trayvan martin

we know a lot more then just that.

we have zimmerman's full history of calls to non-emergency dispatch. he frequently mentioned those assholes getting away through the south entrance.

we have zimmerman's full history of violent altercations. the list includes chasing down motorists. not leaving his fiancee's place until he forced his wayin and beat her up. "snapping" in anger and throwing drunk women around. assaulting police officers. and afterwards, he would always claim that HE was the victim.

we have zimmerman talking about his state of mind that night on tape. pissed off about those assholes always getting. doesn't know where this "kid" is. don't have the police meet me, have them call me for my location.

it's pretty clear that he knew he was dealing with a kid, and that he wanted to chase this kid down and detain him. he did not want to let another asshole get away. he had no interest in identifying himself or asking the kid what he was doing. he had multiple chances to do that, and never did.

the screams on the tape make it pretty clear (in my head at least) that someone was being held at gunpoint and was screaming for his life. that wasn't a fight. the fight was over by the time the 911 calls come in.

if i had to guess, martin tried to wrest the gun from zimm, and that's when zimm shot. total stab in the dark, but having looked at the timeline, the calls, the evidence over and over, i would guess that's what happened.

there is the possibility that martin never tried to wrest the gun from the guy who was detaining him at gunpoint, but that zimm mistakenly thought martin was trying to because he was in threat detection overload.

i mean, we're talking about a guy who straddled martin after putting a round through his chest, you don't straddle someone unless you think they may still be a threat.

that's when witnesses started calling out. one witness called out to zimm and was ignored. she called out a second time, and he just said "call the police". he got up and walked over to the sidewalk and put his hand in his forehead looking worried.

reality hit zimm hard at that moment.

Hey Uncle Pervy,
We also know that you are a kiddie diddling bum.
Too bad you aren't in the dirt instead of the Martin kid !!

budleydoright said:

While we don't have all of the evidence there are facts that have been established.

Martin is dead.

Zimmerman Shot him and has been charged.

Really the dispute is Who was standing their ground.

The way it appears to me is Martin was standing his ground against an unknown pursuer and was shot as a result. Of course this is my opinion based on what's out there.

You know one thing I think people are forgetting, Trayvon Martin was completely innocent, he was minding his own buisiness, probably trying to line up some trim on the phone. Zimmerman had absolutely no right to pursue him. He was not acting on behalf of the neighborhood association. Martin had no obligation to explain himself to Zimmerman, or did Zimmerman have the right to follow him, question him or attempt to detain him. Of course this would be true even if he was in the commision of a crime.

Perhaps his pistol made him feel invinsable and he was thinking "C'mon punk, Make My Day." Oh wait that's the Colorado law!

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you cant say these things . .. . only the story of the person who is facing 5-20 years is worth listening too, didnt you know history is written by the winner

and martin was possibly a thief . . .so he deserves to be persecuted for matching description of people. . . .come on guys we live in america . . .i think it! so i can take your civil rights away . citizens arrest/murder

Gyroscope said:

Hey Uncle Pervy,
We also know that you are a kiddie diddling bum.
Too bad you aren't in the dirt instead of the Martin kid !!

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looks like gayroscope is practicing the freudian defense mechanism known as transference or projection.

he is projecting his own kiddy diddling past on me.

too bad for gayroscope that a simple records check shows that he molested a child for initiation into a biker gang of kiddy diddlers.

sick fuck. you'll rot for that one.

You will pay in hell for molesting children Uncle Pervy !!

Bikers would love to take you for a ride in the country from which you would not come back from.....

Gyroscope said:

You will pay in hell for molesting children Uncle Pervy !!

Bikers would love to take you for a ride in the country from which you would not come back from.....

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bikers love a ot of things, like handjobs from meth head skanks behind the flying-J, and drugging little kids with nyquill so they can have their way with them.

no wonder a bad ass "biker" like you hangs around here now. you fucking shit stain of a human being.

UncleBuck said:

bikers love a ot of things, like handjobs from meth head skanks behind the flying-J, and drugging little kids with nyquill so they can have their way with them.

no wonder a bad ass "biker" like you hangs around here now. you fucking shit stain of a human being.

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They like beating child molesting punks like you to death also.....

this dip shit must not have read that thread where the guy admitted that he was lying about UB being a CHI MO

but troll on . . . . .if lies are the best dirt they have on your then your are almost a real politcian . . . as soon as soem real skeletons emerge you are ready UB

Gyroscope said:

They like beating child molesting punks like you to death also.....

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you child molesters are way more apt at contracting STDs from truck stop whores and getting too drunk too realize that you're molesting children.

Uncle Pervy,
I do not like you for being the useless bum that you are, but you being a diddler is a low even for the likes of you. You never once denied it. You will get yours someday. Karma is a bitch !

Gyroscope said:

Uncle Pervy,
I do not like you for being the useless bum that you are, but you being a diddler is a low even for the likes of you. You never once denied it. You will get yours someday. Karma is a bitch !

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you never denied any of the very detailed kiddy diddling charges i made at you tonight.

you have the intellect of a biker. my trolling for tonight is over. have fun with bricktop later tonight.

LOL!

UncleBuck said:

you never denied any of the very detailed kiddy diddling charges i made at you tonight.

you have the intellect of a biker. my trolling for tonight is over. have fun with bricktop later tonight.

LOL!

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winning . .

UncleBuck said:

you never denied any of the very detailed kiddy diddling charges i made at you tonight.

you have the intellect of a biker. my trolling for tonight is over. have fun with bricktop later tonight.

LOL!

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You have fun in check in the next time you are locked up Uncle Pervy.

Wth did I just wander into

NoDrama said:

"The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over"

You were commanded once already to not post this drivel.

