Vert(600+400) 5 plant, from Ukraine with love
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Sedan
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The Mars Hydro tent is now 300 watts.
I plan to get 700-800 grams of dry buds. This is a real result in this setting, you don't need to strain too much. There are eight full-fledged plants, three of them are already almost a meter tall.
Sedan
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put fans here
where they are hanging now, there they are not functional.
Those fans must pick up air from the bottom of the inflow and blow up.
Weak fans, you need something more powerful for such a volume.
Also check the root filling of the pot. It's you poking your finger into the top layer of soil, if there are roots, then the pot is full.
Your pots are not that big, for such big plants. If the pot is overflowing with roots, then the bottom begins to dry, and the top continues to grow. You don't need to let that happen.
Either transplant into a large container, or switch to flowering.
Do you understand?
tuksu6000
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Yes i do. Yep fans are way too small, im gonna try put those on the floor like u show. About pots, i think that 20L is going to be enough. Anyway its autopot system so there is no chance to switch it bigger.
tuksu6000
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Im still a bit unsure how big these are gonna be when i flip to flower, for some reason my mind still doesnt get how they are gonna stretch comparing basic horizontal grow. But we will see, exciting
Sedan
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Tell us more about your autowatering system
In the
Yes, of course it is necessary, it not only cools the lamp, but also blows on the plants.
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Dilago
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I am not convinced about the clipfans, but that is just a minor detail to me.
Your set up works, but the long veg and having to adjust my d.i.y. ledlamp to vertical growing makes me hesitant.
Horizontal and vertical growing both have there pro's and cons. Right now i pull about a kilo and sometimes bit more with 800 watts When the clones are rooted well enough only one week of veg is needed. And because the plants are clones, the are small but mature.
In a year when everything goes well i could pull five kilo's of weed or even a bit more. But if the veg takes longer i cannot complete five grows in one year so let's say i have about 4,5 kilo in one year horizontal growing.
I certainly will use more watts per grow then with your style of growing, but how many grows a year can you complete and how much kilo can you pull from one tent a year? It's not a race to me, just curious. I am simply a practical guy and trying your style is not something i can easily do, i'll have to change my whole set up. Which i am willing to do, don't get me wrong.
Sedan
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Yes, now I get it. This is pallet feeding.
Yes, I already noticed that you are a practical guy)))
But you did not take into account one thing, you are talking about clones with 500 grams, 800 watts of lighting. But for such a glade you need a huge mother with vega at six months, or several mothers with vega at several months .. Plus, to your two square meters of area, you also need an additional box, 1 m2 in size. Also to light this box .. which is at least 200 watts. Thus, the terms are extended indefinitely. Also, the power of the consumed energy is not 800 watts, as indicated, but 1100 watts.
Bro, if I turn out to be as practical as you, and I land ... just not my mother, but five rods in the next box, I will grow them to a height of 1.5 meters, in the same time as your mothers, then I will put them in installation, and after a week I will switch to flowering. Can I tell you then that in three months, on 1000 watts, on an area of 1 m2, I get 2.5 kg of buds. If so, I can say for sure. According to your calculations .. a practical person .. I can theoretically get from the installation, for a year exactly 10 kg. buds.
Dilago
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I don't need a huge mother to supply me with clones, but i keep several short mothers under three strips of 15 watts tci strips. Plus it take cuts while the plants are in veg.
But ten kilo a year sounds very good my friend and being a practical guy i guess i'll have to try it for sure!
But ten kilo a year sounds very good my friend and being a practical guy i guess i'll have to try it for sure!
Sedan
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Yes, it just sounds, because this is just a theory!
As for the practical understanding of what interests you. Then I can show you a practical example. More precisely, how high is the superiority of my installation over any other method of growing .. This even applies to clones, judging by your data.
There were no moms or dads here. These are auto flowers.
300 Watt light, 3 months full cycle - result - 500 grams. No vega or mom. And pay attention to how much free workplace there is. And if you try, how much you can grow using the full potential of the installation. This cycle was carried out carelessly, by the same time it was summer and very hot ...
Don't forget that clones are the most productive cultivation method in the classic style.
Sedan
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It seems to me that if you put on a powerful light for vega, then mothers would develop twice as fast. IMHO
Try it - it will shorten your growing time. 15 watts is very little for several mothers, even one is not enough!
Sedan
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If you didn't know, then on a long veg, plants reveal their full potential and they are much more powerful on a trip. There are varieties that are recommended to be kept on the veg for at least 2 months in order for them to reach their full potential.
Therefore, I advise you to keep your old mother .. with a big vega. The quality of the product increases very dramatically.
Dilago
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Somehow it doesn't surprise me that you are a practical guy too Sedan. And the things you write sound very credible to me. Frankly i was thinking in the same direction by applying less watts per square foot 465 watts to 130 x 120. My most recent grow was dry yesterday to which i applied it and i scored 623 grams of dry weed from the strain Super Orange Glue by Lady Sativa which does not yield very heavy. Not too shabby right?
What you mentioned about the mothers sounds worth trying, but in able to keep them free from pests, i'll have to rearrange my cloning closet, or buy a tent especially for this matter. Perhaps i can keep the cuts in the same room with the mother(s). I will start with this first, since my cloning closet is the most important part of my set up. What do you suggest, get a tent or build a closet that is airtight (which i think is difficult to realize).
What you mentioned about the mothers sounds worth trying, but in able to keep them free from pests, i'll have to rearrange my cloning closet, or buy a tent especially for this matter. Perhaps i can keep the cuts in the same room with the mother(s). I will start with this first, since my cloning closet is the most important part of my set up. What do you suggest, get a tent or build a closet that is airtight (which i think is difficult to realize).
Sedan
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)) for more persuasiveness, you can turn to mathematics, Bro. There is such a term in mathematics: mathematical progression.
The plant grows on a veg in a mathematical progression. The more it grows up, the more branches appear at the bottom .. two branches appear. More branches grow from these branches .. and so on.
If you spend two cycles of 4 months each, then this cannot be compared in terms of the volume of the growing mass, with one cycle of 8 months. It is enough to look at which plant grows in size in the first month of veg, and what is the growth dynamics of the plant from the third to the fourth month of veg. If I say that it is five times more, then I will not be mistaken - that's for sure.
Bro, do you understand me?
PS as for practicality, if you live in Russia, and you are not practical, then you will not survive .. It's like Darwin's.))) Here, most are practical.)))
In the horizontal cultivation method, we consider 400 watts per square meter of LED lighting. For sodium lamps, 600 watts per square meter is optimal.
Yes, this is a very good result.
I'll surprise you a little)) Everyone who grows clones has a separate box for mom.
You need it!
Vega is a very simple stage in growth, you know that! This is another plus for a long veg .. You only experience a difficult flowering stage once, not two, as with a short cycle. For me personally, for the most part, if problems happen, it is only on flowering.
Therefore, the simplest boxing is enough for mommy ... you can have a small tent.
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