Too Many Nute`s? Building The Perfect Catolgue

Hi All,

I am going to my toy store soon and was wondering how many nute`s is too many nute`s?

I have a good number already, but through research I`ve found so many other kinds I`m not using and can only wonder if they would help even more?
Before you read the list, please rest assured that I am quite well aware that VERY, VERY small amounts of this many items would be needed to help keep the PPM in the soil down. Do want to over feed, but do want to give them all the help I can. Also, only during the recommended periods during the plants life.

Here is the line-up/catalogue I am considering:
- Grotek Kickstart
- Superthrive
- Optimum Hydroponics Grow A+B
- Optimum Hydroponics Bloom A+B
- Optimum Hydroponics Supermax B1
- Grotek Cal-Max
- Grotek Pro-Silicate
- Advanced Nutrients Tarantula
- Advanced Nutrients Piranha
- Advanced Nutrients Voodoo Juice
- Advanced Nutrients Overdrive
- Advanced Nutrients Bud Ignitor
- Advanced Nutrients Big Bud
- General Hydroponics Floral Nectar
- Grotek Final Flush Blueberry


Anybody use those Advanced Nute`s together before?

Does anyone use the Fulvic and Humic Acids?

Also, am I over lapping on any types? or is there some I'm missing?

Any help is appreciated!

I can tell you for a fact that no matter which brand you're using, 15 bottles will not produce a product that justifies the time, effort and money that you will blow through using all of those products. Seriously, your best results will come from mastering simplicity.

homebrewer said:

I can tell you for a fact that no matter which brand you're using, 15 bottles will not produce a product that justifies the time, effort and money that you will blow through using all of those products. Seriously, your best results will come from mastering simplicity.

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Ya, Thanks Homebrew, I know Im over thinking it, Im mainly just using either the grow or bloom mix`s which provide the basics (NPK) I would only be administering 1 or 2 feeding of the others during the plants life cycle.

Do you feel that all the others are a waste of time and money?

Is this going to be a first grow for you?

iPACKEDthisBOWL4TWO said:

Is this going to be a first grow for you?

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Nope, That will be for second.

Still on first Using:
- Superthrive
- Optimum Hydroponics Grow A+B
- Optimum Hydroponics Bloom A+B
- Optimum Hydroponics Supermax B1
- General Hydroponics Floral Nectar
- Grotek Final Flush Blueberry

So far this is working well for me, but was just wondering about the other "specialty" feeds and if they would be helpfull for the next grow.

I would strike from the list all of the advanced products, the kick start, superthrive, blueberry, B1 and flora nectar.
Basic nutes at a safe PPM is the way to go. Cal Mag if you use RO water, and the Silica stuff really works.

I suggest you look at one of Homebrewers grow journals, He's changed the way I think about feeding my plants. Less is More.
If you havve some extra coin to spend at the grow store: ppm meter, ph meter, second ph meter, ph test drops, 4.01 calibration solution, 7.0 calibration solution, hum/temp/hi/low gauge, some foggers for when you get mites.
After you see Homebrewers grows you'll be looking for parts to make your own ebb and flo. You really cant grow dope any faster/better than he's doing in a concrete mixing tub.
good luck!

burrr said:

I would strike from the list all of the advanced products, the kick start, superthrive, blueberry, B1 and flora nectar.
Basic nutes at a safe PPM is the way to go. Cal Mag if you use RO water, and the Silica stuff really works.

I suggest you look at one of Homebrewers grow journals, He's changed the way I think about feeding my plants. Less is More.
If you havve some extra coin to spend at the grow store: ppm meter, ph meter, second ph meter, ph test drops, 4.01 calibration solution, 7.0 calibration solution, hum/temp/hi/low gauge, some foggers for when you get mites.
After you see Homebrewers grows you'll be looking for parts to make your own ebb and flo. You really cant grow dope any faster/better than he's doing in a concrete mixing tub.
good luck!

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Absolutely agree with this statement. You really need to MASTER the basics. Im not saying you dont know how to grow at all my man but adding all those extras without dialing in the basics you are asking for trouble........I would fuck that up myself bud. I would think just adding one maybe two additional nutes to the basics each grow you could really learn ALOT. But ive been told all those extras dont do shit for the money they charge for them.

Honkeycorn said:

Ya, Thanks Homebrew, I know Im over thinking it, Im mainly just using either the grow or bloom mix`s which provide the basics (NPK) I would only be administering 1 or 2 feeding of the others during the plants life cycle.

Do you feel that all the others are a waste of time and money?

