The Junk Drawer

printer said:

Someone was trying to scam me on Facebook. Nice to see they are still operating.

Intensive Community Assistance And Development Program

Intensive Community Assistance And Development Program. 67 likes. Community Organization

www.facebook.com

They used my brother in law's name and started a new account with it and asked for a friend request. Since I never talk to him on Facebook I did not remember accepting a request from him and did for the 'new' him.


david.XXXXXX.2024 · Facebook
You're friends on Facebook
You are now connected on Messenger
David XXXXXX

You sent
Hi.

David XXXXXX
How are you doing?



You sent
Good.

David XXXXXX
I was just wondering if you have heard about the ongoing intensive community development service?


You sent
no

David XXXXXX

I'm talking about the ongoing program Helping disabled, retired, old unemployed and youths. I got some funds from them last week, i thought you have heard about it ?
You sent
no

David XXXXXX

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100093461407514


Federal government grant
David XXXXXX
You can also apply for the program.

That's the agent info. Click on the link and send them a message now that you want to apply for the ongoing ICDS

You sent
What is the program called?

David XXXXXX
Intensive community development service

You sent
I am having a hard time finding the government web page on the program.


David XXXXXX

Click on the link I sent to you then click on the messenge icon to talk to the agent, she'll help you with all the informations

You sent
Don't you have any paperwork on the program? They would have a letterhead with the check you got.

David XXXXXX
I do, hold on

You sent
Just making diner, I'll be back in a while.


You sent
I'm back


David XXXXXX
ICDS

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That's the form I got from the agent

You sent
What do you suggest I use as a business?
David XXXXXX

Your former job if you don't have a business

You sent
Did you find your staple gun? I need to finish those speaker grills for your loving wife.

You sent
OK, that might work. (former job)

David XXXXXX

Did you text the agent?

You sent
Not yet, I am eating in front of the screen.

David XXXXXX
OK.

You sent
Did you find the stapler?

David XXXXXX
Not yet.

You sent
Darn. I bought some staples but they do not fit in mibne

David XXXXXX
I'll let you know as soon as possible.

You sent
Heck, I'll just walk over in a couple of minutes.

David XXXXXX
OK

You sent
Does your doorbel work yet?

David XXXXXX
Yes it does.


You can text the agent now before it get too late I pray

you got qualified and still keep me posted on what ever the agent says and make sure that when you receive your money from her pay off all your old bills and save the rest like i did cause i think is part of life time opportunity don't miss use it...congrats to you

You sent
Heck, I'll throw a party.

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The real 'David' would draw blood if he used a staple gun, mostly useless as a brother in law. The loving wife thing? Ha ha ha...

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Sativied said:

Where does this fall on the idiot-imbecile scale... the absolute and complete moronic anti-immigration sentiment and its effects in the real world.

I mentioned ASML a few times in this thread, in regards to US and EU pressuring NL to stop selling their printers to China. Printers needed to make the most advanced chips. Everything from your smartphone to generative AI, it would not exist in its current form without ASML. Taiwan.... would be China already. Fuck cheese, windmills, Max Verstappen and the color orange. ASML is the dutch national pride. A spin-off of Philips, largest company of NL, one of largest in Europe. Revenue roughly the same as our nation's anual budget... It's also a strategic asset in geopolitics.

Currently, for the first 5 years, expats, that is foreign workers, aka immigrants, don't have to pay taxes on the first 30% of their income, for 5 years. If that sounds like some unfair advantage, check out the housing costs and cost of living, not to mention cost relocating. Given the huge housing shortage, that tax break is somehow considered an unfair advantage on the housing market (in Amsterdam they complain the americans and others and others steal their precious inner city homes...) and with the anti-immigrant party having won the elections on promises to curb immigration, this is the result:

Dutch government tries to stop ASML from moving out

The Netherlands is increasingly tightening its anti-migrant position. That could push out its largest company, ASML, because of its high dependence on foreign talent.

www.euronews.com

It's strange, back in the day white people destroyed entire forests to create ships to go to Africa and Asia to collect brown people to work for them cheaply, now they walk all this way and suddenly people are like no, you're stealing our jobs and our houses.

We're still sorta in between previous and next government so the previous one (team Rutte) is trying to prevent it but it looks bad. Macron as well as the Germans are ready to pay billions to ASML to come over or create a division. They'll build roads and entire cities if needed.

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Sativied said:

Where does this fall on the idiot-imbecile scale... the absolute and complete moronic anti-immigration sentiment and its effects in the real world.

I mentioned ASML a few times in this thread, in regards to US and EU pressuring NL to stop selling their printers to China. Printers needed to make the most advanced chips. Everything from your smartphone to generative AI, it would not exist in its current form without ASML. Taiwan.... would be China already. Fuck cheese, windmills, Max Verstappen and the color orange. ASML is the dutch national pride. A spin-off of Philips, largest company of NL, one of largest in Europe. Revenue roughly the same as our nation's anual budget... It's also a strategic asset in geopolitics.

