trayvan martin

UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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cliffey501 said:
You would fear for your life and then turn around and talk to the guy? seems legit.
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i am walking home.

this guy first follows me in his truck down the road.

so instead of walking down the road, which also brings me to my parents' home, i walk down the greenbelt. the greenbelt is an area surrounded by grass with a sidewalk going through it for walking your dog or taking a jog, by the way.

i am walking down the greenbelt and this creepy guy that is following me for no reason gets out of his truck and follows me several hundred yards into the greenbelt. he is talking on the phone and sounds out of breath like he is trying to catch up to me walking. i hear him say "these assholes always get away" as he is following me.

i am just a little high, talking on the phone to my girlfriend, and i put down the phone, turn around, and ask him "why are you following me?"

he yells back "what are you doing here?"

at that point, the man who is out of breath and got out of his vehicle to follow me finally catches up to me about 100 or 200 yards off the road. more yelling ensues. a scuffle ensues. neighbors start to notice the yelling. they notice a scuffle.

in that scuffle, i manage to land a punch or two on the guy. i just want to get away though.

woops, i defended myself against the wrong guy. i defended myself against a cop wannabe vigilante with a known history of assaults, drinking, temper problems, "snapping"....

this guy snaps and throws me off him. he draws his gun and says "you're going to die now" and fires as i scream helplessly. i land face down and my attacker straddles me.

a few seconds pass. onlookers see the man who is 10 years my senior and 50+ pounds heavier straddling me. they ask him questions. he doesn't respond. they ask more questions and he gets up, walks back to the sidewalk, and says "call the police" as he touches his forehead with his hand, a worried look on his face.

he does not look injured. he looks worried.

my attacker is treated within 15 minutes for his injuries, goes downtown to the police station, and tells his story. the guy he tells his story to, who does that for living, says that does not add up. i am unconvinced. he suggests that they press manslaughter charges on my attacker.

but wait.

the prosecutor leaves his house on a sunday night, meets with the police chief, and says "cut him loose".

the prosecutor later resigns to avoid "the appearance of a conflict of interest". the police chief he met with that night also steps down.

everything i just said lines up perfectly with the trayvon martin case, detail for detail, including your account.
 
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cliffey501

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UncleBuck said:
i am walking home.

this guy first follows me in his truck down the road.

so instead of walking down the road, which also brings me to my parents' home, i walk down the greenbelt. the greenbelt is an area surrounded by grass with a sidewalk going through it for walking your dog or taking a jog, by the way.

i am walking down the greenbelt and this creepy guy that is following me for no reason gets out of his truck and follows me several hundred yards into the greenbelt. he is talking on the phone and sounds out of breath like he is trying to catch up to me walking. i hear him say "these assholes always get away" as he is following me.

i am just a little high, talking on the phone to my girlfriend, and i put down the phone, turn around, and ask him "why are you following me?"

he yells back "what are you doing here?"

at that point, the man who is out of breath and got out of his vehicle to follow me finally catches up to me about 100 or 200 yards off the road. more yelling ensues. a scuffle ensues. neighbors start to notice the yelling. they notice a scuffle.

in that scuffle, i manage to land a punch or two on the guy. i just want to get away though.

woops, i defended myself against the wrong guy. i defended myself against a cop wannabe vigilante with a known history of assaults, drinking, temper problems, "snapping"....

this guy snaps and throws me off him. he draws his gun and says "you're going to die now" and fires as i scream helplessly. i land face down and my attacker straddles me.

a few seconds pass. onlookers see the man who is 10 years my senior and 50+ pounds heavier straddling me. they ask him questions. he doesn't respond. they ask more questions and he gets up, walks back to the sidewalk, and says "call the police" as he touches his forehead with his hand, a worried look on his face.

he does not look injured. he looks worried.

my attacker is treated within 15 minutes for his injuries, goes downtown to the police station, and tells his story. the guy he tells his story to, who does that for living, says that does not add up. i am unconvinced. he suggests that they press manslaughter charges on my attacker.

but wait.

the prosecutor leaves his house on a sunday night, meets with the police chief, and says "cut him loose".

the prosecutor later resigns to avoid "the appearance of a conflict of interest". the police chief he met with that night also steps down.

everything i just said lines up perfectly with the trayvon martin case, detail for detail, including your account.
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Originally the case was in the hands of Brevard/Seminole County State Attorney Norman Wolfinger, who had convened a grand jury for April 10

http://www.blackeconomicdevelopment.com/prosecutor-who-holds-record-for-trying-juveniles-as-adults-heads-trayvon-martin-investigation/'

Its not a conspiracy buck.
 
