True Beginner / Poor Man's Grow

Kottonmouth king15 said:

Thats alota ladys to pimp i mean take'n care of!! U must be morman?! Bad joke!lmao (no offense any1!)

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Lmfao....morman



Update!!!!!
It's been quite a while since I've updated. I just got a job this past week and have hit 40 hours, so I've been real busy. Anyway...I started giving a couple of the big plants some MG Nutes diluted somewhere between 1/8th-1/4th. Most of the little plants probably won't make it, but 3 that came from outside have, and a couple others. So far I've noticed all of my big plants (except the one I Fimmed) have had either more MG soil than the other organic stuff, or full MG soil. I have a solid 4-5 plants that have roots growing out of the bottoms of the cups. Untill today all of those were fed just plain oxygenated tap water because I didn't feel they were ready for nutes. For those that had rutes growing out I gave just those roots a little boost of MG nute and they seem to be sucking those dry. The plant I tried fimming either failed at the fim or I have no idea what its supposed to look like lol. Sexing will be in a week or two, I'm so excited

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Nice!nice clean pics too-good job so far tho.good lookin lil plants.

Are there still any followers here??? I'm gonna be posting an update tonight....Major Changes! <3

Hey fam. Keep up the good work. Im growing for the first time also. I think I need to add sum more light but they are under one 4 bulb 4 foot t5 ho fixture. The older plant is almost 5 weeks and the other jus a week behind. But keep up the work can't wait to c a finish

I'm still here, and ready for an update.

im here.love to see where ya at.

What's up everybody!?!? Works been killing me with over time and junk, but I figured tonight was a good night to update. It's been right about 3 weeks since the first bunch were planted and out of those 9 that were planted I think only maybe 3 of those are still with us!? I planted more shortly after that and the majority of those died off too. Now I'm here with somewhere between 6-12 plants, that are looking fairly healthy and strong. I just planted another 4 today and should be seeing sprouts tomorrow I'd assume. I went ahead and started feeding these fellas about a week ago...Most of them took the nutes alright, but a couple of them received a little burn. Nothing real crucial, just gave them 2 doses of water and everything seems to be fine. I've given up on finishing the LST because I don't have time and I really don't know how else to do it with these cups. Still no sign of sex...hopefully they'll all just be late and be girls



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Psychild said:

What's up everybody!?!? Works been killing me with over time and junk, but I figured tonight was a good night to update. It's been right about 3 weeks since the first bunch were planted and out of those 9 that were planted I think only maybe 3 of those are still with us!? I planted more shortly after that and the majority of those died off too. Now I'm here with somewhere between 6-12 plants, that are looking fairly healthy and strong. I just planted another 4 today and should be seeing sprouts tomorrow I'd assume. I went ahead and started feeding these fellas about a week ago...Most of them took the nutes alright, but a couple of them received a little burn. Nothing real crucial, just gave them 2 doses of water and everything seems to be fine. I've given up on finishing the LST because I don't have time and I really don't know how else to do it with these cups. Still no sign of sex...hopefully they'll all just be late and be girls



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Good to see the ladies are growing up nicely. Watching them makes me all eager to finish up my grow room I am in the middle of building right now. I have two Blue Cheese mothers just waiting to give me some young. Hope to have the space built out in 10 days or so. I'm going to run a thread on some aspects of the project, and will post a link here.

As for your grow... I'd love to hear what lead to the deaths of some of your sprouts. What did you learn from it (i.e. what could we learn from it)? I'm curious if it has to do with the medium and/or nutrient regimen.

The plants in your pics look pretty good--- can see some of the nute-burn though.

It will help the space between nodes to top or lst them. A good hole punch and some string will work in the plastic cups. You'll want to keep the plants short, since your lighting source is on the small side. You can already see that the top leaves are getting much more light than the bottom.

Nitegazer said:

Good to see the ladies are growing up nicely. Watching them makes me all eager to finish up my grow room I am in the middle of building right now. I have two Blue Cheese mothers just waiting to give me some young. Hope to have the space built out in 10 days or so. I'm going to run a thread on some aspects of the project, and will post a link here.