Currently, for the first 5 years, expats, that is foreign workers, aka immigrants, don't have to pay taxes on the first 30% of their income, for 5 years. If that sounds like some unfair advantage, check out the housing costs and cost of living, not to mention cost relocating. Given the huge housing shortage, that tax break is somehow considered an unfair advantage on the housing market (in Amsterdam they complain the americans and others and others steal their precious inner city homes...) and with the anti-immigrant party having won the elections on promises to curb immigration, this is the result:

Dutch government tries to stop ASML from moving out

The Netherlands is increasingly tightening its anti-migrant position. That could push out its largest company, ASML, because of its high dependence on foreign talent.

www.euronews.com

It's strange, back in the day white people destroyed entire forests to create ships to go to Africa and Asia to collect brown people to work for them cheaply, now they walk all this way and suddenly people are like no, you're stealing our jobs and our houses.

We're still sorta in between previous and next government so the previous one (team Rutte) is trying to prevent it but it looks bad. Macron as well as the Germans are ready to pay billions to ASML to come over or create a division. They'll build roads and entire cities if needed.

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Fogdog said:

Citing a line from this paper,

"Right‐wing populist parties (RWPPs) view immigration as a threat to national identity and cultural and political cohesion."

Missing from that statement is any reference to economic well being. If NL's right wingers are anything like those in the US, they have had it pretty good for a long time. The median family income of Trump voters is almost double the US median family income. Maybe they forgot that "national identity and cultural and political cohesion" doesn't put food on the table or pay the bills. Maybe they forgot what it takes to succeed.

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CCGNZ said:

Does the same feeling pervade accepting new citizens/immigrants possessing world class football talent?

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cannabineer said:

If we posit that the objective of RWPPs is overthrow, I see this as an unspoken admission that these actors are deliberately enabling injury to the economy. A financially strained voting public is more easily led to internalize the propaganda, then take it to the ballot box.

The German lesson of ninety-one years ago applies.

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Fogdog said:

There are a few similarities to the German lesson in 1933, mostly that a populist political party called up hatred of minority groups and convinced a large voting bloc that they threatened their culture and wellbeing. Trump even uses the exact same language and emotional appeals in his speeches as that other man. Maybe the same thing is happening in some EU countries too.

What I don't see is the same economic distress that was going on in Germany at the time. Trump and certain right wing populists in Europe talk as if the sky is falling but Europe's and the US's economies are pretty strong and have been for nearly forty years. As you point out, there doesn't seem to be any concern for what right wing authoritarian policies do to a country's economy among western populist politicians. Just looking at the issue that Sativied posted about, I'm wondering how well the economic risk to NL is understood by the base of the political party that seems to be driving ASML away. If they are farmers, do they care? Maybe they should, if they want their children to have a good life or maybe they think that farming is the way toward prosperity. Which brings me to the question of what the base of the US populist political party is thinking when they support cutting funding to schools. Do they think that by ending immigration into this country, agricultural worker's wages and conditions will improve enough so that their kids can prosper when they can barely add and subtract?

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Fogdog said:

There are a few similarities to the German lesson in 1933, mostly that a populist political party called up hatred of minority groups and convinced a large voting bloc that they threatened their culture and wellbeing. Trump even uses the exact same language and emotional appeals in his speeches as that other man. Maybe the same thing is happening in some EU countries too.

What I don't see is the same economic distress that was going on in Germany at the time. Trump and certain right wing populists in Europe talk as if the sky is falling but Europe's and the US's economies are pretty strong and have been for nearly forty years. As you point out, there doesn't seem to be any concern for what right wing authoritarian policies do to a country's economy among western populist politicians. Just looking at the issue that Sativied posted about, I'm wondering how well the economic risk to NL is understood by the base of the political party that seems to be driving ASML away. If they are farmers, do they care? Maybe they should, if they want their children to have a good life or maybe they think that farming is the way toward prosperity. Which brings me to the question of what the base of the US populist political party is thinking when they support cutting funding to schools. Do they think that by ending immigration into this country, agricultural worker's wages and conditions will improve enough so that their kids can prosper when they can barely add and subtract?

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Fogdog said:

Citing a line from this paper,

"Right‐wing populist parties (RWPPs) view immigration as a threat to national identity and cultural and political cohesion."

Missing from that statement is any reference to economic well being. If NL's right wingers are anything like those in the US, they have had it pretty good for a long time. The median family income of Trump voters is almost double the US median family income. Maybe they forgot that "national identity and cultural and political cohesion" doesn't put food on the table or pay the bills. Maybe they forgot what it takes to succeed.

