War

DIY-HP-LED said:

A short war is now looking more likely the way I see it, with the food crises and inflation, ending it quickly would be best for all concerned. I keep coming back to oil and gas as prime motivators for Europe, Ukraine, America and eastern Europe will want the Russians defeated and a strong Ukraine as a buffer. Some Europeans are notoriously self interested and increasingly their interests are in a swift Ukrainian victory, while avoiding getting nuked of course. They have little choice with America, Canada and eastern EU and NATO members in favor of a Ukrainian victory and driving the Russians out. Russia playing with Europe's gas valve, during their summit, did not help, it was something Trump would do. I think the Russians might be dealing with their own version of Trump and he is trapped in Ukraine by hubris and ego.

You've seen his latest pick for General? The big old retired drunk with the custom combats.

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i don't think they can accelerate things much more than they are. they're delivering weapons and supplies all day, every day. after they're delivered to Poland or Lithuania or Moldova or w/e, they still have to be broken up, loaded on trucks, and delivered to hidden secured depots for distribution. i don't think they can accelerate that process much more. there are bottlenecks, security issues...the russians have satellites and maps, they know where the planes are landing, and they know where the trucks are heading when they leave...

Roger A. Shrubber said:

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/rouble-rises-towards-50-vs-dollar-first-time-since-may-2015-2022-06-29/

they've been artificially keeping the ruble jacked up for a couple of months now, there was no chance they could do it for an extended period of time. it will crash soon, and it will leave a pretty big crater when it does. if they intend to keep doing it, they'll have to cut spending by their states, which will be highly unpopular with the people.
by this time next year, you'll need a 5 gallon bucket of rubles to buy a potato

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Actually they are going through deflation from what I read yesterday. That is not the sign of a healthy economy when you have to drop prices.
Russian Officials Take Pride In Curbing Inflation, But Deflation May Prove The Greater Menace
June 28, 2022

The West is battling inflationary pressures stimulated by monetary policy during the worst of Covid and compounded by higher energy prices since the start of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Inflation is arguably President Joe Biden's biggest headache. In contrast to the West, prices are going down, to the delight of Russian officialdom and the ruble is the best performing currency of late. But there can be too much of a good thing and Russia may have to cope with deflation. Mikhail Sergeyev, who heads Nezavisimaya Gazeta's economic department reports that Russia may be facing a major recession reminiscent of America's Great Depression and Japan's decade of stagnation. Deflation could result in layoffs and unemployment as consumer demand and investments contract. Furthermore, Russia's emergence from a deflationary tailspin could drag on due to the uncertainty factor prompted by the sanctions on Russia.

"The Russian economy is on the verge of stalling into a deflationary tailspin. The decline in retail and wholesale prices is already encouraging the postponement of purchases and investments. After all, what is the point of buying metal, apartments, planks, or other construction materials today if their prices are literally depreciating every month? As the history of the Great Depression in the US, or the example of the multi-year stagnation in Japan have demonstrated, it takes more than a decade to get out of the deflationary spiral

DIY-HP-LED said:

A short war is now looking more likely the way I see it, with the food crises and inflation, ending it quickly would be best for all concerned.

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Who's best concern? Ukraine is still trying to get weapons. Russia still wants the coastal region. The rest of the world does not matter to the two at the moment.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

i don't think they can accelerate things much more than they are. they're delivering weapons and supplies all day, every day. after they're delivered to Poland or Lithuania or Moldova or w/e, they still have to be broken up, loaded on trucks, and delivered to hidden secured depots for distribution. i don't think they can accelerate that process much more. there are bottlenecks, security issues...the russians have satellites and maps, they know where the planes are landing, and they know where the trucks are heading when they leave...

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To interdict them they need long range precision weapons, something they are both short of and are not very good at from what I've seen in the media. The arms are tricking in at a constant rate and that rate does appear to be accelerating. Meanwhile the Russians appear to be down to derelict generals and obsolete equipment already and are using drones from other government departments.

Is the UK ready for a fight with Russia? | Sir Richard Barrons
20,447 views Jun 29, 2022 "They've got to be able to fight in circumstances where people will get hurt and killed and terrible things will happen." Sir Richard Barrons discusses the mentality that British Soldiers will have to adopt to face down Putin's army.

DIY-HP-LED said:

To interdict them they need long range precision weapons, something they are both short of and are not very good at from what I've seen in the media. The arms are tricking in at a constant rate and that rate does appear to be accelerating. Meanwhile the Russians appear to be down to derelict generals and obsolete equipment already and are using drones from other government departments.

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lol your idea of a ukraine win is constantly losing cities and towns eh?


just read the comments please, here I'll post a few of them since you'll have your virtue signal at full defense:

"Wow! He calls winning the city is symbolically significant for the Russians, and the Ukrainians just gave it to them. Unbelievable Propaganda. "

"Ukraine is sucessfully intercepting Russian misiles with their buildings."

