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Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
Morality and ethics have a biological basis and are essential for human survival. We survive as communities and not so much as individuals because we wouldn't last for long as individuals for the vast majority of our evolution. Our problem is our technology and resulting large scale social structures are making it hard for our small scale tribal social evolution to adapt to. People who were the those recently tribal or who live rural tribal lives have different instinctive values and priorities than those who live urban lives. Some of us, including northern Europeans came out of tribal existences just a couple of thousand years ago. Whether we live, rural tribal or urban civil, we form hierarchical caring sharing communities of mutual support and defense.
They do not have any biological base, they are pure mental constructs people came up with out of their sense of self preservation and our inherent need to judge everyone and everything around us. you don't inherit a moral or ethical sense, it is "taught" to you as you grow and participate more in society.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
They do not have any biological base, they are pure mental constructs people came up with out of their sense of self preservation and our inherent need to judge everyone and everything around us. you don't inherit a moral or ethical sense, it is "taught" to you as you grow and participate more in society.
We do not inherit moral specifics, but morality (similarly, religion) is deeply rooted in our biology. We are born with minds predisposed to moral judgments. Imo this is a consequence of naturally selected (adaptive) features and constraints of how we think, how we perceive the world.

It is very difficult to gain a perspective that is not colored top-to-bottom by our natures. I sure can’t.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
They do not have any biological base, they are pure mental constructs people came up with out of their sense of self preservation and our inherent need to judge everyone and everything around us. you don't inherit a moral or ethical sense, it is "taught" to you as you grow and participate more in society.
We are social animals and wherever humans form communities they all operate the same way, we evolved as communities and that requires empathy and other prosocial behaviors. Prosocial emotions and behaviors form the foundation that morals and ethics rest upon. Morals naturally arise from our conscience, and some have more of one than others. Ethics are rules that promote social harmony beyond that which the law will allow. Humans cannot survive without empathy and that even goes beyond humans to encompass animals too and is the true foundation of moral behavior, the golden rule, do unto others as you would have done unto yourself. We didn't pull morals and ethics out of our asses they are terms applied to deeply engrained human social behavior that is a result of evolutionary forces. We got smart as individuals by being smart as groups who banned together for mutual support and protection. Humans have the longest developmental cycle of any animal and need a village for children to survive, not just a family. Because so much of our mental development (brain growth) happens after birth, we are much more plastic in our social development and less instinctively driven than other social animals. Hence you can teach a kid to be a saint or a nazi, but even being a nazi means prosocial behaviors inside one's own narrow group, while murdering everybody else who is different!
 

HGCC

Well-Known Member
Huh, my plan to scam old magas by selling robot insurance wasn't so far fetched after all I guess.

The past 10 years or so have convinced me we are not ready to use the technology we created. I'm ok with it wiping a bunch of us out so we can start again, back to land line telephones again at least.
 

Lucky Luke

Well-Known Member
Getting messy again in the Baltic
A former UK ambassador said the EU envoy to Kosovo should stand aside, while the UK foreign affairs select committee chair, Alicia Kearns, warned the US against disproportionate punishment of Kurti.


Emmanuel Macron, the French president, said Kurti had made mistakes and he would be meeting him jointly with the German chancellor, Olaf Scholz.

The crisis escalated on Monday after the Pristina government sent in mayors, backed by Kosovan police, to ethnic Serb-dominated northern municipality offices after elections that ethnic Serbs had boycotted.

The area’s majority ethnic Serbs have never accepted Kosovo’s 2008 declaration of independence from Serbia and consider Belgrade their capital, more than two decades after the Kosovo Albanian uprising against repressive Serbian rule.

Ethnic Albanians make up more than 90% of the population in Kosovo, but northern Serbs have long demanded the implementation of an EU-brokered 2013 deal for the creation of an association of autonomous municipalities in their area.




 

Lucky Luke

Well-Known Member
Humans seem to be getting rid of the human in articles and journalism.

We told a GPT chat bot to “Convince us to sell our house and buy a sailboat.”
The response


Well, let me tell you, there are few things in life as liberating and exhilarating as sailing the open seas on your own boat. Imagine waking up every day to the sound of waves crashing against your hull and the sea breeze blowing through your hair. Imagine having the freedom to go wherever you want, whenever you want, without being tied down to one place.
Not to mention, living on a sailboat can be much cheaper than owning a house. You can anchor in free spots or pay a small fee for a marina slip, and you don't have to worry about property taxes, mortgage payments, or utility bills. Plus, you can catch your own fresh fish and seafood, which can save you tons of money on groceries.
But it's not just about the financial benefits. Living on a sailboat can be a transformative experience. You'll learn new skills like navigation, boat maintenance, and seamanship. You'll meet other sailors and form lifelong friendships. And you'll have the opportunity to explore some of the most beautiful and remote parts of the world.
Of course, there are some challenges that come with living on a sailboat, like dealing with weather conditions, learning to adapt to a small living space, and being self-sufficient. But the rewards more than make up for it. You'll gain a sense of self-sufficiency, self-reliance, and confidence that you might not have had before.
So why not take the plunge and sell your house to buy a sailboat? Life is short, and there's a whole world out there waiting to be explored. With a sailboat, you have the freedom to go wherever your heart desires, and the opportunity to experience the ultimate adventure.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Humans seem to be getting rid of the human in articles and journalism.

