The Ultimate Growing Competition

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Kushash

Kushash

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H.A.F. said:
Yup! Thanks for looking! That's the two crappy pics I found too LOL
It resembles both a Mn abundance or a B deficiency, but looks most like the #3 note on Boron. Since I've been easy on the feedings I am leaning towards deficiency - so Boron makes sense there as well.

This pic was from 5/9, and it doesn't look any worse now, so it may already have been addressed last feeding?

Unless stuff goes sideways quick I'm not doing anything for 3 days, so input is welcome.
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More info further back on your feedings might help.
What were your ppm's or E/C during the transition from veg formula to the flower formula.
I don't use the nutes you are using but in general you should transition slowly, staying on a veg formula early in flower and slowly changing to the flower formula over the 1st 3 weeks of flower.
Are you feeding based on a chart?

Did you have the lights to close in the past week or so because the damage may be visible now but what caused it may have been a week or 10 days prior to seeing necrotic spots.

I look forward to hearing what Dyna-Gro says before speculating any further.

I felt bad when I saw those necrotic spots.
I thought it was my fault when I cursed you in the other thread but I didn't request necrotic spots, I asked for thrips so it wasn't me.

I think you were cursed by Big Perm when he put you up as his favorite in this comp recently.
If he retracts that statement I think the curse will be lifted.

Good Luck! :peace:
 
H.A.F.

H.A.F.

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Kushash said:
More info further back on your feedings might help.
What were your ppm's or E/C during the transition from veg formula to the flower formula.
I don't use the nutes you are using but in general you should transition slowly, staying on a veg formula early in flower and slowly changing to the flower formula over the 1st 3 weeks of flower.
Are you feeding based on a chart?

Did you have the lights to close in the past week or so because the damage may be visible now but what caused it may have been a week or 10 days prior to seeing necrotic spots.

I look forward to hearing what Dyna-Gro says before speculating any further.

I felt bad when I saw those necrotic spots.
I thought it was my fault when I cursed you in the other thread but I didn't request necrotic spots, I asked for thrips so it wasn't me.

I think you were cursed by Big Perm when he put you up as his favorite in this comp recently.
If he retracts that statement I think the curse will be lifted.

Good Luck! :peace:
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Fortunately, most of those Q's can be answered by the fact that the other 3 plants don't show it - so I KNOW it's nutes and not environment.
All feeding/transition schedules have been followed, all feeds at 75% after the first veg and the first flower feed which were 50% by the schedule.

And because I am growing 4 separate schedules I am not deviating from them unless necessary (like this) and the ppm's each time have been IAW the recommended ppm on their chart. It just sucks knowing that even if it's already fixed the leaves won't get better. So it's hard to know if it has been fixed unless it just doesn't get worse.

I don't think Boron was one of the biblical plagues, but I could be wrong, so I think BP's off the hook.
 
homebrewer

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H.A.F. said:
Fortunately, most of those Q's can be answered by the fact that the other 3 plants don't show it - so I KNOW it's nutes and not environment.
All feeding/transition schedules have been followed, all feeds at 75% after the first veg and the first flower feed which were 50% by the schedule.

And because I am growing 4 separate schedules I am not deviating from them unless necessary (like this) and the ppm's each time have been IAW the recommended ppm on their chart. It just sucks knowing that even if it's already fixed the leaves won't get better. So it's hard to know if it has been fixed unless it just doesn't get worse.
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You're assuming the schedules of nutrient manufacturers are optimally designed to grow plants rather than to sell bottles. DG is probably my favorite plant food company but outside of one of their complete base nutrients like Grow or Foliage Pro, none of their other bottles are needed. Those other bottles *could* be beneficial in certain situations when used correctly but it takes an experienced grower with an understanding of plant nutrition to know when (if at all) to use them.

In regards to a 'boron deficiency', their base already supplies it so you can rule that out. What you cannot rule out is operator error. I mean no offense by that statement and I'd be happy to go into more detail after the competition ;)
 
Kushash

Kushash

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H.A.F. said:
Fortunately, most of those Q's can be answered by the fact that the other 3 plants don't show it - so I KNOW it's nutes and not environment.
All feeding/transition schedules have been followed, all feeds at 75% after the first veg and the first flower feed which were 50% by the schedule.