As for your grow... I'd love to hear what lead to the deaths of some of your sprouts. What did you learn from it (i.e. what could we learn from it)? I'm curious if it has to do with the medium and/or nutrient regimen.

The plants in your pics look pretty good--- can see some of the nute-burn though.

It will help the space between nodes to top or lst them. A good hole punch and some string will work in the plastic cups. You'll want to keep the plants short, since your lighting source is on the small side. You can already see that the top leaves are getting much more light than the bottom.

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Sounds great man, wish I had some blue cheese Definitely send a link my way. For the little sprouts, it was a combination of a few things. All of them were over-watered at the beginning of their lives', which stunted their growth for around 4-7 days. (Which BTW, to me it didn't seem as if it was too much water, but that had to be the case.) Another factor was that a few of them were planted in >= 75% of the "organic soil ($1.37 from wal-mart) which was way to tough for the roots to break through. Watering was horrible with those plants. Seemed to me like the plants could stay healthy at 2-3", but wouldn't grow any bigger. Temperature has got to be one of the most vital things I've noticed you need to worry about. My plants seem to do fine with temperatures up to 90*F, but anything after that and they get burned :/ Also, the temps can go as low as about 60-65*F depending on how much water is in the soil. They really don't like the cold. Seems to me like their prime growing temp is about 82*f. Havn't had to worry about nutes much....a couple of the little one's took a small dose of nute, but I can't tell if the nute hurt them or if they were just screwed because of medium to begin with. (Out of 20 plants I've planted, only 2 have died...the rest were just way too small, or didn't have hope from my point of view so I chopped them to make room.)

Psychild said:

Temperature has got to be one of the most vital things I've noticed you need to worry about. My plants seem to do fine with temperatures up to 90*F, but anything after that and they get burned :/ Also, the temps can go as low as about 60-65*F depending on how much water is in the soil. They really don't like the cold. Seems to me like their prime growing temp is about 82*f. Havn't had to worry about nutes much....a couple of the little one's took a small dose of nute, but I can't tell if the nute hurt them or if they were just screwed because of medium to begin with. (Out of 20 plants I've planted, only 2 have died...the rest were just way too small, or didn't have hope from my point of view so I chopped them to make room.)

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I hear you on the temperature front. I have run maybe six or seven grows, and in each of them the limiting factor was temperature. With the exception of my first two grows, I have always run small grows in basements, which are too cold in the winter and still pretty hot in the summer.

I would ordinarily think smaller spaces would be easier to control temperature, but have found they are actually harder to control-- the swings are more dramatic. Temperature affects the ability of the plant to take up nutrients, too, so swings in temperature can lead to over fertilization when it's cold and under fertilization when it's hot. It's a bit of a stacked deck against smaller growers. Some of the bigger scale growers have forgotten what it's like to work in a cramped, poorly ventilated space on a budget, and are a bit harsh in their judgements.

In reading through posts on this site, I find I learn the principals of good growing from the larger growers, but the technique is generally better with the experienced smaller growers (or at least I can relate to it better). There are exceptions; I really like Riddleme's techniques, and he currently has some larger grows going.

Thanks for sharing the issues you have had, along with lessons learned.

Nitegazer said:

I hear you on the temperature front. I have run maybe six or seven grows, and in each of them the limiting factor was temperature. With the exception of my first two grows, I have always run small grows in basements, which are too cold in the winter and still pretty hot in the summer.

I would ordinarily think smaller spaces would be easier to control temperature, but have found they are actually harder to control-- the swings are more dramatic. Temperature affects the ability of the plant to take up nutrients, too, so swings in temperature can lead to over fertilization when it's cold and under fertilization when it's hot. It's a bit of a stacked deck against smaller growers. Some of the bigger scale growers have forgotten what it's like to work in a cramped, poorly ventilated space on a budget, and are a bit harsh in their judgements.

