"The best way to avoid this problem is not to get there."

We will know America's short-term fate in 40 days, it looks like the senate is democratic, hopefully by enough to make a difference. The house is a tossup IMHO with the women's vote being the wild card and one the republicans obviously fear. Then there's Donald who is doing his bit to help by fucking up the republican messaging with Rove and Mitch's game plan. The positive events in Ukraine might be a factor as will the upcoming J6 hearings. In short, there might be a lot of history made between now and election day, with Joe fighting the "good war" as in popular, while Vlad threatens America with nukes and the Magats cheerlead him on.

I think the house is up for grabs in November, nobody really knows what will happen or who will turn out, between less than honest pollster answers to controversial questions and shifting likely voters.

Fogdog said:

It's not a matter of putting head in sand.

We are undergoing a generationally driven social shift away from the status quo of white rural power that controlled much of this nation since its inception. It's so big and moving so slow, it hardly matters to our daily lives. We are going to vote in November. It's quite likely that Democrats will lose the House. What happens next? We will see.

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I’m reminded of a Hemingway character who, when asked how he became bankrupt, said “at first, little by little - then, all at once”.

Two major components of how we came to the “all at once” phase of things are the Powell memo:
- Bill Moyers’ warning introduction to the memo

- Archived text of the memo:

- Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse discussing the impact & role of the memo in the aftermath of Jan6:

…and the Southern white revolt against school desegregation:
…as a consequence of which, the smoldering ‘lost-cause’ resentment of the Jim Crow patriarchy joined hands with the corporatist/billionaire/banking activists such as Fred, Charles, & David Koch (as well as the “Chicago school” of libertarian ‘economists’) in response to the civil-rights movement & the free-speech & anti-war movements.

The point of dragging all this in is simple: it’s *not* moving slowly anymore - and if we keep acting as if it’ll all shake out in the next few generations, we could lose - very badly, and for a VERY LONG TIME

CunningCanuk said:

American democracy is at a precipice, experts say. And time is ticking

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/american-democracy-in-crisis-ideas-1.6599061

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Been at a precipice forever, veterans camp in the 20’s, mccarthyism in the 50’s, ‘Nam, Reagan, Obama, Trump. Have a Molson and watch the game.

Kerowacked said:

Been at a precipice forever, veterans camp in the 20’s, mccarthyism in the 50’s, ‘Nam, Reagan, Obama, Trump. Have a Molson and watch the game.

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Never had the capitol invaded by lunatics and idiots, or a traitor and certified psychopathic moron as president though. Some prefer real reality TV to the game or at least switch channels between periods.

Bagginski said:

I’m reminded of a Hemingway character who, when asked how he became bankrupt, said “at first, little by little - then, all at once”.

Two major components of how we came to the “all at once” phase of things are the Powell memo:
- Bill Moyers’ warning introduction to the memo

The Powell Memo: A Call-to-Arms for Corporations | BillMoyers.com

In this excerpt from Winner-Take-All Politics: How Washington Made the Rich Richer — and Turned Its Back on the Middle Class, authors Jacob S. Hacker and

billmoyers.com

- Archived text of the memo:

The Powell Memo (AKA the Powell Manifesto) ⋆ Reclaim Democracy!

In 1971, Lewis Powell, wrote a memo that provided a movement-building outline for U.S. corporations to erode democracy and extract our wealth.

reclaimdemocracy.org

- Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse discussing the impact & role of the memo in the aftermath of Jan6:

The Scheme 1: The Powell Memo - Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

Mr. WHITEHOUSE. Madam President, there is a scheme afoot, a scheme I will be talking about in weeks ahead – a long-running, right-wing scheme to capture the Supreme Court. Special interests are behind the scheme. They control it through dark money – hundreds of millions of dollars in anonymous...

www.whitehouse.senate.gov

…and the Southern white revolt against school desegregation:

…as a consequence of which, the smoldering ‘lost-cause’ resentment of the Jim Crow patriarchy joined hands with the corporatist/billionaire/banking activists such as Fred, Charles, & David Koch (as well as the “Chicago school” of libertarian ‘economists’) in response to the civil-rights movement & the free-speech & anti-war movements.

The point of dragging all this in is simple: it’s *not* moving slowly anymore - and if we keep acting as if it’ll all shake out in the next few generations, we could lose - very badly, and for a VERY LONG TIME

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The people of Portland Oregon aren't complacent



The people in most communities know what's going on:



When its time to act, we know it.