And because I am growing 4 separate schedules I am not deviating from them unless necessary (like this) and the ppm's each time have been IAW the recommended ppm on their chart. It just sucks knowing that even if it's already fixed the leaves won't get better. So it's hard to know if it has been fixed unless it just doesn't get worse.

I don't think Boron was one of the biblical plagues, but I could be wrong, so I think BP's off the hook.
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I agree with @homebrewer.
I really like the yes and no chart Dyna-Gro posted.
When I went through it answering yes or no it took me to the red box that I thought your problem was all along.
If you do the yes and no I wonder if you will end up at the same box???
 
H.A.F.

H.A.F.

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Kushash said:
I agree with @homebrewer.
I really like the yes and no chart Dyna-Gro posted.
When I went through it answering yes or no it took me to the red box that I thought your problem was all along.
If you do the yes and no I wonder if you will end up at the same box???
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I have that chart as well, and it keeps ending up at a nutrient problem "Your plant may be getting the wrong ratio of nutrients..."
Like I said, I have been gentle with the nutes, so a deficiency is likely. The DG has 0.02 of Boron, which if diluted enough - ain't 0.02...

I have only been growing for a year-ish, but I read a lot, and am also kollege edjumakated. As any new grower, I also have had plenty of issues - you can't fix those without a lot of reading and understanding. I have only had one repeated issue, which I finally tied to a cal-mag shortage. (I was cutting it by % like the nutes). I have been growing fairly healthy plants since. This is just a new issue - hell, DG can use the picture for a "nute-damage" guide if they want. Of all the issues I have had this is by far the least ugly ;)

The other 3 plants are getting Botanicare Cal-Mag+ both as a supplement to my RO, and extra as called for by their feeding schedule during parts of the grow. It is likely that the Mag-Pro is just being shorted, so I have gone to the full dose per gallon plus, like the rest, maybe a week ago when I first saw this - it just doesn't look like the other cal-mag issues I have had (brown spots that grow) so it piqued my curiosity.
 
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I have also learned not to stress too much over fan leaf issues once they are flowering (as long as it doesn't spread or affect new leaves). When it starts affecting the sugar leaves I go into overdrive flushing and whatnot ;)

I appreciate all the input. Karma dudes ;)
 
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Kushash

Kushash

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H.A.F. said:
I have that chart as well, and it keeps ending up at a nutrient problem "Your plant may be getting the wrong ratio of nutrients..."
Like I said, I have been gentle with the nutes, so a deficiency is likely. The DG has 0.02 of Boron, which if diluted enough - ain't 0.02...

I have only been growing for a year-ish, but I read a lot, and am also kollege edjumakated. As any new grower, I also have had plenty of issues - you can't fix those without a lot of reading and understanding. I have only had one repeated issue, which I finally tied to a cal-mag shortage. (I was cutting it by % like the nutes). I have been growing fairly healthy plants since. This is just a new issue - hell, DG can use the picture for a "nute-damage" guide if they want. Of all the issues I have had this is by far the least ugly ;)

The other 3 plants are getting Botanicare Cal-Mag+ both as a supplement to my RO, and extra as called for by their feeding schedule during parts of the grow. It is likely that the Mag-Pro is just being shorted, so I have gone to the full dose per gallon plus, like the rest, maybe a week ago when I first saw this - it just doesn't look like the other cal-mag issues I have had (brown spots that grow) so it piqued my curiosity.
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H.A.F. said:
I have also learned not to stress too much over fan leaf issues once they are flowering (as long as it doesn't spread or affect new leaves). When it starts affecting the sugar leaves I go into overdrive flushing and whatnot ;)

I appreciate all the input. Karma dudes ;)
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Got a nice buzz and enjoyed reading this.
Karma! I love good karma and really appreciate what you are doing this grow.
Growing with 4 different formulas is quite an effort and chore.
I want to learn from your grow and I like your skills.
I know you are at an early stage of growing and you are smart or as you say kollege edjumakated lol.