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bundee1

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I think the only reason they havent filed charges is that they have to get their case against the PD together as well. Can't do one without the other.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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UncleBuck said:
but he started the confrontation by following him, even if he went to return.

if he never followed him, trayvon goes home and eats skittles.

but yeah, go ahead and keep repeating whatever false narrative the zimmermans are putting out there.
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Even if you, and the authorities, conclude that Zimmer started the confrontation by following Trayvon Zimmer is still shielded by the SYG law. Read the law, google "776.041". See exception 2a. The law is clear.

There are two sides to this endless discussion:

1. Zimmer acted in self defense. On this side there are two eye witnesses, a police officer, and at least one EMT/paramedic. The accounts of the eye witnesses jibe with the police officer's sworn statement. We have not seen the EMT's report, but I expect it to jibe with the police officer's statement. All of these statements support Zimmer's claim of self defense. Zimmer was not charged with a crime.

2. Zimmer murdered Trayvon. On this side there is moral outrage, and speculation about the police department's racism.

I'm sorry Trayvon is dead. There is nothing to be gained by rail roading an innocent man into prison for a crime he did not commit.

Wannabe thug meets wannabe cop on a dark and rainy night in Florida. Wannabe thug dies. Wannabe cop acted in self defense when he killed wannabe thug. Unless some REAL evidence emerges that changes those facts, that is the end of story.

The political shit storm that has emerged will probably wind up in an indictment of Zimmer on "some charge", but that will be appeasement of those calling for their idea of "justice", not the rule of law.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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sync0s said:
Can you actually give me reason why charges shouldn't be filed? You are only providing a basis of POSSIBLE defense for Zimmerman. Therefore admitting that charges should have been filed.

Remember guys. Burden of proof is on the accuser. When you are claiming self-defense: you are an accuser.
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because you are shielded from prosecution under Florida's SYG law, i.e. the SYG law not only provides for an affirmative defense it also shields you from being charged in the first place. If you don't like it, and I assume you won't, take it up with Florida's legislature. Personally, I like Florida's SYG law.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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sync0s said:
The point is it really doesn't matter. Him being treated does not prove conclusively that he was attacked by Trayvon. We have to go off of what we know: He followed him. He shot and killed him.

That should be enough for people to agree that charges should have been filed. I'm seriously perplexed as to why there is any disagreement whatsoever..
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Because of Florida's SYG law. Read the law.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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NLXSK1 said:
I am willing to bet that it wouldnt do significant damage to at least a few posters around here...
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OK, you got me giggling. That was a good one. Can't officially 'like' that post or give you reps 'gotta spread 'em around first', but that was on target. It will bounce off of some skulls here, but it was good!
 
desert dude

desert dude

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UncleBuck said:
what about that?

oh, nothing. just that it completely contradicts zimmerman's false narrative.
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OK, I will bite.
The confrontation starts on the sidewalk: seems reasonable.
Trayvon decks Zimmer with a punch to the face.
Zimmer falls, landing partly on the sidewalk and partly on the grass.
Trayvon climbs aboard to continue the beating.
There is squirming and such as is normal with a fight.
Trayvon proceeds to slam Zimmer's head against the side walk, and Zimmer does his best to squirm into the grass to protect his noggin from from Trayvon and said concrete.
Wannabe thug meets wannabe cop. death results.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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desert dude said:
Even if you, and the authorities, conclude that Zimmer started the confrontation by following Trayvon Zimmer is still shielded by the SYG law. Read the law, google "776.041". See exception 2a. The law is clear.

