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quiescent

quiescent

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There's definitely an epigenetic effect on the progeny if the plant is stressed to herm via poor environment or running well past senescence to produce pollen. The people that used to do that have bad reps for a reason.

If everything in the chem/og/diesel family all go back to the same stock of Northern Lights, with the line polluted with the lady boy Thais, you're looking at a case study of what happens 40 years down the road without the intervention of technology to improve the genetics. You can't avoid balls on seed plants from most American genetics because of this.

If you chemically induce the plant you'll experience a more stable expression than if you stress it into herming in most cases. There's gonna be unfavorable chemical reversals, especially S1s.
 
quiescent

quiescent

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Anthei$ said:
i had four to choose from and one went right into intersex as well. what about you, @quiescent ?

there doesn't seem to be much variance in this S1. which is a good thing.
one automatically intersex
one slow vegging/no stretch runt - i hit mine with c4dd pollen from verdant green, well actually i've hit all 3 with it.
4-5 keepers? to choose from.
that's not bad odds at all.
i've been vaping this cd and it is great stuff even taken at least two weeks early.
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I had sterile late nanners on a few plants out of 19 I flowered.

I don't flower seed plants so I don't usually see early intersex plants.

The variation is very low because this is a true F1 hybrid with lines that were multiple generations of work to get mama and papa. The ecsd bx ix line from rez was solid af.
 
colocowboy

colocowboy

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quiescent said:
I had sterile late nanners on a few plants out of 19 I flowered.

I don't flower seed plants so I don't usually see early intersex plants.

The variation is very low because this is a true F1 hybrid with lines that were multiple generations of work to get mama and papa. The ecsd bx ix line from rez was solid af.
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It’s funny that you mention rezdog, he was working the original sour, not ecsd and is someone that could verify to you. He was working with connoisseur genetics at the time and ojd can also break it down for you. If you want I’ll give you his email if you can stand to hear it.
 
Sqwee

Sqwee

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I dont see them on the breeders page but if I search I can still find two strains in stock
 
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18six50

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Stressing a plant causes the plant to
quiescent said:
There's definitely an epigenetic effect on the progeny if the plant is stressed to herm via poor environment or running well past senescence to produce pollen. The people that used to do that have bad reps for a reason.

If everything in the chem/og/diesel family all go back to the same stock of Northern Lights, with the line polluted with the lady boy Thais, you're looking at a case study of what happens 40 years down the road without the intervention of technology to improve the genetics. You can't avoid balls on seed plants from most American genetics because of this.

If you chemically induce the plant you'll experience a more stable expression than if you stress it into herming in most cases. There's gonna be unfavorable chemical reversals, especially S1s.
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Why wouldn't the stress from using SILVER or anything else cause the same epigenetic effects? Is there any proof at all that it's actually different? Do you have some actual science to back that up with or just speculation? You say lazy breeders got bad reps for using that tech, but how do you know they just weren't lazy ass breeders who picked shitty plants too? Correlation ain't causation and that's nothing but specualtion. Plenty of Cup winners came from bag seed created by light leaks, some on purpose some not, so not everyone who breeds that way is "lazy" nor did they all simply get lucky.

The same reductions in plant hormones takes place regardless of how it's done. So what's the Magic contained in Silver or other Chemicals that allows the plants to remain unscathed in a way that spares them the genetic ravages of a light leak? Honestly, I've heard this claim tons of times but never one bit of science comes with the claim. I have never read anywhere HOW the silver is supposed to magically spare the plants from problems or how the light leak is supposed to do more damage than chemicals.

I'll gladly eat crow if you can link to anything that proves the claim that silver doesn't cause negative effects but light leaks do.

Honestly I think guys that breed with silver made that shit up so they could pretend their seeds were somehow genetically special, rather than it simply being a convienent way to consistently get more seeds. Until someone shows me the actual science that explains the difference it's just more bro lore. until there is actual scientific proof I'll continue to believe that it's nothing more than speculation from people who were motivated to make people believe their seeds were some special magic.

What mechanism damages the plant genetically with light leaks and the subsequent reduction in hormones, that wouldn't also damage plants when the same hormones are reduced even further with Silver or other chemicals? How's that work exactly?

Show me the Science and make me a believer, otherwise it's just more bro lore (and an excuse to charge more for seeds I suppose).
 
quiescent

quiescent

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18six50 said:
Stressing a plant causes the plant to

Why wouldn't the stress from using SILVER or anything else cause the same epigenetic effects? Is there any proof at all that it's actually different? Do you have some actual science to back that up with or just speculation? You say lazy breeders got bad reps for using that tech, but how do you know they just weren't lazy ass breeders who picked shitty plants too? Correlation ain't causation and that's nothing but specualtion. Plenty of Cup winners came from bag seed created by light leaks, some on purpose some not, so not everyone who breeds that way is "lazy" nor did they all simply get lucky.

The same reductions in plant hormones takes place regardless of how it's done. So what's the Magic contained in Silver or other Chemicals that allows the plants to remain unscathed in a way that spares them the genetic ravages of a light leak? Honestly, I've heard this claim tons of times but never one bit of science comes with the claim. I have never read anywhere HOW the silver is supposed to magically spare the plants from problems or how the light leak is supposed to do more damage than chemicals.

I'll gladly eat crow if you can link to anything that proves the claim that silver doesn't cause negative effects but light leaks do.

Honestly I think guys that breed with silver made that shit up so they could pretend their seeds were somehow genetically special, rather than it simply being a convienent way to consistently get more seeds. Until someone shows me the actual science that explains the difference it's just more bro lore. until there is actual scientific proof I'll continue to believe that it's nothing more than speculation from people who were motivated to make people believe their seeds were some special magic.

What mechanism damages the plant genetically with light leaks and the subsequent reduction in hormones, that wouldn't also damage plants when the same hormones are reduced even further with Silver or other chemicals? How's that work exactly?

Show me the Science and make me a believer, otherwise it's just more bro lore (and an excuse to charge more for seeds I suppose).
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Without a doubt the worst way to reverse a plant. The results speak for themselves, there's a reason people shit on soma and its not nycd. I believe swerve tried the same thing but had to eat crow and start using chemicals.

I find it funny rodelization can still be touted as a way to produce feminized seeds when it's been known since the 90s as a shit method.
 
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