The problem with libs/dems

They are very effective in many ways, I agree. They can be safe too, for sure. My story is just that, my story.

Drop That Sound said:

People are forced to get injected every day, from elderly people in nursing homes, to 3 month old babies.

Yes forced, held down against their will, and injected while they scream please no.

I could show you thousands of video clips of it happening if you don't beLieve it.

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Children, sure. Parents make the choice not the kid. Same goes when an elderly person is ruled incompetent and their guardian makes the decision.

The latter case is pretty rare, though.

I don't understand why you are obsessing over a safe and effective preventative treatment being given. Are you going subject us to another fictional what if scenario?

That said, I'm fine with you or anybody else not getting vaccinated. It doesn't matter to me if you want to take that kind of risk. That said, when enough people in a community refuse preventative vaccines like the measles vaccine, innocent people are harmed. All due to an unjustified belief. Choices have consequences.

Grampah said:

I’m Canadian, but libs and dems are still the most hypocritical idiots on the political spectrum

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sweeping statement

logic fail.

Your post points the word, idiot, back at you.

Grampah said:

I’m Canadian, but libs and dems are still the most hypocritical idiots on the political spectrum

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You said you were leaving

I like thinking about what if scenarios..

Like, what if the bogus measles hoax a few years back (you know, where only a few people had so called measles, that caused 95% of school kids to have to get vaccinated across the US.. I think with a live virus strain (and so with aborted fetal tissues and whatnot), is what actually caused the common cold virus to mutate. Evolve into the coof 19 virus, which officially started like 2 or so months later, just after the final measles shots were rolled out?

Budley Doright said:

Trump makes laugh. Provided many hours of gut wrenching laughter actually, thank you for that.

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Many hours? You must be a fan. Was it the cheap gas or the reasonable pricing on goods that made you chuckle?

Fogdog said:

Employers have the right to make vaccinations a condition of employment within legal constraints. If you believe the woo woo myths about the vaccine, you can refuse and can go work somewhere else. No employer is forcing people to get vaccinated. Not even the military.

Whoever told you that people were being forced to get vaccinated -- you should start listening to them with skepticism. They are either wrong or trying to manipulate you with lies.

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It's trudeau who put in the vaxx mandate for federal employees,it's hard to stop listening when the countries leader does it as he did with nurses and hospital workers,

Fogdog said:

Nobody was forced to take the vaccine. This is a fact and not subject to debate. Your windbag post is just pissing in the wind.

Are you telling me that in Canada, people were held down and forced to get vaccinated?

I don't think so.

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you been asleep the last cple years? Ask the thousands of nurses and med workers,wtf do you think the protests are about? And the ones that got fired also were refused UI benefits. news headline: Trudeau: Unvaccinated Accepted 'Consequences' Like Losing Jobs and Access To Domestic Travel

This is an ongoing problem with Republicans.


Rigged, Recount!

Bongoloid said:

you been asleep the last cple years? Ask the thousands of nurses and med workers,wtf do you think the protests are about? And the ones that got fired also were refused UI benefits. news headline: Trudeau: Unvaccinated Accepted 'Consequences' Like Losing Jobs and Access To Domestic Travel

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Not a one was forced to get the vaccine. It was a condition of employment. Like showing up on time. Do it or don't. Your choice.

Fogdog said:

Not a one was forced to get the vaccine. It was a condition of employment. Like showing up on time. Do it or don't. Your choice.

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The countries health care system was completely along with policing and emergency services. Imagine if they all said no, an entire country in a state of anarchy. Given people didn’t want to lose their homes, they were forced to if they didn’t want to willingly. All other industries were limited capacity, reduced staff available to work, forced to be closed because they weren’t “essential”. You can call it condition of employment when the real words coercion.

Fogdog said:

Not a one was forced to get the vaccine. It was a condition of employment. Like showing up on time. Do it or don't. Your choice.