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I'm sure there is some combination of nutrients listed above that will give you stellar results, but that combination would be time consuming, expensive and confusing to use. Try to emulate a 1-3-2 NPK ratio for flower while meeting the secondary macro and micro nutrient needs of your plants. Calmag is a nice additive to have should it be needed, so is a silica product (I'd suggest ProTekt from Dynagro). In addition to these basics, I like humic/fulvic acid and sea kelp type products ( I use floralicious plus). They're not necessarily needed but I do find some benefit in them. Four or five bottles total should really be all that you need (2 or 3 bottles for your NPKs and 2 or 3 for your silicas, RO water add backs and maybe a sea kelp type additive) and keeping it simple will allow you to better meet the needs of your plants and diagnose issues should they arise.

homebrewer said:

I'm sure there is some combination of nutrients listed above that will give you stellar results, but that combination would be time consuming, expensive and confusing to use. Try to emulate a 1-3-2 NPK ratio for flower while meeting the secondary macro and micro nutrient needs of your plants. Calmag is a nice additive to have should it be needed, so is a silica product (I'd suggest ProTekt from Dynagro). In addition to these basics, I like humic/fulvic acid and sea kelp type products ( I use floralicious plus). They're not necessarily needed but I do find some benefit in them. Four or five bottles total should really be all that you need (2 or 3 bottles for your NPKs and 2 or 3 for your silicas, RO water add backs and maybe a sea kelp type additive) and keeping it simple will allow you to better meet the needs of your plants and diagnose issues should they arise.

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^^^^^^THAT^^^^^^

As was said, none of that stuff will go as far as you mastering the basics. You cannot buy experience, although AN (among others) would like you to believe so.

Wet

Honkeycorn said:

Nope, That will be for second.

Still on first Using:
- Superthrive
- Optimum Hydroponics Grow A+B
- Optimum Hydroponics Bloom A+B
- Optimum Hydroponics Supermax B1
- General Hydroponics Floral Nectar
- Grotek Final Flush Blueberry

So far this is working well for me, but was just wondering about the other "specialty" feeds and if they would be helpfull for the next grow.

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thats a good line up i use it less a few with great results for veg you should add some humex and greens +

you should look at carbo boost and grozome as well fulvix then you would have a complete diet for your girls in flower with also a folage spray of Zinc and Iron and your set

DrFever said:

thats a good line up i use it less a few with great results for veg you should add some humex and greens +

you should look at carbo boost and grozome as well fulvix then you would have a complete diet for your girls in flower with also a folage spray of Zinc and Iron and your set

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I don't know that your posted picture is a great way to sell that nutrient line up. To be honest, 80% of those plants look sick which kind of illustrates my point; where do you start in order to correct the issues? Your leaves at a minimum should be parrell with the ground and ideally, they should be reaching up towards the light as seen below. When your leaves are drooping, it's time to start figuring out where you went wrong.

Here is my line up for RDWC:

GH Base micro,grow,bloom
Cal Mag Plus
Sweet
Superthrive
Roots Excelerator
Microbe Brew
Silica Blast
Fossil Fuel
Hygrozyme
Kool bloom
Liquid Karma "For Coco Coir grow, but can be used in RDWC"
Foliar Feed: DM light penetrator, saturator.

Coco coir specific line up:
CNS17 Grow
Liquid Karma

What do you all think about this line up? Anything I should add? btw Lucas Formula = excellent for NOOBS.

EmeraldBuddah said:

Here is my line up for RDWC:

GH Base micro,grow,bloom
Cal Mag Plus
Sweet
Superthrive
Roots Excelerator
Microbe Brew
Silica Blast
Fossil Fuel
Hygrozyme
Kool bloom
Liquid Karma "For Coco Coir grow, but can be used in RDWC"
Foliar Feed: DM light penetrator, saturator.

Coco coir specific line up:
CNS17 Grow
Liquid Karma

What do you all think about this line up? Anything I should add? btw Lucas Formula = excellent for NOOBS.

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Is this what 12 different products produce?



Your week 4 feeding schedule for flowering is 3700 ppm or 5.2 EC and that's only adding up the 5 products that I know. Why on Earth are you looking to add more products? And why are you using GH base nutes AND sensi base nutes at the same time? The sad part is that I don't even think you're out of veg yet.

No disrespect meant but this is another perfect example of how a dozen products is not only not needed, but will kill your plants.

Week 4- Middle Flower
- 400ml Grow (10ml per gallon)
- 800ml Micro (20ml per gallon)
- 1,200ml Bloom (30ml per gallon)
- 80ml CalMag (2ml per gallon)
- 400ml Bush Doctor Microbe Brew (10ml per gallon)
- 400ml Hygrozyme (10ml per gallon)
- 80ml Sweet (2ml per gallon)
- 400ml KoolBloom (10ml per gallon)
- 200ml Sensi A (5ml per gallon)
- 200ml Sensi B (5ml per gallon)

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homebrewer said:

Is this what 12 different products produce?



