nice until someone stole it i agree that it wasn't top of the heap but it had bag appeal/smell/flavor that would turn heads and a good enough high/stoned combo.

canna_420 said:

Subs seeds are bad hacks that produce some great phenos no good for breeding with realy.

Allthough if you were to feminise the right phenos you would be onto a winner.

I dont like sub as a breeder (hacker) but I do like some of his vars. Chernobyl is awsome (the phenos ive done)

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Chernobyl was bred by Dioxin, not Sub, and is actually the only strain in their whole catalog that I'd consider growing.

canna_420 said:

Subs seeds are bad hacks that produce some great phenos no good for breeding with realy.

Allthough if you were to feminise the right phenos you would be onto a winner.

I dont like sub as a breeder (hacker) but I do like some of his vars. Chernobyl is awsome (the phenos ive done)

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i'm making f2's of his chernobyl, f3's(f4's?) of Spacebomb, Ace of spades f2's, The Void f2's, The Third Dimension F2's, Agent Orange F2's and Ripped Bubba f2's. I'll make a journal once they are done around october/november.

bluntmassa1 said:

if you watched his show you see him with one strain of male and a bunch of diffrent girls. his breeding room probally aint no bigger than 8x8 guys making a bank with all his fans and over priced seeds

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I think you just convinced me to start a seed company. It seems like such a winning formula: 'recreate' another seed breeders lost strain, buy/otherwise obtain other people's stabilized hybrids, cross pollinate, profit. I mean just looking at the makeup of TGA's strains, it looks like every single one of them could express anywhere from 6-10 or even more phenotypes, which in a bag of like 10 seeds just seems ridiculous. Seems like more of a 'seed manufacturer' than a breeder, if you ask me. Of course, a cursory walk through the brands available on any major seed bank seems to indicate that they are far from alone in this category.

It's been my opinion for a while now that Subcool needs to start selling packs of 20 seeds ONLY for the same price because of how unstable his stuff is... not to mention the occasional herm or runty mutant plant that needs to be culled.

missnu said:

I ordered a Jilly Bean 5 pack and they were all male...There was a bit of variation amongst the males, but jeez they are male plants, so I didn't worry with them too long..picked 2 and tossed the other 3...

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thats because i got the other half of your 10 pack. you got the males and i got the females lol j/k

i bought a 10 pack of jilly bean. popped 2 and both were males. both had same growth and branch structure and very bushy.