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And let’s be honest, it didn’t even work. I’m vaxxed I’m safe I’m oh shit sick with Covid? Oh well it wasn’t bad so the vax must work but wait the unvaxxed are getting over it equally as well, what’s this the death toll is primarily 80+ and the flu kills as many per year as Covid did, the stats really didn’t change but I better get that booster shot. Covids still around wear your mask be safe, war in Ukraine covids gone, people caring less about the war, a new strain of covids now taking over we don’t know about the severity here comes mandatory booster shots for employment

Grampah said:

The countries health care system was completely along with policing and emergency services. Imagine if they all said no, an entire country in a state of anarchy. Given people didn’t want to lose their homes, they were forced to if they didn’t want to willingly. All other industries were limited capacity, reduced staff available to work, forced to be closed because they weren’t “essential”. You can call it condition of employment when the real words coercion.

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lulz

Antivaxxers. Small loss. A few ass wipers can be replaced. The medical system doesn't need anti-science woo woo believers working in it. Good riddance. I felt the same when a co-worker walked over the issue. I work in a high tech R&D lab. There is no room for people who believe the tech needed to enable our society to function is magic. What we are seeing and what I believe has you so enraged is your kind are losing economic and social status because, let's face it, you aren't able to succeed in the 21st century.

People go to work in order to make money that is needed to house, feed, clothe the family and educate the kids. Isn't that coercion too? If you want to just do whatever you like, do it on your own dime.

Grampah said:

And let’s be honest, it didn’t even work. I’m vaxxed I’m safe I’m oh shit sick with Covid? Oh well it wasn’t bad so the vax must work but wait the unvaxxed are getting over it equally as well, what’s this the death toll is primarily 80+ and the flu kills as many per year as Covid did, the stats really didn’t change but I better get that booster shot. Covids still around wear your mask be safe, war in Ukraine covids gone, people caring less about the war, a new strain of covids now taking over we don’t know about the severity here comes mandatory booster shots for employment

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lulz

Actually, the Covid vaccines do work. No vaccine is 100% effective and nobody said they were. Health data show the vaccine prevented millions from becoming sick with Covid. Long Covid is a different story. Vaccinated or not, about 20% of people who get infected with Covid-19, most of whom didn't get sick, come down with longer term issues due to their immune system's response to the infection. Which is why I'm still wearing a mask. And, by the way, I've never been infected with Covid. I'm still following social distancing guidelines and wear a mask at work. Not that I look down on people who got infected. It happens.

I'm not going to moralize about "bad choices" like you do. People who don't wear a mask are making a choice. Choices have consequences. People who aren't careful will get infected 1 to 3 times a year. For those who are vaccinated, their chances of becoming seriously ill is miniscule compared to unvaccinated. This is fact and not debatable.

I do look down on anti-science fools who willfully ignore or deny data available on the subject. Yeah, I guess I just called you an idiot.

Fogdog said:

lulz

Antivaxxers. Small loss. A few ass wipers can be replaced. The medical system doesn't need anti-science woo woo believers working in it. Good riddance. I felt the same when a co-worker walked over the issue. I work in a high tech R&D lab. There is no room for people who believe the tech needed to enable our society to function is magic. What we are seeing and what I believe has you so enraged is your kind are losing economic and social status because, let's face it, you aren't able to succeed in the 21st century.

People go to work in order to make money that is needed to house, feed, clothe the family and educate the kids. Isn't that coercion too? If you want to just do whatever you like, do it on your own dime.

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Dude I’m vaxed but I do t see the point in getting boosters when they haven’t actually prevented those with it from getting ill. Most people who get it have such mild symptoms even the unvaxxed fair extremely well. There’s little protection it offers and was the worlds largest experimental study to date. But considering professional athletes are having heart issues and not being able to complete matches after receiving the vax you gotta question what exactly it’s doing to the body. Childrens myocarditis is up like 900% or something crazy. You want to believe so badly that your govt would never do something that harms the public for profits you’re turning a blind eye to what’s being reported. Given the facts that Covid deaths were virtually equal to that of the flu annually it’s not like it’s something to be terrified of. You want to wear a mask and boost up by all means go ahead but it’s not changing anything, if you’re going to get it you’re going to get it and odds are you won’t even know because it’ll be the sniffles and a cough you attribute to post nasal drip. More than feasible you’ve had that a few times this year already and odds are one was omicron but you didn’t feel bad enough to take any concern

Fogdog said:

lulz

Actually, the Covid vaccines do work. No vaccine is 100% effective and nobody said they were. Health data show the vaccine prevented millions from becoming sick with Covid. Long Covid is a different story. Vaccinated or not, about 20% of people who get infected with Covid-19, most of whom didn't get sick, come down with longer term issues due to their immune system's response to the infection. Which is why I'm still wearing a mask. And, by the way, I've never been infected with Covid. I'm still following social distancing guidelines and wear a mask at work. Not that I look down on people who got infected. It happens.