Your week 4 feeding schedule for flowering is 3700 ppm or 5.2 EC and that's only adding up the 5 products that I know. Why on Earth are you looking to add more products? And why are you using GH base nutes AND sensi base nutes at the same time? The sad part is that I don't even think you're out of veg yet.

No disrespect meant but this is another perfect example of how a dozen products is not only not needed, but will kill your plants.

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Your a completely not even taking into consideration what caused the plants to look like that. first off it wasnt nutes it was Root Aphids that infested the system which led to root rot...So get your facts straight next time!

Did they have aphids 40 days ago too because they're starting to get burned up here?






Or did they have them here too because if you weren't burning them, they should be looking a lot better.




The key to becoming a better grower is putting your ego aside and listening to people who have done this more than once. You're over feeding. Fact. You may in-fact have bugs but at least bugs can be dealt with, high feeding levels will just flat out kill your plants. So where does the beginner start to cut back when you're using 12 products? That's my point. Keep it simple.

Honkeycorn said:

Here is the line-up/catalogue I am considering:
- Grotek Kickstart
- Superthrive
- Optimum Hydroponics Grow A+B
- Optimum Hydroponics Bloom A+B
- Optimum Hydroponics Supermax B1
- Grotek Cal-Max
- Grotek Pro-Silicate
- Advanced Nutrients Tarantula
- Advanced Nutrients Piranha
- Advanced Nutrients Voodoo Juice
- Advanced Nutrients Overdrive
- Advanced Nutrients Bud Ignitor
- Advanced Nutrients Big Bud
- General Hydroponics Floral Nectar
- Grotek Final Flush Blueberry

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Definitely nix the Superthrive. That causes more problems than it solves, when it does anything at all.

I've never used those base nutes so I can't say much about them. The Grotek stuff is okay, but I wouldn't use the Final Flush.

Considering it's your second grow I'd also cut out most of the AN stuff - just keep the Big Bud and maybe the Bud Ignitor and/or Overdrive. Voodoo Juice can be great but the key is to keep things simple and build your skills and confidence.

The more things you use the harder it is to tell where you went wrong if a problem emerges.

Honkeycorn said:

Anybody use those Advanced Nute`s together before?

Does anyone use the Fulvic and Humic Acids?

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Yeah, I've done a couple grows with nearly the whole line-up. They were great grows to be sure but even knowing what I'm doing that's a lot of bottles to juggle. For the most part I just use about 8 bottles. I find if I put too many things in the grow it starts being a lot more work than fun, and I grow because it's fun. Fulvic and Humic can be impressive but again the whole "how many bottles does it take to make it a chore" thing comes into play.

Though the new AN line has them in the base nutes now so it's definitely getting easier in that way.

Hi guys,

Wow been a while since I looked back at this thread, Want to thank all who have posted, Especially Homebrew.

I am now sticking with this list:
- Superthrive
- Optimum Hydroponics Grow A+B
- Optimum Hydroponics Bloom A+B
- Optimum Hydroponics Supermax B1
- Cal-Mag
- General Hydroponics Floral Nectar
- Grotek Final Flush Blueberry (once to start flushing)

That list seems to be working good for me, Once im a few more grows in I will try some of the advanced lines(piranha,voodoo,tarutula).

Regards All

homebrewer said:

I don't know that your posted picture is a great way to sell that nutrient line up. To be honest, 80% of those plants look sick which kind of illustrates my point; where do you start in order to correct the issues? Your leaves at a minimum should be parrell with the ground and ideally, they should be reaching up towards the light as seen below. When your leaves are drooping, it's time to start figuring out where you went wrong.

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heres a better pic starting week 5 useing all of the line mentioned

Honkeycorn said:

Hi guys,

Wow been a while since I looked back at this thread, Want to thank all who have posted, Especially Homebrew.

I am now sticking with this list:
- Superthrive
- Optimum Hydroponics Grow A+B
- Optimum Hydroponics Bloom A+B
- Optimum Hydroponics Supermax B1
- Cal-Mag
- General Hydroponics Floral Nectar
- Grotek Final Flush Blueberry (once to start flushing)

That list seems to be working good for me, Once im a few more grows in I will try some of the advanced lines(piranha,voodoo,tarutula).

Regards All

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you should add humix for veg and fulvix for flowering

DrFever said:

you should add humix for veg and fulvix for flowering

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Thanks Dr.Fever.... Was seriously comtemplating ordering them on my next order. Just placed an order for Bud Ignitor, Big Bug and overdrive. The acids will be next and probably last. maybe.... piranha, voodoo, scorpion and taruantula after a few more grows once I have some more experience.

Happy Growing All!