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pmumbry

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How about we deport all people talking about banning guns to England, where guns are banned, and leave our true countrymen who follow the constitution alone. i am totally serious, if you can't live under our constitution and the freedoms it gives us then you are free to leave. Murderers will murder, it is what they do. If there are not any guns, they will use knives, if you take away all knives, they will use poison, take away poison and they will use bombs. Disarming honest citizens will accomplish nothing except to empower the criminal element, who will own and use guns regardless of any stupid ban.

TL, DR: Don't want citizens to own guns, leave.
 
bowlfullofbliss

bowlfullofbliss

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Don't forget that Constitution you speak of also guarentees the right to Free Speech my friend.

Just so you know, I'm a huge proponent of the Right to Bear Arms, and own a few myself. It bugs the shit out of me that people start yammering about taking away our guns, but they still have the right to talk about it, and to vote on it if they get enough of a movement.

Gotta take the good with the bad.
 
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pmumbry

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bowlfullofbliss said:
Don't forget that Constitution you speak of also guarentees the right to Free Speech my friend.

Just so you know, I'm a huge proponent of the Right to Bear Arms, and own a few myself. It bugs the shit out of me that people start yammering about taking away our guns, but they still have the right to talk about it, and to vote on it if they get enough of a movement.

Gotta take the good with the bad.
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You are correct. They do have a right to talk freely. My original post is merely my counter to their arguments. Our basic rights should never be infringed upon. I firmly believe that a man/woman has a right to defend his or her self, by any means necessary when confronted with a threat. Guns are the great equalizer, the bullet cares not if the one pulling the trigger is weak, it will kill its target efficiently and effectively. Take away our firearms and you will leave us helpless. I would not want to have to fight off an attacker with a stick. Especially when the attacker is probably armed with a banned gun he bought off the street for some easily gotten drug sale money. Arm the teachers, or hire a security team to patrol the school grounds. Legalize all drugs, then take all those highly trained narcs and put them in schools. Pay for it with the taxes from the newly legal drug sales.
 
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BlazedMonkey

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pmumbry said:
How about we deport all people talking about banning guns to England, where guns are banned, and leave our true countrymen who follow the constitution alone. i am totally serious, if you can't live under our constitution and the freedoms it gives us then you are free to leave. Murderers will murder, it is what they do. If there are not any guns, they will use knives, if you take away all knives, they will use poison, take away poison and they will use bombs. Disarming honest citizens will accomplish nothing except to empower the criminal element, who will own and use guns regardless of any stupid ban.

TL, DR: Don't want citizens to own guns, leave.
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Now im being the devils advocate here but....

Why do you need an assault rifle?? The plan and talk is about banning assault rifles.
 
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pmumbry

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BlazedMonkey said:
Now im being the devils advocate here but....

Why do you need an assault rifle?? The plan and talk is about banning assault rifles.
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What if my old mom needs to fire multiple shots at an intruder, is she supposed to sit there trying to operate the bolt on a bolt action rifle? what if some crazy klu klux klan or skinhead group attacks my home someday and there are a lot of them, am i supposed to surrender my black ass to them and submit to the lynching they want to give me after i fire a few rounds from my bolt action rifle? i can come up with thousands of real world reasons where "assault" rifles would come in very handy. China has a HUGE army and may one day decide they own the USA with all the inflated dollars they have flowing into their country from walmart and other stores, and send those troops our way one day. shit happens. when it does, i would like to be able to point my "assault" rifle at those invaders and get off a few rounds before i am consumed in the path of their rampage.
 
MyPetSkunk

MyPetSkunk

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pmumbry said:
What if my old mom needs to fire multiple shots at an intruder, is she supposed to sit there trying to operate the bolt on a bolt action rifle? what if some crazy klu klux klan or skinhead group attacks my home someday and there are a lot of them, am i supposed to surrender my black ass to them and submit to the lynching they want to give me after i fire a few rounds from my bolt action rifle? i can come up with thousands of real world reasons where "assault" rifles would come in very handy. China has a HUGE army and may one day decide they own the USA with all the inflated dollars they have flowing into their country from walmart and other stores, and send those troops our way one day. shit happens. when it does, i would like to be able to point my "assault" rifle at those invaders and get off a few rounds before i am consumed in the path of their rampage.
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When did anything above a bolt-action become an assault rifle?