I'm not going to moralize about "bad choices" like you do. People who don't wear a mask are making a choice. Choices have consequences. People who aren't careful will get infected 1 to 3 times a year. For those who are vaccinated, their chances of becoming seriously ill is miniscule compared to unvaccinated. This is fact and not debatable.

I do look down on anti-science fools who willfully ignore or deny data available on the subject. Yeah, I guess I just called you an idiot.

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Also you’re gonna wanna ask yourself who has stakes in saying an experimental vax prevented millions from death, anyone and everyone who told people it was safe to take and could be held accountable for pushing it on their people. The same people who also profited from the sales and spent billions of tax payers dollars on the vax. To just up and believe it is like putting a blind gold on and driving. Reckless thinking. What I can tell you from personal acquaintances is that the household caught Covid, the mother and father and eldest son who’s 5 all got sick, the youngest who’s 4 and unvaxxed never tested positive despite being cared for by both the mother and father and playing with his sibling throughout the entire duration. The eldest son was sick for 3 days having had his first shot, the father being double vaxxed was good after 5 days and the mother who’s triple vaxxed had 3 weeks of illness. Seems to me the more vax in your system the more prolonged your symptoms are

Grampah said:

Also you’re gonna wanna ask yourself who has stakes in saying an experimental vax prevented millions from death, anyone and everyone who told people it was safe to take and could be held accountable for pushing it on their people. The same people who also profited from the sales and spent billions of tax payers dollars on the vax. To just up and believe it is like putting a blind gold on and driving. Reckless thinking. What I can tell you from personal acquaintances is that the household caught Covid, the mother and father and eldest son who’s 5 all got sick, the youngest who’s 4 and unvaxxed never tested positive despite being cared for by both the mother and father and playing with his sibling throughout the entire duration. The eldest son was sick for 3 days having had his first shot, the father being double vaxxed was good after 5 days and the mother who’s triple vaxxed had 3 weeks of illness. Seems to me the more vax in your system the more prolonged your symptoms are

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what a wall of unhinged dreck.

There is plenty of good information available about these vaccines. I've read the pro and con statements. Most of the con statements are just that. You are either a con or been conned. Here is a good site for information about the covid vaccine:


I'm supposed to believe your story? lulz. Go find an idiot like yourself to tell it to. Maybe you can con them. You must be crazy to think that people with practically no knowledge on the subject are better sources of information than the CDC.

That anti-vax truck convoy BS. It was propaganda stunt, funded by fascist US money. I loved how Canadians gave them the cold shoulder. It was a PR flop. Good for Canada. Good for Canada that they reject the fakery and hatred that is infecting the US. Make America Great Again. Reject fascism in the US. Vote Republicans out.

Fogdog said:

what a wall of unhinged dreck.

There is plenty of good information available about these vaccines. I've read the pro and con statements. Most of the con statements are just that. You are either a con or been conned. Here is a good site for information about the covid vaccine:

COVID-19 Vaccination

COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.

www.cdc.gov

I'm supposed to believe your story? lulz. Go find an idiot like yourself to tell it to. Maybe you can con them. You must be crazy to think that people with practically no knowledge on the subject are better sources of information than the CDC.

That anti-vax truck convoy BS. It was propaganda stunt, funded by fascist US money. I loved how Canadians gave them the cold shoulder. It was a PR flop. Good for Canada. Good for Canada that they reject the fakery and hatred that is infecting the US. Make America Great Again. Reject fascism in the US. Vote Republicans out.