Now is not the time. We know that too. It feels to some as if people are complacent. Well, right now, be complacent. Because now is not the time for unrest.

Fogdog said:

The people of Portland Oregon aren't complacent

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The people in most communities know what's going on:

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When its time to act, we know it.

Now is not the time. We know that too. It feels to some as if people are complacent. Well, right now, be complacent. Because now is not the time for unrest.

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Complacent has a negative connotation of deliberate unawareness. Tranquil, maybe. Or (adjective) chill.

Fogdog said:

The people of Portland Oregon aren't complacent

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The people in most communities know what's going on:

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When its time to act, we know it.

Now is not the time. We know that too. It feels to some as if people are complacent. Well, right now, be complacent. Because now is not the time for unrest.

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When you sit at the table of power you don't need to be in the streets, clipboards in neighborhoods will get that seat faster than picket signs, though they have their place too. It's who organizes and how, with what objective. Demographics changes may happen, but people make history and change attitudes by their words and actions, or lack of them. Organization and ground games have worked for the GOP, all politics is local as they say and voting for the people who count the votes is now part of the game too.

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Never had the capitol invaded by lunatics and idiots, or a traitor and certified psychopathic moron as president though. Some prefer real reality TV to the game or at least switch channels between periods.

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Yeah it was “invaded” by the puerto rican nationalist party in 1954 after they failed to kill Truman. Five congressman were shot from the gallery. Weathermen, among others, exploded bombs in the capitol several times. It’s always a target.

Kerowacked said:

Yeah it was “invaded” by the puerto rican nationalist party in 1954 after they failed to kill Truman. Five congressman were shot from the gallery. Weathermen, among others, exploded bombs in the capitol several times. It’s always a target.

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Everybody went to jail, and it wasn't a conspiracy involving high government officials and republican politicians to install a fucking king. Fist time there was no peaceful transfer of power, it was no "tourist visit", it was a coordinated attack and they bused in idiots. There are assholes on trial now for seditious conspiracy and a thousand of the morons will end up busted.

DIY-HP-LED said:

When you sit at the table of power you don't need to be in the streets, clipboards in neighborhoods will get that seat faster than picket signs, though they have their place too. It's who organizes and how, with what objective. Demographics changes may happen, but people make history and change attitudes by their words and actions, or lack of them. Organization and ground games have worked for the GOP, all politics is local as they say and voting for the people who count the votes is now part of the game too.

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Thank you for your advice.

Donarious said:

It could have happened if Biden hadn't started a proxy war with Russia driving up the price of everything and is threatening military action to another nuclear power (China over Taiwan), record inflation, market crash and housing bubble bursting in some metropolitan areas. Although not all his fault, he's gonna wear it like a cheap suit.

People have lost their TikTok attention span with Ukraine, and when they see 60 billion going to another country to play enemy for the US military industrial complex, their eyes glaze over and push the red button because the blue one depresses them.

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Putin decided to invade,.

Bagginski said:

I’m reminded of a Hemingway character who, when asked how he became bankrupt, said “at first, little by little - then, all at once”.

Two major components of how we came to the “all at once” phase of things are the Powell memo:
- Bill Moyers’ warning introduction to the memo

The Powell Memo: A Call-to-Arms for Corporations | BillMoyers.com

In this excerpt from Winner-Take-All Politics: How Washington Made the Rich Richer — and Turned Its Back on the Middle Class, authors Jacob S. Hacker and

billmoyers.com

- Archived text of the memo:

The Powell Memo (AKA the Powell Manifesto) ⋆ Reclaim Democracy!

In 1971, Lewis Powell, wrote a memo that provided a movement-building outline for U.S. corporations to erode democracy and extract our wealth.

reclaimdemocracy.org

- Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse discussing the impact & role of the memo in the aftermath of Jan6:

The Scheme 1: The Powell Memo - Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

Mr. WHITEHOUSE. Madam President, there is a scheme afoot, a scheme I will be talking about in weeks ahead – a long-running, right-wing scheme to capture the Supreme Court. Special interests are behind the scheme. They control it through dark money – hundreds of millions of dollars in anonymous...

www.whitehouse.senate.gov

…and the Southern white revolt against school desegregation:

…as a consequence of which, the smoldering ‘lost-cause’ resentment of the Jim Crow patriarchy joined hands with the corporatist/billionaire/banking activists such as Fred, Charles, & David Koch (as well as the “Chicago school” of libertarian ‘economists’) in response to the civil-rights movement & the free-speech & anti-war movements.