There are two sides to this endless discussion:

1. Zimmer acted in self defense. On this side there are two eye witnesses, a police officer, and at least one EMT/paramedic. The accounts of the eye witnesses jibe with the police officer's sworn statement. We have not seen the EMT's report, but I expect it to jibe with the police officer's statement. All of these statements support Zimmer's claim of self defense. Zimmer was not charged with a crime.

2. Zimmer murdered Trayvon. On this side there is moral outrage, and speculation about the police department's racism.

I'm sorry Trayvon is dead. There is nothing to be gained by rail roading an innocent man into prison for a crime he did not commit.

Wannabe thug meets wannabe cop on a dark and rainy night in Florida. Wannabe thug dies. Wannabe cop acted in self defense when he killed wannabe thug. Unless some REAL evidence emerges that changes those facts, that is the end of story.

The political shit storm that has emerged will probably wind up in an indictment of Zimmer on "some charge", but that will be appeasement of those calling for their idea of "justice", not the rule of law.
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*like*....................................
 
desert dude

desert dude

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UncleBuck said:
and ditto getting off the hook for shooting a teen in the back and claiming self defense, i guess.

i'm sure that you are aware that ties in law enforcement run deep. do you think it is possible that pappa zimmerman, the retired magistrate judge, knew wolfinger, the prosecutor who declined to prosecute after oddly leaving his home late on a sunday night to meet with the police chief and cut zimmerman loose?

do you suppose it's possible that wolfinger was protecting his buddie's son?
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Sure, it's possible. Prove it.
 
RyanTheRhino

RyanTheRhino

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desert dude said:
OK, I will bite.
The confrontation starts on the sidewalk: seems reasonable.
Trayvon decks Zimmer with a punch to the face.
Zimmer falls, landing partly on the sidewalk and partly on the grass.
Trayvon climbs aboard to continue the beating.
There is squirming and such as is normal with a fight.
Trayvon proceeds to slam Zimmer's head against the side walk, and Zimmer does his best to squirm into the grass to protect his noggin from from Trayvon and said concrete.
Wannabe thug meets wannabe cop. death results.
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agreeable with the evidence thus far.

so what happened in your view UB..
 
sync0s

sync0s

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desert dude said:
OK, I will bite.
The confrontation starts on the sidewalk: seems reasonable.
Trayvon decks Zimmer with a punch to the face.
Zimmer falls, landing partly on the sidewalk and partly on the grass.
Trayvon climbs aboard to continue the beating.
There is squirming and such as is normal with a fight.
Trayvon proceeds to slam Zimmer's head against the side walk, and Zimmer does his best to squirm into the grass to protect his noggin from from Trayvon and said concrete.
Wannabe thug meets wannabe cop. death results.
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All makes sense when you leave out these questions:

Why was Zimmerman following him?
How did he get his gun out while mounted?
How did he shoot him with Martin on top of him bashing his head into the ground?

You guys are making conclusions on prejudice. Plain and simple.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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All makes sense when you leave out these questions:

Why was Zimmerman following him?
Already answered, many times. Zimmer was part of neighborhood watch. The neighborhood was plagued by burglaries. Martin was "suspicious".

How did he get his gun out while mounted?
He grabbed it by the handle and withdrew it from its holster.

How did he shoot him with Martin on top of him bashing his head into the ground?
he pointed it Trayvon's chest and pulled the trigger.


You guys are making conclusions on prejudice. Plain and simple.
Yeah, we are all racists.
 
sync0s

sync0s

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desert dude said:
Why was Zimmerman following him?
Already answered, many times. Zimmer was part of neighborhood watch. The neighborhood was plagued by burglaries. Martin was "suspicious".
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As dispatch told him they didn't need him to be followed?

desert dude said:
How did he get his gun out while mounted?
He grabbed it by the handle and withdrew it from its holster.

How did he shoot him with Martin on top of him bashing his head into the ground?
he pointed it Trayvon's chest and pulled the trigger.
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Real technical explanation. That would definitely hold up in court, right?

desert dude said:
You guys are making conclusions on prejudice. Plain and simple.
Yeah, we are all racists.
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Maybe before you argue in any kind of factual based crime scene argument, you should probably first learn the difference between prejudice and racist. That should be prerequisite.
 
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