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cannabineer said:

Sentiment is a wholly contained subset within the set labeled opinion. Fact and opinion do not overlap. A is opinion and B is sentiment in the following.

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While Biden’s opinion is based in fact, the opinion is not a fact. What is fact is that he aired the opinion while everyone was listening.

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DIY-HP-LED said:

Without getting too philosophical, the theory of natural selection is basically an opinion too, one based on evidence though. All hypotheses and theories are opinions, experiment falsifies them, or not. However we are not applying scientific standards to this particular situation, this one deals more in the art of dealing with bullies and not too much philosophy, though a little science wouldn't hurt along with expert opinion.

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cannabineer said:

That is where we diverged. I largely agree with the first half of this post. I focused on the distinction between sentiment and fact, full stop. The other things you and Roger brought up I consider to be incidental to my argument but not to my point. I’m not arguing for or against the offered incidentals.

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DIY-HP-LED said:

If ya look at Vlad's biography and what drives and drove him, he's no that hard to read, in fact he's actually a simple minded sonofabitch. His mind is not that hard to read, if you can put yourself in his place and understand him a bit. We are products of our past and our reactions to that past, the best predictor of future behavior is past performance. Predicting Vlad has become more easy, the more he exposes himself, by the way he is dealing with his many problems that are multiplying daily. Vlad was good at gaining and holding power and not much else, he's conflated his identity with that of the nation, he believes his own PR to an extent and it inflated his ego accordingly. How Vlad is dealing with his many problems is of keen interest to the group of shrinks they have crunching Vlad and their opinion is noted in the daily PDB that Joe reads. They will suggest new problems and statements to see how he reacts while they study him like a cockroach under a microscope. They will be looking as closely as the can at his inner circle too and have access to classified information from spies and electronic surveillance that we don't see.

I don't think his statement in Poland was a gaffe, it was a poke.

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cannabineer said:

That is where we diverged. I largely agree with the first half of this post. I focused on the distinction between sentiment and fact, full stop. The other things you and Roger brought up I consider to be incidental to my argument but not to my point. I’m not arguing for or against the offered incidentals.

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DIY-HP-LED said:

I consider morality to be a product of human social evolution for the most part and some sentiments have more validity than others, those based on facts. Murder is wrong everywhere all the time and against the law everywhere, so is stealing and so was adultery in earlier days, for pragmatic reasons too, Even 100,000 years ago anti social behavior got ya ostracized by the chief, a death sentence back then, he had to do it because everybody in the clan thought or the majority agreed with the sentence. Other things are built into our nature that can over ride our naturally social nature, things like tribalism, which causes a casscade of emotional reactions and a lowering of empathy for the "other". Recently the "other" for us has been the Russians and in particular their war chief, mad Vlad. Some people have completely lost empathy for the Russian people or soldiers, who are victims to for the most part, others have not lost their humanity, or modulate it appropriately.

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cannabineer said:

I’ll add my opinion that ostracism did not necessarily kill. The implied contract was “find another tribe because we are done with you.” Some solitaries surely survived, and others did find a new tribe. Bet if new tribe warred with old tribe, the exile was in there with a literal vengeance.

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DIY-HP-LED said:

We spent most of our evolution as tribes and clans, agrarian civilization is a recent thing and has not had nearly as much of an impact on our social behavior than the 200,000 years we spent surviving before that. Humans are deeply social beings and it is difficult to survive outside of a social context, we naturally organize ourselves into hieratical groups based on dominance. When humans face a problem we come together organize, employ experience and imagination to over come it. If a tiger was taking the children of a village, the men would come up with a plan to get the fucker under the leadership of the chief. For much of our evolution other humans or proto humans were our foes and we adapted evolutionarily to kill our enemies, so our group could survive.

Many of the personal problems people face are social/emotional in nature and the two are intertwined like the strands of a rope. So is emotion and reason, which is most often used to rationalize emotion brought on by conditioned feelings of approach and avoidance that we share with all conscious creatures. Every thing is built up from basic feelings to complex emotions that only socialized creatures can feel based on attachment and empathy. Thinking comes last in humans and evolution.