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I’ll have a look at your source but I doubt we’ll see eye to eye on the subject. Like I said I got my vax and I know plenty of vaxed who got sick and plenty of unvaxed who got sick as well, everyone seems to have faired the same. Some people eat up the dribble coming from the news, the internet, whatever printed or visual word they prefer, I just talk to people because I have the luxury of roaming around with work do service calls. It’s all been the same responses, couple days were shitty and I was super tired but it really wasn’t any worse than the last time I had the flu or bronchitis. It’d be nice if there was a site where people could rate their experience on a 1-10 scale and we could see the public opinion, maybe there is I’ve never looked

In a quick check no, just 5 people talking about how terrible and scary it was. That’s the problem, there’s no large demographic response of their experience with it.

I see two fatal flaws in the argument presented.

1) the presentation of anecdote as data. It is easy to find anecdotal instances that contradict even a robust trend.

2) false dichotomy: “it works 100%, or not”. The dishonesty of this premise is well-illustrated by seat belts in cars. Data from here:
So they reduce injuries by 60% in cars and 45% in light trucks.

Using the above travesty of logic, seat belts don’t work.

Thus a 90% effective vaccine cannot be spun as ineffective, unless you’ve spent so much time in the GQP alt-fact kaleidoscope that your faculties of rational thought are gone.

Grampah said:

Dude I’m vaxed but I do t see the point in getting boosters when they haven’t actually prevented those with it from getting ill. Most people who get it have such mild symptoms even the unvaxxed fair extremely well. There’s little protection it offers and was the worlds largest experimental study to date. But considering professional athletes are having heart issues and not being able to complete matches after receiving the vax you gotta question what exactly it’s doing to the body. Childrens myocarditis is up like 900% or something crazy. You want to believe so badly that your govt would never do something that harms the public for profits you’re turning a blind eye to what’s being reported. Given the facts that Covid deaths were virtually equal to that of the flu annually it’s not like it’s something to be terrified of. You want to wear a mask and boost up by all means go ahead but it’s not changing anything, if you’re going to get it you’re going to get it and odds are you won’t even know because it’ll be the sniffles and a cough you attribute to post nasal drip. More than feasible you’ve had that a few times this year already and odds are one was omicron but you didn’t feel bad enough to take any concern

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The boosters have been shown to prevent serious illness from Covid infection.

The risk from myocarditis due to the vaccine is miniscule compared to the risk of myocarditis when infected with Covid. This is a fact and not open to debate. Reams of very good information is available on this. But you won't read it so I won't attach a link. But do let me know if you want to open your mind and I'll send you some links.

I was skeptical about the vaccines. The difference between my skepticism and what you suffer from -- cynicism is the starting point. I start with the question -- are these claims true and I check them out, reading both sides of the discussion. A skeptic is a doubter. A cynic is a disbeliever. Your statements begin with disbelief and then everything you say goes on to confirm that belief. Regarding these covid vaccines. There is a mountain of good information and test data that show they are safe and effective. The antivaxx stuff is very weak and relies on cherry picked small sample sets. Your story "about this household I know", for example. First off, it's not verifiable, so I can't use the information. Second, the mountain of data only shows the benefits outweigh the risks. Nobody says "100% effective". The health experts on the subject say "far less risk than if not vaccinated". Maybe you can't understand the difference. I don't disbelieve your story about that family. I just say, if true, it doesn't mean anything one way or the other.

Speaking of your cynicism and disbelief. I have not been infected with Covid. You have no basis for disbelieving me. I follow CDC guidelines -- all of them, not just masking up and I've never tested positive for Covid, nor have I ever had any symptoms. I could have been infected and not had any symptoms. If you want to go with that as your basis of disbelieving me, it's a free world. Clutch your baseless belief tightly.

But I'm not going to moralize about your choices to not mask up or socially distance. I'm not going to say you could reduce the risk of exposure and I'm not going to complain about the costs to society caused by people not taking precautions. I'm just saying I follow CDC guidelines and haven't caught the virus yet. How many times have you been infected? I hear people say they have caught Covid several times already. But I'm not saying they are bad people. Careless, yes, but it's their choice. Choices have consequences.