In reading through posts on this site, I find I learn the principals of good growing from the larger growers, but the technique is generally better with the experienced smaller growers (or at least I can relate to it better). There are exceptions; I really like Riddleme's techniques, and he currently has some larger grows going.

Thanks for sharing the issues you have had, along with lessons learned.

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I'm gonna have to check Riddleme's threads out, thanks man! I really wish I had a whole room to devote to this, seems like it'd be MUCH easier oddly enough Lol


Edit: So I decided to follow through with some more LST like you sugguested. 2 nights ago I supercropped one and then tied down 2 of them. I realized I didn't do it properly the first time so I corrected them a little more last night. They seemed to be responding pretty good yesterday from the previous start of LST, but I havn't been able to take a peek yet because the lights don't come on for another hour. I'll try to get some pics up some time today so you guys can see the progress!

Btw, I'm going for more of a crop circle type effect.


edit #2: I noticed Nitegazer said something about the top leaves showing they've received more light than the bottoms (which the reason is obvious), but what are the signs? What shows you this? Is it just because they've stretched some, or is it because the bottom leaves are giant and trying to reach out to the light?

Psychild said:

edit #2: I noticed Nitegazer said something about the top leaves showing they've received more light than the bottoms (which the reason is obvious), but what are the signs? What shows you this? Is it just because they've stretched some, or is it because the bottom leaves are giant and trying to reach out to the light?

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Just an observation mostly based on the 2nd and 4th pic in Post #50. The nodes seem a bit far apart, and the lowest leaves are smaller and a bit yellow. I'm curious how close you keep the lights on them. At this age, you can probably keep the lights an inch or so from the leaves, as long as heat isn't too much a problem. LST will help keep a uniform height-- so good move with that.

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Just an observation mostly based on the 2nd and 4th pic in Post #50. The nodes seem a bit far apart, and the lowest leaves are smaller and a bit yellow. I'm curious how close you keep the lights on them. At this age, you can probably keep the lights an inch or so from the leaves, as long as heat isn't too much a problem. LST will help keep a uniform height-- so good move with that.

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Well for a while I was keeping the lights a good 2-3 inches above the plants, but then heat became an issue and plants grew quite a bit so I raised them. Now that I LSTd all of the big plants, I feel like I had them up a little too far, so I changed everything around and now the majority of the plants are about 3 inches away. Some are closer, but imo now it's a survival of the fittest....I don't expect all of them to be females, if the males wanna hurry up and take some light so I can see them sex then that's fine by me. The earlier I get those out the sooner I have more space in my room. I just put another 4 seedlings in 2 days ago and all 4 have sprouted. I'm gonna try to get 4 in every week. That way if I fail and only get 7g out of one plant, I can still get atleast an ounce every week.v I feel like this closet we are using is very capable of holding his many solo-cup plants, and if not solo-cups then 2 liter bottles. I'm pretty sure sexing will be here in a day or 2. I'm not really sure what some signs are, but the way the growths are starting to move it seems to me like I'll either be seeing male or female parts soon

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Well for a while I was keeping the lights a good 2-3 inches above the plants, but then heat became an issue and plants grew quite a bit so I raised them. Now that I LSTd all of the big plants, I feel like I had them up a little too far, so I changed everything around and now the majority of the plants are about 3 inches away. Some are closer, but imo now it's a survival of the fittest....I don't expect all of them to be females, if the males wanna hurry up and take some light so I can see them sex then that's fine by me. The earlier I get those out the sooner I have more space in my room. I just put another 4 seedlings in 2 days ago and all 4 have sprouted. I'm gonna try to get 4 in every week. That way if I fail and only get 7g out of one plant, I can still get atleast an ounce every week.v I feel like this closet we are using is very capable of holding his many solo-cup plants, and if not solo-cups then 2 liter bottles. I'm pretty sure sexing will be here in a day or 2. I'm not really sure what some signs are, but the way the growths are starting to move it seems to me like I'll either be seeing male or female parts soon

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Sounds like it's going great. I have no doubt you'll have your 7g, with lots of margin. Once you have sexed them, will you be taking clones, or do you plan on continuing to work with seed?