We told a GPT chat bot to “Convince us to sell our house and buy a sailboat.”
The response


Well, let me tell you, there are few things in life as liberating and exhilarating as sailing the open seas on your own boat. Imagine waking up every day to the sound of waves crashing against your hull and the sea breeze blowing through your hair. Imagine having the freedom to go wherever you want, whenever you want, without being tied down to one place.
Not to mention, living on a sailboat can be much cheaper than owning a house. You can anchor in free spots or pay a small fee for a marina slip, and you don't have to worry about property taxes, mortgage payments, or utility bills. Plus, you can catch your own fresh fish and seafood, which can save you tons of money on groceries.
But it's not just about the financial benefits. Living on a sailboat can be a transformative experience. You'll learn new skills like navigation, boat maintenance, and seamanship. You'll meet other sailors and form lifelong friendships. And you'll have the opportunity to explore some of the most beautiful and remote parts of the world.
Of course, there are some challenges that come with living on a sailboat, like dealing with weather conditions, learning to adapt to a small living space, and being self-sufficient. But the rewards more than make up for it. You'll gain a sense of self-sufficiency, self-reliance, and confidence that you might not have had before.
So why not take the plunge and sell your house to buy a sailboat? Life is short, and there's a whole world out there waiting to be explored. With a sailboat, you have the freedom to go wherever your heart desires, and the opportunity to experience the ultimate adventure.
People in the old folk's home 40 years in the future could have robots wiping their arses and they had better hope no malicious code gets into the system! o_O
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Humans seem to be getting rid of the human in articles and journalism.

We told a GPT chat bot to “Convince us to sell our house and buy a sailboat.”
The response


Well, let me tell you, there are few things in life as liberating and exhilarating as sailing the open seas on your own boat. Imagine waking up every day to the sound of waves crashing against your hull and the sea breeze blowing through your hair. Imagine having the freedom to go wherever you want, whenever you want, without being tied down to one place.
Not to mention, living on a sailboat can be much cheaper than owning a house. You can anchor in free spots or pay a small fee for a marina slip, and you don't have to worry about property taxes, mortgage payments, or utility bills. Plus, you can catch your own fresh fish and seafood, which can save you tons of money on groceries.
But it's not just about the financial benefits. Living on a sailboat can be a transformative experience. You'll learn new skills like navigation, boat maintenance, and seamanship. You'll meet other sailors and form lifelong friendships. And you'll have the opportunity to explore some of the most beautiful and remote parts of the world.
Of course, there are some challenges that come with living on a sailboat, like dealing with weather conditions, learning to adapt to a small living space, and being self-sufficient. But the rewards more than make up for it. You'll gain a sense of self-sufficiency, self-reliance, and confidence that you might not have had before.
So why not take the plunge and sell your house to buy a sailboat? Life is short, and there's a whole world out there waiting to be explored. With a sailboat, you have the freedom to go wherever your heart desires, and the opportunity to experience the ultimate adventure.
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HGCC

Well-Known Member
Humans seem to be getting rid of the human in articles and journalism.

We told a GPT chat bot to “Convince us to sell our house and buy a sailboat.”
The response


Well, let me tell you, there are few things in life as liberating and exhilarating as sailing the open seas on your own boat. Imagine waking up every day to the sound of waves crashing against your hull and the sea breeze blowing through your hair. Imagine having the freedom to go wherever you want, whenever you want, without being tied down to one place.
Not to mention, living on a sailboat can be much cheaper than owning a house. You can anchor in free spots or pay a small fee for a marina slip, and you don't have to worry about property taxes, mortgage payments, or utility bills. Plus, you can catch your own fresh fish and seafood, which can save you tons of money on groceries.
But it's not just about the financial benefits. Living on a sailboat can be a transformative experience. You'll learn new skills like navigation, boat maintenance, and seamanship. You'll meet other sailors and form lifelong friendships. And you'll have the opportunity to explore some of the most beautiful and remote parts of the world.
Of course, there are some challenges that come with living on a sailboat, like dealing with weather conditions, learning to adapt to a small living space, and being self-sufficient. But the rewards more than make up for it. You'll gain a sense of self-sufficiency, self-reliance, and confidence that you might not have had before.
So why not take the plunge and sell your house to buy a sailboat? Life is short, and there's a whole world out there waiting to be explored. With a sailboat, you have the freedom to go wherever your heart desires, and the opportunity to experience the ultimate adventure.
Did you find the argument convincing?
 

HGCC

Well-Known Member
I did mean that as a serious question. I haven't seen the AIs put out a convincing argument yet. Like when chatgpt "wrote" a masters level thesis...how shitty was that school and those professors. The results you get out of it are barely as good as a Wikipedia article.

It is interesting as a language model, it's pretty great and understanding what you ask...but all the answers are just the first few Google results and I have yet to see it produce any insight into a topic.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
I did mean that as a serious question. I haven't seen the AIs put out a convincing argument yet. Like when chatgpt "wrote" a masters level thesis...how shitty was that school and those professors. The results you get out of it are barely as good as a Wikipedia article.

It is interesting as a language model, it's pretty great and understanding what you ask...but all the answers are just the first few Google results and I have yet to see it produce any insight into a topic.
insight is linked to imagination, of which AI has none.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I did mean that as a serious question. I haven't seen the AIs put out a convincing argument yet. Like when chatgpt "wrote" a masters level thesis...how shitty was that school and those professors. The results you get out of it are barely as good as a Wikipedia article.

It is interesting as a language model, it's pretty great and understanding what you ask...but all the answers are just the first few Google results and I have yet to see it produce any insight into a topic.
Imagine it running for office …
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Where is Meatball Ron and his white boots leading the massive cleanup operation!
No days on the beach this summer and tourism is gonna take a hit with that stinking mess piled up all along the coast. I wonder how they will dispose of it, since it is supposed to be full of heavy metals.

It's also apparently full of flesh-eating bacteria too...

 
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