Seriously I want to help you but also need to kick your ass in this comp. ;) ;).

We have lots of time to chat over the next several weeks.
Anyway you said you had a few days before feeding and you gave me a box. I'm stoned and all I know is it's not the same box as mine so I'll go back and see where you took a right hand turn and I took a left lol.

OK! I just caught up to where we went in different directions.
You are choosing:
"Your plant may be getting the wrong ratio of nutrients, before anything else provide plants with base nutrients made for a setup like yours."
Is this correct?
I ended up at a different box.
I think where we went in different directions is at:
Are leaves unhealthy or discolored?
I said yes you said no.
Am I on the right track so far?
 
H.A.F.

H.A.F.

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Kushash said:
Am I on the right track so far?
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Yes! And I debated that one, but in general they are not. Though it is/was in the early stages. Here's a current pic, and all the plants seem happy, none more or less than the other. The DG is to the far right, and loving life like the rest.
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As a new but somewhat experienced grower, here's my flow chart so far.
  • If it was the environment, then it is how the environment affects the DG nutes different than the others. If it was all bad environment, other plants would show it. So environment in and of itself is a no. The rH is a bit higher than I want, but nothing outrageous (60's)
  • most other things can get checked off as well because of the other plants being treated exactly the same (pots, soil, water source, etc.) - except nutes.
  • It has taken me a year to get the handle on how I can best use the FF nutrients.
  • this is my first time with the Dynagro nutes.
  • My cat is stalking a moth...
  • My main issue previously was using the RO water and supplementing it properly. I was doing fine on "between" watering's (5ml/gl), but stoner'd the math on feedings by reducing the calmag by whatever percentage I was reducing the nutes.
  • Ever seen a calcium/magnesium abundance problem on a forum? me neither... :wall: problem solved :weed:
  • Assuming it is nutrient related, it is more likely than not a deficiency than a surplus.
  • Since I am using the mag-pro to supplement the water for this plant, it is also most likely stoner math on that - and how that being out of balance affected the nute uptake for whatever micro-nute it wasn't eating.
  • It doesn't seem to be progressing - at least not rapidly
  • I am watching the tops close, and the highest leaf affected, and if it is an ongoing issue affecting the newer leaves.
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So my plan is to flush all 4 plants when they are due for their next feed/water. I will be using sledgehammer on all since the flushing agent wasn't in the DG sample pack. Then either a few hours later or the next day give them all a short feed (low quantity) but with 100% nutes. After that I will revert to a 75% feed, but will up the mag-pro on the DG plant to 5ml/gal plus what is on the feeding schedule.

If there are any glaring stoner mistakes please speak up! You mentioned competition and votes - the "obvious winner" has to vote for who's in second place ;) Karma LOL
 
H.A.F.

H.A.F.

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homebrewer said:
What you cannot rule out is operator error. I mean no offense by that statement and I'd be happy to go into more detail after the competition ;)
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As a grown ass man, I really appreciate patronizing shit, so keep it coming. "and I'd be happy to go into more detail after the competition"

No offense, but you are preachy. I'll just keep enjoying my "damaged" weed.
 
H.A.F.

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@Opie1971 Here's the fun of having a competition - globally - with a dozen or so competitors. Everyone gets to vote! I think the sapphire looks great, but I'll bet you a dollar one of the "ugly" blueberry curly leaf plants smokes the best in the end ;)
 
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Opie1971

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H.A.F. said:
@Opie1971 Here's the fun of having a competition - globally - with a dozen or so competitors. Everyone gets to vote! I think the sapphire looks great, but I'll bet you a dollar one of the "ugly" blueberry curly leaf plants smokes the best in the end ;)
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She’s definitely a weird one, I’ve never seen anything like her no joke.
 
Kushash

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H.A.F. said:
This is the internet - I don't know you other than by what you post.
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Wasn't trying to set you off was trying to have a conversation.
I am surprised you are not curious what box mine was being that it was different from yours.
Still gonna wait for an update from Dyna-Grow customer support.
Diagnosis: decrease the nutes or is it increase the nutes to deal with the deficiencies, time will tell.
 
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