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How about you show me any fact that puts my mind into your prospective, wait I know how. But I can't get my head up my associate that far.

**edit** who the hell commanded me to do anything I am not yours or anyone's property. That in and of itself show you have a slave master racist mentality. With that being noted I shall now add you to ignore. Goodbye Dumbass (in my Red Forman voice)

budleydoright said:

While we don't have all of the evidence there are facts that have been established.

Martin is dead.

Zimmerman Shot him and has been charged.

Really the dispute is Who was standing their ground.

The way it appears to me is Martin was standing his ground against an unknown pursuer and was shot as a result. Of course this is my opinion based on what's out there.

You know one thing I think people are forgetting, Trayvon Martin was completely innocent, he was minding his own buisiness, probably trying to line up some trim on the phone. Zimmerman had absolutely no right to pursue him. He was not acting on behalf of the neighborhood association. Martin had no obligation to explain himself to Zimmerman, or did Zimmerman have the right to follow him, question him or attempt to detain him. Of course this would be true even if he was in the commision of a crime.

Perhaps his pistol made him feel invinsable and he was thinking "C'mon punk, Make My Day." Oh wait that's the Colorado law!

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How do you, or anybody else for that matter, know that Trayvon was "innocent"? How do we know he wasn't casing the place for easy houses to burglarize later on? Whether or not Zimmerman was "on duty" or not really doesn't make a difference. Maybe the guy was just a nosy cop wannabe, or maybe he's just a concerned citizen and resident. Not a single person here knew Trayvon or Zimmerman, yet we have both sides trying to ASSume what the mindset of either party is! It's ridiculous!



Many years ago, I lived in the city. We had a string of burlaries that went on for nearly 2 years in my neighborhood. We weren't sure if it was the same person/persons but it got people's attention and before long there were MANY neighborhood watch groups. Police don't prevent crimes and a meeting was held with the local precinct to discuss our options. The number 1 thing we were instructed to do by the police was to start a neighborhood watch. The funny thing about neighborhood watches is that people take turns volunteering patrols in certain areas, but when a person is "off duty" they don't stop being "concerned citizens". IOW, if I see someone wearing dark clothes running in between houses, I'm probably going to do something about it. I realize that Trayvon was probably NOT a burglar, but Zimmerman had NO way to know this until after the fact. I'm sure Zimmerman was sick of "these punks always getting away"! I would be sick of it too.

budleydoright said:

Zimmerman had absolutely no right to pursue him. He was not acting on behalf of the neighborhood association. Martin had no obligation to explain himself to Zimmerman, or did Zimmerman have the right to follow him, question him or attempt to detain him.

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Zimmerman did have a right to pursue Martin, to what end is key to the legality. Could he not pursue him if he was trying to return a wallet he saw him drop? Pursuit in and of itself is NOT illegal. You guys need to drop this argument, it falls flat on it's face and that's exactly why he wasn't charged with any other misdemeanors or felonies.

Zimmerman absolutely has a right to ask Martin a question, verbal exchange is not illegal in almost any scenario. Are you saying he isn't allowed to ask him where he got that sweet hoodie?

You are correct in that Martin had every right to tell him to fuck off. You are also correct on Zimmerman having no right to detain him, but that is just the wild conjecture of a few posters on this thread, there is ZERO evidence that documents Zimmerman trying to detain Martin, so far. That could change, obviously.

doc111 said:

How do you, or anybody else for that matter, know that Trayvon was "innocent"? How do we know he wasn't casing the place for easy houses to burglarize later on?

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wow unfuckingbelievable..Trayvon did doing nothing that night but go to the store and people type this type of shit. Yup thats why I stay the way I am and teach my kids to do the same.

MuyLocoNC said:

Zimmerman did have a right to pursue Martin, to what end is key to the legality. Could he not pursue him if he was trying to return a wallet he saw him drop? Pursuit in and of itself is NOT illegal. You guys need to drop this argument, it falls flat on it's face and that's exactly why he wasn't charged with any other misdemeanors or felonies.

Zimmerman absolutely has a right to ask Martin a question, verbal exchange is not illegal in almost any scenario. Are you saying he isn't allowed to ask him where he got that sweet hoodie?

You are correct in that Martin had every right to tell him to fuck off. You are also correct on Zimmerman having no right to detain him, but that is just the wild conjecture of a few posters on this thread, there is ZERO evidence that documents Zimmerman trying to detain Martin, so far. That could change, obviously.

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again Zimmerman's only duty as a civilian was to call 911. He did and ignored their advice and still followed Trayvon which resulted in a death. The only person at fault here is Zimmerman. If not for the media starting this as a race issue everyone I feel would be saying the same thing, but some people now feel they have to defend BULLSHIT do the fact race was injected and the tension that is brewing in this country of ours ever since Barrack Obama was elected. Fuckin sad

londonfog said:

wow unfuckingbelievable..Trayvon did doing nothing that night but go to the store and people type this type of shit. Yup thats why I stay the way I am and teach my kids to do the same.

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While I don't think it's accurate, in a case where one party is suspected of being a burglar by a second party, I don't think it's out of bounds to explore the validity of that suspicion. He didn't say Martin WAS a thief, he asked how do you know he wasn't? What if by some wild coincidence, it turns out Martin was a thief? It would certainly have an impact on this trial and your condescending reply.

You don't KNOW much of anything about Martin, is he somehow beyond reproach and investigation, simply because he is dead? Even with another man's life and future in the balance? You can bet Zimmerman's attorney would love to find out Martin had previously broken into a home/car, it would be game, set and match. I'm not suggesting he ever did, but the relevance of the question is undeniable.

And by the way, what is the "WAY" you are, if you don't mind me asking?