Unexpected Seeds
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Jogro
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Ceed variation can come either from various genotypes of the ceeds themselves or from differences in ceed maturity.
Big dark hard ceeds were probably formed not less than six weeks before.
>Will you get random phenotypes?
Bluntly, in this case, probably yes, but there is more than one thing out there that people call "sour diesel", and the answer depends on what exactly you have.
If you are growing a true clone-only hybrid plant, then yes, you could conceivably see all sorts of phenos in an S1 cross of one sour diesel clone with another hermied one. The phenos may be similar to the parent, or different in any number of ways. In theory, some could even be "better" than the parent in some ways, though this is highly unlikely in a highly select clone only line. You might also see offspring from a cross like that look very different than the parent.
On the other hand, if your "sour diesel" is from an inbred line, then selfed offspring this way are likely to be highly similar to the parent.
So, the question is, where did you get your "sour diesel" and what do you know about it?
>Males or females.
Well, if one of your sour diesels made a few male flowers, then any ceeds created from that pollen "should" be female.
In short, what you have are a bunch of Sour Diesel S1 feminized ceed.
djrequiem
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Original cutting was taken from MAMAS medical mj clinic in Bend OR in a cloning class. Not sure if it was from clone or seed. My understanding is real sour diesel is a non-stabilized clone-only strain. I've grown this numerous times and it is very nice. It's definitely someone's sour diesel if it isn't the clone only original.
trichmasta
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Mamas??? Sketch??rofl!! Hermie central!! Old lame genetics!! Sorry buddy!! I trash anything that has mature male stamen production-no matter what!! Can't have it jeopardize anything else!
Hopefully you gotta lock on some more stable genetics homie!!
Hopefully you gotta lock on some more stable genetics homie!!
djrequiem
Member
Yeah, that's not totally a fair assessment. But by all means, roll on the floor if you want. My sour IS sour diesel. I've grown it six cycles now. It's by far my biggest producer outpacing my dutch passion blueberry from seed, afgoo, super lemon haze, and strawberry cough. I don't live at my growsite and really have few priorities above them. Unfortunately for the crop my wife had a baby, and I'm incredibly surprised a few of the smaller ones survived. Not only did they survive, but rather decently cropped. Now those two plants are seedy, but the rest I can't find seeds in at all. I blame my room's former absence of a fan for not fertilizing more. However, we cracked a ten pack of DP blueberry and I will be goddamned if I don't get immature stamens every time. No seed production though. I'm not really afraid of either when pollination likelihood is so unlikely (unless of course I near abandon a flowering hydro system for two weeks, stop spraying for bugs, and finish the cycle with shoddy quick fixes.) But, having your first child only happens once!
trichmasta
Active Member
Nice dude! Congrats on the new blessing/ addition to your family!! I can't tell you of what an amazing adventure fatherhood is...I barely got 8 months under my belt, but I tell you I'm a new man in every way!!Yeah, that's not totally a fair assessment. But by all means, roll on the floor if you want. My sour IS sour diesel. I've grown it six cycles now. It's by far my biggest producer outpacing my dutch passion blueberry from seed, afgoo, super lemon haze, and strawberry cough. I don't live at my growsite and really have few priorities above them. Unfortunately for the crop my wife had a baby, and I'm incredibly surprised a few of the smaller ones survived. Not only did they survive, but rather decently cropped. Now those two plants are seedy, but the rest I can't find seeds in at all. I blame my room's former absence of a fan for not fertilizing more. However, we cracked a ten pack of DP blueberry and I will be goddamned if I don't get immature stamens every time. No seed production though. I'm not really afraid of either when pollination likelihood is so unlikely (unless of course I near abandon a flowering hydro system for two weeks, stop spraying for bugs, and finish the cycle with shoddy quick fixes.) But, having your first child only happens once!
I meant no disrespect to you or your growing, as I know individuals from mama and find them VERY un credible! There head nurse or whatever he calls himself grows the worst meds I've ever ever seen!! Those guys are in it for the money and that's it!! Look at all the scrutiny their founder has been under....IMO they take advantage of the un knowledgable patient, grower, caregiver, etc. I've seen and heard of more Herms and males coming outta that place than anything else!! They are a horrible representation of compassion and what a lame medical program OR has in place!
Blueberry is notorious for throwing Herms as well, so I wouldn't take that one too hard.
djrequiem
Member
I am not impressed with mamas. I went elsewhere but my brother who needed to renew, got the runaround from them. Now he needs to restart everything from the beginning and needless to say I will be recommending he go elsewhere. I've never been impressed with meds from clinics/staff or most of the dispensaries. I believe however most people do not grow what they have close to it's true genetic capacity. So some of these lazy stoners I'm afraid don't try very hard...
Jogro
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OK, so you don't know the ultimate provenance of this sour diesel line. That's OK.
Since what you started with is probably not a stabilized line, the ceeds they produced will probably put out a bunch of different phenos, some of which will be likely similar to the parent. Again, its even possible that some may be better than the parent in some way (eg better structure, earlier flowering time, etc). I wouldn't count on it, but you never really know.
Upside is, these should be "feminized" ceeds. Not only that, but you've actually created by accident what at least one other breeder sells commercially. Dr. Greenthumb's "Feminized Sour Diesel S1" sounds exactly like what you have, but he's charging $150 for five ceeds.
Yes. . .you read that right. If your line is the true "clone only" line, your ceeds are worth their weight in gold. (Or more accurately, one guy wants to CHARGE their weight in gold!).
Downside is, you've just crossed a hermie-prone sour diesel with another one (ie itself). So the likelihood of the offspring being hermie-prone is high. If you're growing these out, be vigilant for hermies.
Congrats on the baby.
Since what you started with is probably not a stabilized line, the ceeds they produced will probably put out a bunch of different phenos, some of which will be likely similar to the parent. Again, its even possible that some may be better than the parent in some way (eg better structure, earlier flowering time, etc). I wouldn't count on it, but you never really know.
Upside is, these should be "feminized" ceeds. Not only that, but you've actually created by accident what at least one other breeder sells commercially. Dr. Greenthumb's "Feminized Sour Diesel S1" sounds exactly like what you have, but he's charging $150 for five ceeds.
Yes. . .you read that right. If your line is the true "clone only" line, your ceeds are worth their weight in gold. (Or more accurately, one guy wants to CHARGE their weight in gold!).
Downside is, you've just crossed a hermie-prone sour diesel with another one (ie itself). So the likelihood of the offspring being hermie-prone is high. If you're growing these out, be vigilant for hermies.
Congrats on the baby.
djrequiem
Member
So I've got a bunch started that cracked and poked out of the soil. What are the chances that they will hermie if they are taken decent care of? I never noticed any pollen sacs prior on them but had spotted immature ones on my blueberries in the past (which none were flowering so I know it's not a blueberry x diesel cross although that'd be nice). If they are given average to okay care shouldn't the seedlings be similar to my previous diesel crops which weren't seedy/hermie? They never hermied in soil, just this last time when I tried them hydro. Previous Blueberry hydro crops weren't seedy though (but they got much better care!)