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Sounds like it's going great. I have no doubt you'll have your 7g, with lots of margin. Once you have sexed them, will you be taking clones, or do you plan on continuing to work with seed?

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I'd love to take clones, but since it's bag seed I'm just going to be planting new seeds untill I find the mothers I want to keep. Also I don't have any cloning gel or money, so I'd rather just wait until I know for sure I want to keep that strain.

What's up everyone?? So I've been doing alot of LST training on the plants. Once you start you can't stop...it's rediculous. These things are groing out of control now that most are taking nutes and what not. I planted 4 more bag seeds as most of you know on 3/27 and I will be showing pictures of those now Alot of these pictures are repititous, but I love all of them so I'm letting you all see them I'm guessing 2-4 days and I'll know what the sex are on 2 of the plants, and the rest that are close are probably within a week to 2 weeks. One of the plants that I named Diesel was starting to get root bound in the cup it was in since it was all organic soil, so I transplanted it into 100% miracle grow. Most of it's roots were lost, but I feel like it has enough to survive. I'm glad that I decided to try a preptual grow for my first time because it allows me to see the patience you must learn in order to be succesful. Now that I have big plants I don't worry so much about the little ones, I just water them every 3-4 days and wait until they start taking some LST before I give them nutes. My prepetual grow will now be a 12/12 starting from the seeds I just put in there this past Sunday. I'm going to try to start the germination process every Friday and plant 4 seeds every Sunday. After I get the first 2-3 plants to harvest I will be starting another thread for the preptual grow. Don't worry though, that won't be atleast for another 2-3 months

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If you look at picture number 10....the biggest plant in the blue pot has a root coming out of the top of the pot that went back into the soil so it's like a little loop sticking out. Should I do anything about this or is it fine? (it's been like this for atleast a week or 2.

| So I just realized that I might have totally fucked my plants

Last night in my super highness I decided since it was getting cold again, that I should put a small 6" heater on low. Sounded like a great idea, but I also found out that my room mate was coming back in town to work from 10pm-4:30am. I didn't stop and think about my room mate sleeping in (even if he passes out around 2-3, everyday he still sleeps till around 3). That was a dumb move >< I've already been in his room once today, and don't want to wake him up...I'd be pissed if I got home around 5 in the morning and he woke me up Lol. Hopefully the heater I have in there has a thermometer or something on it to shut off and there will be nothing to worry about. Sorry if this was a waist of your time, first bowl of the day was a generation bowl

Psychild said:

If you look at picture number 10....the biggest plant in the blue pot has a root coming out of the top of the pot that went back into the soil so it's like a little loop sticking out. Should I do anything about this or is it fine? (it's been like this for atleast a week or 2.

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Don't stress about the root. Just put a bit of soil over it if you can. She'll be fine.

Psychild said:

| So I just realized that I might have totally fucked my plants

Last night in my super highness I decided since it was getting cold again, that I should put a small 6" heater on low. Sounded like a great idea, but I also found out that my room mate was coming back in town to work from 10pm-4:30am. I didn't stop and think about my room mate sleeping in (even if he passes out around 2-3, everyday he still sleeps till around 3). That was a dumb move >< I've already been in his room once today, and don't want to wake him up...I'd be pissed if I got home around 5 in the morning and he woke me up Lol. Hopefully the heater I have in there has a thermometer or something on it to shut off and there will be nothing to worry about. Sorry if this was a waist of your time, first bowl of the day was a generation bowl

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If he knows about your grow, he should be cool about you coming in to check on the heater-- he will likely be able to share the harvested bounty. If he doesn't know about the grow, you'll probably have to wait and take your chances....

Well He woke up soon after...it reached 100*F for probably a solid couple of hours. Most of the plants were over watered and such from the cold weather so I'm pretty sure most of them enjoyed the "hot sun." one of them is showing some heat stress but the rest seem to bee doing fine. Not much else going on around here.