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Sativied said:

Trump and Wilders (our far-right blondie who won the elections) can trade anti-immigration lines and they’ll both still sound the same. “Close the borders, a (muslim-) tsunami of immigrants, criminals and rapists, start using live ammo during riots…“ Wilders has been at it for decades though.

It’s a very similar situation, especially given that right-wingers includes big and small corp (nearly 20% of the workforce is at least partly self-employment) and the not-at-all-poor farmers and the christians who insist Jesus was white. And also the deplorables. I don’t think it’s double here but aside from a small minority people still have it ‘pretty good’. Average financial wealth per citizen is 50% higher than in Belgium, which ranks second in EU... So it’s all relative anyway.

People buying Lays and Heinz at premium rates, 3 or more different streaming service subscriptions, the latest pocket super computers and a tablet for themselves and every kid old enough to hold one up, a seemingly endless amount of jobs available, 15bucks minimum wage, practically free healthcare, practically free education for their kids, government pension… those people whine how things used to be better. Still get free money, a house and health insurance if you’re poor, just like the immigrants. It’s been said current generations unlike previous don’t have it better than their parents... lol right…

“As part-time champions of Europe, the Dutch work an average of 29 hours per week — the lowest of any industrialized nation, according to the OECD. (The average American, by comparison, works roughly 43 hours per week.)”

But yeah, that’s what Wilders is all about, “national identity and cultural cohesion”. sounds like a basis for repopulation theory. Our national identity, if anything, is multiculti. It’s not like some white shithole in the east where they get upset over a sudden influx of poc, it’s like New York saying we need to protect our identity and rents from increasing further by blaming immigrants.

The legit grievance is the housing crisis, it’s extreme, but it’s not caused by immigrants, neither refugees or expats. I have a conspiracy theory where a few thousand rich families in NL, the elite, the 1% that owns 27% of the wealth, who heavily invested (in the neo-liberal sense @cannabineer) in real estate, don’t want the housing crisis solved. “Housemilkers”… that needs no explanation. That high average wealth comes from home ownership and ever increasing value of real estate, it’s partly a bubble.

Over a quarter of homes in NL are social housing, for rent, former government service, privatized in the 90s to encourage market forces. The new private owners figured out not building new homes increases value of their current assets. It still requires a waiting list, anywhere from a few years up to 16 years or longer depending on the region/city. Immigrants who received status are given priority (housing is a right). So people see a home, often large and renewed isolated with solar panels, floor heatimg and heatpumps, in their neighborhood or town being given to ‘foreigners’ instead of their adult kids or themselves. That stings for some. A 100k Ukrainians exacerbated the shortage in already one of the most densely populated EU nations. But then, who’s going to build those homes if not immigrants and foreign workers… ah yes, bricklaying robots:

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This issue is why Rutte’s cabinet fell last year. Pretty much over nothing. He couldn’t get the coalition, in particular some christians, to agree with a new immigration law that would restrict family reunification migrants from also getting more family over. An issue that in reality happens so rarely it’s a complete non-issue. It’s also why a new cabinet hasn’t been formed yet, disagreement over immigration.

If you read @cannabineer’s posts on neo-liberalism, that‘s what happened. Rutte is a self-proclaimed Reagan and Tatcher fan when it comes to economics. It made the rich richer and resulted in downsizing of social services and the welfare state. But yeah, they still got it pretty good and it’s definitely not going to get better with far-right at the wheel. What we need is a swing back to left, not further right.

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Fogdog said:

Just looking at the issue that Sativied posted about, I'm wondering how well the economic risk to NL is understood by the base of the political party that seems to be driving ASML away.

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Fogdog said:

What I don't see is the same economic distress that was going on in Germany at the time.

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OldMedUser said:

Here in Canada immigration is being blamed by many for the housing crisis but we made a mess of that ourselves.

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Sativied said:

Indirectly there are hundreds of other companies and tens of thousands of people making a good living providing services and supplies to ASML. Most of the base definitely doesn’t understand how much they too indirectly profit from international trade. What cannabineer said applies here too, but it’s only relatively here, the rich got richer, but even the small percentage below poverty threshold isn’t like poor poor. They supposedly have a problem with so much money going to address climate change, but don’t realize who effectively pays for it and who reaps the benefits. Floorheating… not just in the livingroom, pretty much everywhere.

It largely remains unclear what exactly the far-right voters want aside from not left again, what type of society they envision is better than what we got. And for who…


Now imagine how popular far-right and impopular immigrants would, or god forbid will, be if something like that happens. Another pandemic, ww3…


I said before I find it straight up suspicious we have such similar problems. I noticed your housing prices are even more insane but aside from that it’s like a copied-and-pasted problem.

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