They got the second amendment
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TacoMac
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The key item to that law is the 10 round maximum on magazines.
That will never pass because it would cost a fortune to make it retroactive. My 45 holds 10 rounds in the magazine. The typical 9mm magazine holds 12 to 16. These are hand guns we're talking about.
Getting rid of "large capacity magazines" should be done. Large capacity is defined as any magazine used to increase the ammo load beyond the standard design. You don't need 32 rounds of ammo in a single magazine unless you're running a military offensive.
That will never pass because it would cost a fortune to make it retroactive. My 45 holds 10 rounds in the magazine. The typical 9mm magazine holds 12 to 16. These are hand guns we're talking about.
Getting rid of "large capacity magazines" should be done. Large capacity is defined as any magazine used to increase the ammo load beyond the standard design. You don't need 32 rounds of ammo in a single magazine unless you're running a military offensive.
Rob Roy
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Are you for police and / or soldiers using high capacity automatic weapons to forcibly remove them from peaceful, but noncompliant gun owners?
If you are, you aren't for removing them, you are for consolidating them in the hands of people willing to use violence against peaceful people.
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printer
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It is easy to do. Either a spacer block is put in the mag taking up the extra space or a pop rivet is put in.
TacoMac
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Never happen. Ever.
Dryxi
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Add fines and jailtime; I am sure we can convince everyone to say no to guns. *sarcasm
It's a proven method especially when that prohibited something is common and increasingly covers larger demographics every year. We can't even say it's just gun-toting hillbillies that have guns, urban gun sales haven't fallen either.
It's a proven method especially when that prohibited something is common and increasingly covers larger demographics every year. We can't even say it's just gun-toting hillbillies that have guns, urban gun sales haven't fallen either.
TacoMac
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The problem with guns isn't the guns.
It's a complete lack of accountability.
Licensed gun sellers are made to jump through all kinds of hoops, but once that gun is sold there are literally no laws in the vast majority of states to control them.
18 year old grabs an AR15 off the gun rack and shoots up his school, nobody is responsible. Kid is able to buy a used gun with no checks, nobody is responsible.
What we need is simple accountability. Until that happens, guns will always be a problem.
It's a complete lack of accountability.
Licensed gun sellers are made to jump through all kinds of hoops, but once that gun is sold there are literally no laws in the vast majority of states to control them.
18 year old grabs an AR15 off the gun rack and shoots up his school, nobody is responsible. Kid is able to buy a used gun with no checks, nobody is responsible.
What we need is simple accountability. Until that happens, guns will always be a problem.
Sir Napsalot
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My wife's .22 rifle doesn't even have a serial number
TacoMac
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And guns like that are problematic as well.
What we need are universal background checks on ALL sales.
What this will do is slowly start eliminating the illegal gun trade.
It will take decades to start really showing solid results, but it will work. It's worked everywhere It's been used.
Herb & Suds
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Slippery slope blah blah blah my cold dead hands ...
printer
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That works when people think logically. Obviously about half of the US doesn't.
TacoMac
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No, it isn't.Slippery slope blah blah blah my cold dead hands ...
Most illegal guns come from legal buyers.
Look at used guns. You'll see most go for way more than they're worth.
It's the illegal gun trade in plain site.
I can walk in, buy a 500 dollar Glock, walk out and sell it privately for 1000 dollars and it will sell.
There are no requirements for me at all. Now, federal law says I can't sell it to anyone under 21 or a convicted felon, but guess what?
There's absolutely no requirement for me to even ask. At all. There's no paperwork. Nothing.
So when that gun shows up 4 years later at a bank robbery with 3 dead, they'll ask me about that gun.
I'll tell the truth: I sold it to some guy 4 years ago.
And that's that.
That's where we are.
With universal background checks on a sales, I can't do that. Nobody can. Because you will be responsible for that gun. And don't think you'll get off saying it was stolen. Part of universal gun checks is requiring reporting stolen or lost firearms.
It will put the illegal gun dealers out of business permanently. The risk would be so high that the 500 dollar Glock will start costing 25,000 dollars, not 1000.
The gangbangers would be relegated to baseball bats and switch blades.
Herb & Suds
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You missed my sarcasm
TacoMac
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Yes. Yes I did. My bad.You missed my sarcasm
Rob Roy
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That's a good idea, but not in the way you meant it. Politicians use guns irresponsibly all the time. That's why we have the most people in prison of any place in the world, have created world instability thru never ending wars and have a military industrial complex gone wild.
Yes, accountability is needed.
Rob Roy
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Clearly it's impossible to make a gun and that could never happen. Ever.
Speaking of illegal guns, their isn't supposed to be a standing army in the United States. The United States government engages in arms sales routinely and they weren't ever supposed to have guns in the first place.
You're on a roll today.
Rob Roy
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PanamaRed63
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Who are you selling it too? A properly Licensed individual? I think not...
No clue what state you live in but sounds like the wild west.
In my state when I sell a handgun to someone I must fill out paper work in triplicate, one for me(seller), one for the buyer and one for the State.
TacoMac
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Well, DUHHHHHHHHHHHH.
Did you just fall off the turnip truck last night? That's my entire point!
Georgia.
But guess what, hotrod, there are absolutely NO RULES on private sales of guns of any kind in the following states:
- Alabama
- Alaska
- Arizona
- Arkansas
- Georgia
- Idaho
- Indiana
- Kansas
- Kentucky
- Louisiana
- Mississippi
- Missouri
- Montana
- New Hampshire
- North Dakota
- Ohio
- Oklahoma
- South Carolina
- South Dakota
- Tennessee
- Texas
- Utah
- Vermont
- Virginia
- West Virginia
- Wisconsin
- Wyoming
THAT is our gun problem.