The point of dragging all this in is simple: it’s *not* moving slowly anymore - and if we keep acting as if it’ll all shake out in the next few generations, we could lose - very badly, and for a VERY LONG TIME

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The attack on our education system is something I have worried about for a long time. Not only Uni of Chicago, but a handful of Minnesota ones too, also post 2010-ish Rich right wing donors like the Koch's funding Econ departments (like down in Florida and basically everywhere else) to be sure to be able to hire their propagandists with degrees into those departments, a just the straight up creation of right wing institutions like Hillsdale college here in Michigan.

The attack on our public education is very scary, they have been at it for a while whittling away the funds from public schools into their for profit schools. Now adding into it the pandemic, the trolling attacks on school boards (CRT & sexuality projection), deranged people running for office to use their power to further the trolling attacks, etc, it is making it very hard to teach at such a low salary for the investment they made in their education.

And now with the governor's like DeSantis using their political power to scare educators, I have no clue how much ground they made in destroying our public schools over the last 50 years.

The semi-Fascist Republicans really are kicking out every single pillar to our society that they can.

hanimmal said:

The attack on our education system is something I have worried about for a long time.

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When a person is forced to pay for something whether they want it or not, and they will be attacked or have their property stolen for noncompliance...would you also be against THAT kind of attack ?

How would you educate children to discern what is a real attack and what is government word smithing wrapped up in flowery platitudes marinaded in violent contradiction ? (That means your concerns are misplaced...doh!!)

Rob Roy said:

When a person is forced to pay for something whether they want it or not, and they will be attacked or have their property stolen for noncompliance...would you also be against THAT kind of attack ?

How would you educate children to discern what is a real attack and what is government word smithing wrapped up in flowery platitudes marinaded in violent contradiction ? (That means your concerns are misplaced...doh!!)

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You mean like paying school taxes for your spawn all my life while I have no kids of my own?
I guess I’m just not a big enough whiner to support your positions

Rob Roy said:

You were robbed by people who use guns in an offensive manner.

Now get back to work picking cotton, college kids need you to pay their loans so they can sip latte at Starbucks !

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Educated young people is the only hope for this country

Herb & Suds said:

Educated young people is the only hope for this country
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If an education is a pursuit to understand things and discover things that are true, would you say how government schools are funded, while also claiming to teach kids bullying is bad should be examined to see where the truth is and isn't ?

Or is that kind of reasoning something you'd prefer kids are kept in the dark on?

Fogdog said:

It's not a matter of putting head in sand.

We are undergoing a generationally driven social shift away from the status quo of white rural power that controlled much of this nation since its inception. It's so big and moving so slow, it hardly matters to our daily lives. We are going to vote in November. It's quite likely that Democrats will lose the House. What happens next? We will see.

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Hope springs eternal. No one knows the future. We've had worse but weren't all connected- it's a shock to the system of the 6PM daily news and newspapers..any crazy can say anything be read/heard now.

Rob Roy said:

If an education is a pursuit to understand things and discover things that are true, would you say how government schools are funded, while also claiming to teach kids bullying is bad should be examined to see where the truth is and isn't ?

Or is that kind of reasoning something you'd prefer kids are kept in the dark on?

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Some peoples kids are homeschooled by idiots and should be left in the dark
I’m not of the Guberment bad crowd
I still love America
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Herb & Suds said:

Some peoples kids are homeschooled by idiots and should be left in the dark
I’m not of the Guberment bad crowd
I still love America
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My grandson was pulled from government schools during the scamdemic (Hooray). Stayed at home in a loosely structured home school set up and then returned to school in a private school. He's reading far above the other kids.

He will NEVER go back to a government school, yet his parents will be forced to subsidize the obedient brainwashed children of mask wearing lockdown and government school loving adult slaves and all you can say is, "let's not teach kids government schools are funded by threats of violence" ?

I am disappointed in you and your gun lust.

CunningCanuk said:

You have a lot to say about an article you didn’t read.

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I told you..the first two paragraphs sums up the article nicely..but I'm going to read the whole thing because I respect you. BRB.