trayvan martin

ginjawarrior said:

ok ill spell it out for you here is illegal saying zimmerman would have died without his gun. now notice in my post i whether zimmermans injuries indicate that he was on way to dying. notice the bolded part? im speculating that zimmerman had fear for his life (the justification for stand your ground) i.e martin was the aggressor zimmerman got scared. but even if zimmerman was scared it doesnt mean he was in danger of death thats why im asking illegal for evidence that zimmerman was at deaths door so to speak heres illegal repeating the "he tried to kill him claim" and again again i ask for proof that zimmerman life was actually in danger (rather than the perceived danger required for stand your ground) heres illegal not giving proof of trayvon actually trying to kill ( rather than zimmermans perception) i repeat the that he missed now again can anyone here actually show zimmerman was in real danger of his life rather than just the pecieved danger (which again is all you need for stand your ground)

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Harrekin said:

He was making the point that a year doesn't make a difference and that your notion that someone who is 17 and who turns 18 magically becomes a man even with no other lifestyle changes is "dumb as fuck". Not taking sides, just arguing over who is a "man" is subjective. I wouldn't consider anyone a man until they actually start in the world alone. I'd call a 15 year old with a job more of a man than a 25 year old mooching and living with Mama and Dada personally.

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redivider said:

i see red ignores well thought out counter-arguments.

i'll linger around for a few minutes to see what you come up with.

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Red1966 said:

So you're saying that Zimmerman should have waited until Martin finished killing him to shoot?

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ilovevajj2 said:

Ok i just want to say something, I do not believe that kid deserved to be shot, but i have met Trayvon Martin before, i live in a town where he was previously from and i went to school with him. The kid was a fucking thug he was probably trying to steal stuff out of unlocked cars (Very popular in Florida where im from, its called car-shopping) and he probably beat Zimmerman until he shot him. But i believe that this case it was never race related, i think if Zimmerman saw a white kid, or Mexican (Like Zimmerman is himself) and they started beating up Zimmerman he would have shot him to. I think that all the media and Trayvons family and friends made it out to be a racist problem when it never was. Im just saying if you were being beat up and you couldnt defend yourself you would have shot him to.

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redivider said:

i think what he's trying to point out is whether or not zimmerman's actions were reasonable, and the 'reasonable man' is a very important part of the 'justification' defense he's putting forth.

all you need to do is follow somebody, start a fight, get hit a few times, then you can pull out your gun and shoot away... get away with murder.... reasonable?

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budleydoright said:

Yes, I have read one or two of those in my fifty years. In contrast to the regular news of accidental shootings of children on a regular basis it's hard to recall. Hard to imagine a million, where did that # come from? Here's my opinion on gun control. We have plenty of laws on the books and really don't need more on either side. If you own a gun CONTROL IT. If you are unable to, the penalties should be severe. You shouldn't be able to bring a gun into a bar or be able to purchase the 2 in the same place IMHO.

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kushforbrains said:

And even if trayvon beat his ass he was not armed and the 'attack' was over n done with and trayvon was multiple yards away when zimmerman shot him witch is some pussy shit u don't shoot someone cuz u got ur ass beat but I don't believe trayvon was the agresser in the first place but maybe zimmerman did get his ass beat by a 17 teen year old and feel like less of a man a decided to shoot the unarmed kid Idk n no1 will ever no because dead people don't talk but its sad to c a kid die for no reason at all because it never should have came down to using a gun

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ilovevajj2 said:

Ok i just want to say something, I do not believe that kid deserved to be shot, but i have met Trayvon Martin before, i live in a town where he was previously from and i went to school with him. The kid was a fucking thug he was probably trying to steal stuff out of unlocked cars (Very popular in Florida where im from, its called car-shopping) and he probably beat Zimmerman until he shot him. But i believe that this case it was never race related, i think if Zimmerman saw a white kid, or Mexican (Like Zimmerman is himself) and they started beating up Zimmerman he would have shot him to. I think that all the media and Trayvons family and friends made it out to be a racist problem when it never was. Im just saying if you were being beat up and you couldnt defend yourself you would have shot him to.

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redivider said:

i see red ignores well thought out counter-arguments. i'll linger around for a few minutes to see what you come up with.

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UncleBuck said:

red is on a rampage to turn an innocent kid with skittles and iced tea into a cold blooded murderer. too bad the fact is that martin was an innocent kid with skittles and iced tea who was chased down by a mentally unbalanced man wielding a gun.

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Red1966 said:

Where is this "well thought out counter-arguments" you speak of?

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Red1966 said:

innocent kid, innocent kid, innocent kid, innocent kid, innocent kid, innocent kid. Nope, repeating does not add any validity.

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UncleBuck said:

i kinda suspected that you were incapable of recognizing someone's well thought out counter arguments.

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Red1966 said:

You know they're going to call you a liar, don't you. You could post pictures of you and Martin together and they'll still call you a liar. They don't believe in physical evidence, just the "facts" they make up as they go along. Just a heads up.

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budleydoright said:

Yes, I have read one or two of those in my fifty years. In contrast to the regular news of accidental shootings of children on a regular basis it's hard to recall. Hard to imagine a million, where did that # come from?

Here's my opinion on gun control. We have plenty of laws on the books and really don't need more on either side. If you own a gun CONTROL IT. If you are unable to, the penalties should be severe. You shouldn't be able to bring a gun into a bar or be able to purchase the 2 in the same place IMHO.

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