I have a few bolt-actions, and minus the spray and pray of full autos, I could probably clear a room just as fast with those bolt actions. On the real though, nothing says home defense like a pump shotgun.:eyesmoke:
 
atavistic

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'Assault Rifles' are effectively banned. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle They have been heavily regulated since 1934, and effectively banned in the early 1980s. The AR platform (Armalite Rifle, not Assault Rifle) does not have the same specs as the M-16, it just looks like it. Folding stocks and pistol grips have zero influence on a rifles' "power". Virtually every hunting rifle on the market is capable of mass killing. In fact, the default cartridge of the AR platform is less deadly than most other hunting rifles, to some degree by design. In any event, at the time of the writing of the Constitution, the Founders wanted the real power in the hands of the people, not in the hands of a centralized, all powerful government. That's what the Bill of Rights is about. I'd say just about every one of the 10 original Amendments is under attack today.
 
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pmumbry

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What makes an assault rifle any different from any semiautomatic rifle or pistol? the way it looks? All do the same task: fire bullets at a high rate. If they ban "assault" rifles, it will not end there. in the UK they did not stop until all cartridge fired devices were outlawed. They did not learn from WW2 when they had to beg the USA for weapons and help from being smashed by Hitler because their own populace was practically gunless. I can buy or make or have made high capacity magazines for any semiautomatic weapon.
 
dangledo

dangledo

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start claiming your guns have been stolen, they cant take away your ''stolen'' guns. my m4 and ak are no where to be found;-)
 
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xKuroiTaimax

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Yes.

The US wants security, the US wants freedom. If its wider public safety vs your arrogant 'need' or 'entirlenent' to pop a cap in someone then others are just as entitled to want to stab you.
 
dirtsurfr

dirtsurfr

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As long as we leave the mentaly ill alone, I love watching them walk down the street talking to themselves.
If we go after them we won't make any money unless we set up "Clinics" like we do the Prisons then they can make money.
If I wanted to get some one I'd throw a rattle snake in the car and let the heater wake it up. Could you see it driving down
the Hiway ay 70+ and a rattler starts getting pissed at the heater blowing on it??
 
dangledo

dangledo

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its too late to ban semi autos, too many unaccounted for in the hands of the wrong people. not going to bring a knife(single action) to a gun fight(semi) if it ever comes down to it(criminals, tyranny).


kuroi, how many bear, cougar, razor backs, wolves are in your neck of the woods? I hunt,(not said animals) so this is a serious question...
 
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xKuroiTaimax

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dangledo said:
its too late to ban semi autos, too many unaccounted for in the hands of the wrong people. not going to bring a knife(single action) to a gun fight(semi) if it ever comes down to it(criminals, tyranny).


kuroi, how many bear, cougar, razor backs, wolves are in your neck of the woods? I hunt,(not said animals) so this is a serious question...
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If you read my other post you'd see I already made mention of t being a different matter for hunters (even though I disagree with hunting for sport) and if you need to protect yourself from dangerous wild animals. I'm not that stupid or or blinkered. Even taking those and other factors into consideration my opinion still stands.


Really, step back and think about it. If you were not all so used to having your guns for so long already, and guns were suddenly available to civilians and this shit happened (it's bad enough that these massacres can be considered a regular occurrence) You'd all be up in arms saying Why The Fuck Are These Weapons In The Hands Of People? The same way you guys are now suggestin armed security guards in school and shit when in the same line of thinking (wanting your freedoms) in any other context you guys are complaining about the police state etc Yiu can't have it both ways. With unbridled freedom comes risk.
 
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BlazedMonkey

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pmumbry said:
What makes an assault rifle any different from any semiautomatic rifle or pistol? the way it looks? All do the same task: fire bullets at a high rate. If they ban "assault" rifles, it will not end there. in the UK they did not stop until all cartridge fired devices were outlawed. They did not learn from WW2 when they had to beg the USA for weapons and help from being smashed by Hitler because their own populace was practically gunless. I can buy or make or have made high capacity magazines for any semiautomatic weapon.
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I like this post. I think its obvious that if you are crazy and want to hurt people you will use a knife (china) or bomb or whatever you have access too, but if there was an invasion it would make sense for the people to have weapons.

I just dont like the idea of some altercation and instead of a fight or some words being tossed about; someone's a gangster or a hot head and pulls out thier legal gun and we have victims or worse casualties.

More guns out there means that this scenario is more likely to happen, how likely are we really to be invaded?
 
justanotherbozo

justanotherbozo

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BlazedMonkey said:
I like this post. I think its obvious that if you are crazy and want to hurt people you will use a knife (china) or bomb or whatever you have access too, but if there was an invasion it would make sense for the people to have weapons.

I just dont like the idea of some altercation and instead of a fight or some words being tossed about; someone's a gangster or a hot head and pulls out thier legal gun and we have victims or worse casualties.

More guns out there means that this scenario is more likely to happen, how likely are we really to be invaded?
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if the 'victims' are also packing heat then, in very short order you will have one dead gangster!

...so more legal guns being out there means this scenario is LESS likely to happen.

bozo
 
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