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printer said:

Russian oligarch, Ukrainian negotiators had symptoms of suspected poisoning: report
Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich and Ukrainian peace negotiators reportedly had symptoms indicating a possible poisoning after a meeting in Kyiv earlier this month.

After their meeting, Abramovich and two senior Ukrainian negotiators, including Crimean Tatar lawmaker Rustem Umerov, had symptoms including red eyes, constant and painful tearing and peeling skin on their faces and hands, The Wall Street Journal reported.

A person close to Abramovich told the Journal it was unclear who specifically targeted the trio, but people familiar with the matter placed blame on figures in Moscow who were attempting to foil talks to end the war.

Those sources also told the newspaper that the symptoms for Abramovich and the negotiators had improved and their lives were not in danger.

They added that Western experts were unable to determine if the reaction was from a chemical or biological agent or an electromagnetic-radiation attack, the Journal reported.

But a U.S. official said their condition was due to an "environmental" reason "E.g., not poisoning," according to Reuters.

Ukrainian negotiator Mykhailo Podolyak said "there is a lot of speculation, various conspiracy theories" when asked about the report, Reuters noted.

Umerov also told people not to trust "unverified information," the news service reported.

The Kremlin has previously said that Abramovich played a role in early talks between Russia and Ukraine, but now negotiations are between the two countries, with the next round of in-person talks set to take place in Istanbul on Tuesday, Reuters added.

Russian oligarch, Ukrainian negotiators had symptoms of suspected poisoning: report

Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich and Ukrainian peace negotiators reportedly had symptoms indicating a possible poisoning after a meeting in Kyiv earlier this month. After their meeting, Abram…

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Whatever it was from, it shows it was due to the local and not two different people coming down with the same thing by chance. Wonder if they had some UV emiter aimed at them?

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cannabineer said:

I provisionally place the appearance of the current winner species at a hundred thousand years ago.

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cannabineer said:

I provisionally place the appearance of the current winner species at a hundred thousand years ago.

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DIY-HP-LED said:

We weren't too different than the ones we killed off, all wolves look alike for a reason, same one applied to humans too.

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printer said:

Russia Spent Half Billion in Missile Attacks Day Biden Spoke
Russia fired at least 70 missiles on targets across Ukraine on Saturday, the most since invading the country last month, The Insider has reported.

The massive attack came on the same day that President Joe Biden gave a speech in Warsaw in which he slammed Russian President Vladimir Putin for launching the invasion and for the viciousness of the war.

The Insider, a Russian investigative journalist project, reported that 52 missiles were fired from Black Sea Fleet warships in Sevastopol and at least 18 from Belarus, with the total amount spent on the missiles and the logistical cost reaching some half a billion dollars that day.

Despite the massive Russian attack, Ukraine's air defense also set a record for this war in the number of missiles it shot down in one day, as only eight of the 70 missiles fired by Russia engaged their targets, according to The Insider.

Among those shot down were several cruise missiles, suggesting that Ukraine has recently gained the ability to bring down such missiles, Defense World reported.

In addition, Russian missiles are failing to explode at a significant rate, which experts speculate could be due to lax quality control as the Russian army hastens to get them to the war front.

Lviv Regional Military Administration head Maksym Kozytsky said two of the missile strikes were on an oil depot and defense plant in the city. In that attack five people were injured as fires broke out at both sites, The Insider reported.

According to Defense World, the Russian military reported that attack was with high-precision long-range weapons, which destroyed a large fuel base that provided gasoline to Ukrainian troops in the western regions of the country, as well as near Kyiv.

Russia Spent Half Billion in Missile Attacks Day Biden Spoke

Russia fired at least 70 missiles on targets across Ukraine on Saturday, the most it has shot since invading the country last month, The Insider has reported.

www.newsmax.com

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