They got the second amendment

Mr_X

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TL;DR - You'll need to be privileged to exercise gun rights.
Thoughts magas and bluehats? This probably isn't going to pass imo.


A gun control bill that Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D–Texas) recently introduced gives you an idea of what Democrats might do if they did not have to worry about the Second Amendment. The Sabika Sheikh Firearm Licensing and Registration Act would establish a national database that is supposed to include every gun in the country, make it a felony to own a firearm or ammunition without a license from the Justice Department, ban magazines that hold more than 10 rounds and "ammunition that is 0.50 caliber or greater," and criminalize possession of a "military-style weapon" without a special license. Violating the bill's provisions would be punishable by hefty fines and long minimum prison sentences, which Lee ordinarily claims to oppose.
The registration requirement applies to both currently owned firearms and guns purchased after the bill takes effect. The bill would give current owners three months to report "the make, model, and serial number of the firearm, the identity of the owner of the firearm, the date the firearm was acquired by the owner, and where the firearm is or will be stored" as well as "the identity of any person to whom, and any period of time during which, the firearm will be loaned to the person." New buyers would have to report that information on the date of purchase. Failure to comply would be punishable by a minimum fine of $75,000, a minimum prison sentence of 15 years, or both.


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schuylaar

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TL;DR - You'll need to be privileged to exercise gun rights.
Thoughts magas and bluehats? This probably isn't going to pass imo.


A gun control bill that Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D–Texas) recently introduced gives you an idea of what Democrats might do if they did not have to worry about the Second Amendment. The Sabika Sheikh Firearm Licensing and Registration Act would establish a national database that is supposed to include every gun in the country, make it a felony to own a firearm or ammunition without a license from the Justice Department, ban magazines that hold more than 10 rounds and "ammunition that is 0.50 caliber or greater," and criminalize possession of a "military-style weapon" without a special license. Violating the bill's provisions would be punishable by hefty fines and long minimum prison sentences, which Lee ordinarily claims to oppose.
The registration requirement applies to both currently owned firearms and guns purchased after the bill takes effect. The bill would give current owners three months to report "the make, model, and serial number of the firearm, the identity of the owner of the firearm, the date the firearm was acquired by the owner, and where the firearm is or will be stored" as well as "the identity of any person to whom, and any period of time during which, the firearm will be loaned to the person." New buyers would have to report that information on the date of purchase. Failure to comply would be punishable by a minimum fine of $75,000, a minimum prison sentence of 15 years, or both.


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did you know that 2A was a result of catholic and protestant trying to keep guns away from each other and had nothing to do with protections against government.

you don't even know history and are fighting blindly because 'you heard'.
 

printer

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Does not sound out of line although the three months to report them might be a problem for people who have a lot of them. Also the guns that are no longer legal, do the people get reimbursed for them? Probably a lot more issues but too lazy to check out what they propose as I do not see it actually passing.
 

garybo

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"The Second Amendment, ratified in 1791, was proposed by James Madison to allow the creation of civilian forces that can counteract a tyrannical federal government. Anti-Federalists believed that a centralized standing military, established by the Constitutional Convention, gave the federal government too much power and potential for violent oppression. "

 

Bagginski

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"The Second Amendment, ratified in 1791, was proposed by James Madison to allow the creation of civilian forces that can counteract a tyrannical federal government. Anti-Federalists believed that a centralized standing military, established by the Constitutional Convention, gave the federal government too much power and potential for violent oppression. "

Let’s not ignore the importance of the fugitive slave patrols.

Let’s also not forget that the PURPOSE of the the 2nd was to PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE *instead* of maintaining a standing army, as you allude. The ability of a *well-regulated* milita to discipline a wayward government loses ALL meaning in the face of a standing army, a professional, well-armed, technologically advanced military - and even moreso when the “militiae” in question are post-apocalyptic cosplayers at best and not “regulated” at all, well or otherwise. Our apparently permanent reliance on continuing resolutions to keep our military staffed and active undercuts any corrective political value in the 2nd amendment.

IMO, if we’re going to strap ourselves to the primal necessity of militia for defense, per the 2nd, then we should unwind the military industrial complex; if we’re really all in with standing armies, then we have a fundamental contradiction in our continuing refusal to obey the constitution on the subject. Simply owning guns doesn’t make one a militiaman, nor does being able to hit a target - any more than owning a gun makes you a hunter, or owning a car makes you a traffic engineer.

BTW...HR127 is a BAD BILL, and it will never pass. It has no co-sponsors, it has no support, if it weren’t for people screaming “LOOK WHAT *THEY* ARE GOING TO DO TO **US**!!!” No one would have ever heard of it, and it would have sunk without a trace. But thanks for the hysteria & pearl-clutching, it keeps the section focused
 
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radiant Rudy

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"The Second Amendment, ratified in 1791, was proposed by James Madison to allow the creation of civilian forces that can counteract a tyrannical federal government. Anti-Federalists believed that a centralized standing military, established by the Constitutional Convention, gave the federal government too much power and potential for violent oppression. "

Hey Britannica scholar thanks for the research
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garybo

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Let’s not ignore the importance of the fugitive slave patrols.

Let’s also not forget that the PURPOSE of the the 2nd was to PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE *instead* of maintaining a standing army, as you allude. The ability of a *well-regulated* milita to discipline a wayward government loses ALL meaning in the face of a standing army, a professional, well-armed, technologically advanced military - and even moreso when the “militiae” in question are post-apocalyptic cosplayers at best and not “regulated” at all, well or otherwise. Our apparently permanent reliance on continuing resolutions to keep our military staffed and active undercuts any corrective political value in the 2nd amendment.

IMO, if we’re going to strap ourselves to the primal necessity of militia for defense, per the 2nd, then we should unwind the military industrial complex; if we’re really all in with standing armies, then we have a fundamental contradiction in our continuing refusal to obey the constitution on the subject. Simply owning guns doesn’t make one a militiaman, nor does being able to hit a target - any more than owning a gun makes you a hunter, or owning a car makes you a traffic engineer.

BTW...HR127 is a BAD BILL, and it will never pass. It has no co-sponsors, it has no support, if it weren’t for people screaming “LOOK WHAT *THEY* ARE GOING TO DO TO **US**!!!” No one would have ever heard of it, and it would have sunk without a trace. But thanks for the hysteria & pearl-clutching, it keeps the section focused
as you allude
Hey, don't shoot the messenger, I just quoted what was written by another.
 
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