"Everyday I come here and everyday is either Russia losing the war or 80% of its soldiers are uncapable of combat... But still Russia eats like a Pac-Man the Ukrainian territory XD "

funny how they were running out of fuel and ammo 2 weeks into the war, I guess they found reserve gas station or something.

"Big media always hires an expert ( Aka well educated idiot) to talk about a well coordinated pre arranged narrative with the hope that regular people must always trust him and truly believe whatever the expert says. "


"seems weird to not mention Ukraine retreated because the Russians advanced from the south-west of Lysychansk threatening the retreating routes. The Ukrainians aren't having the best time retreating because of this. Referring to the WaPo article. "

"remember its not a retreat its an advance to the rear!!! "

"So glad to hear the Ukrainians are retreating tactically and not getting obliterated by the Russians "

literally every comment is calling balogne on all this propaganda bs, but sure keep believing ukraine is gonna pull this one out. I heard thehill has no bias or anything.

jsatch said:

lol your idea of a ukraine win is constantly losing cities and towns eh?

just read the comments please, here I'll post a few of them since you'll have your virtue signal at full defense:

"Wow! He calls winning the city is symbolically significant for the Russians, and the Ukrainians just gave it to them. Unbelievable Propaganda. "

"Ukraine is sucessfully intercepting Russian misiles with their buildings."

"Everyday I come here and everyday is either Russia losing the war or 80% of its soldiers are uncapable of combat... But still Russia eats like a Pac-Man the Ukrainian territory XD "

funny how they were running out of fuel and ammo 2 weeks into the war, I guess they found reserve gas station or something.

"Big media always hires an expert ( Aka well educated idiot) to talk about a well coordinated pre arranged narrative with the hope that regular people must always trust him and truly believe whatever the expert says. "


"seems weird to not mention Ukraine retreated because the Russians advanced from the south-west of Lysychansk threatening the retreating routes. The Ukrainians aren't having the best time retreating because of this. Referring to the WaPo article. "

"remember its not a retreat its an advance to the rear!!! "

"So glad to hear the Ukrainians are retreating tactically and not getting obliterated by the Russians "

literally every comment is calling balogne on all this propaganda bs, but sure keep believing ukraine is gonna pull this one out. I heard thehill has no bias or anything.

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Means nothing as they transition to NATO arms, the Russians are paying a heavy price in blood and they don't have much to spare. When the Ukrainians accumulate enough arms and the Russians are worn away more attacking, they will begin counter offensive operations. Territory is traded for advantage all the time in war and the Ukrainians use maneuver in defense, not fixed positions. The Russians will find defensive positions won't help them much either, when offensive operations begin in earnest.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Means nothing as they transition to NATO arms, the Russians are paying a heavy price in blood and they don't have much to spare. When the Ukrainians accumulate enough arms and the Russians are worn away more attacking, they will begin counter offensive operations. Territory is traded for advantage all the time in war and the Ukrainians use maneuver in defense, not fixed positions. The Russians will find defensive positions won't help them much either, when offensive operations begin in earnest.

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not much to spare? They initially used a grand total of 5 percent of their army and are now at 15%

jsatch said:

not much to spare? They initially used a grand total of 5 percent of their army and are now at 15%

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This is his latest general, he's been firing them a lot and over a dozen were killed. He's an easy target and this retired alcoholic derelict does not inspire confidence! Kinda looks like Vlad is scrapping the bottom of the barrel, doesn't it?




Obese retired Russian general, 67, sent to Ukraine as Putin runs low on commanders
General Pavel weighs 20 stone and is now aged 67 but has been put in charge of troops in eastern Ukraine because Vladimir Putin is running low on senior commanders

An obese retired Russian general has been shipped to the frontlines in Ukraine as Vladimir Putin runs low on senior officers.

The "second rate" 20 stone commander is understood to be overseeing special forces operating amid the offensive in the war-torn country's east.

The 67-year-old - known as Major General Pavel - was called upon after the unit’s former highest ranking officer was seriously injured in an artillery strike, reports the Daily Star.

jsatch said:

not much to spare? They initially used a grand total of 5 percent of their army and are now at 15%

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Please show how these numbers are arrived at.

Now yer starting to get the idea Vlad, we want to assert total domination over you and destroy your army that has been sucked into Ukraine and pinned there. If given the arms the Ukrainians have demonstrated to allied military experts that they can defeat the Russian army and probably destroy most of it. The Russians are either at yer throat or at yer knees, keep them at your knees, until Ukraine teaches them civilization. If Ukraine wins this war, ejects the Russians and develops it's oil and gas, we won't have to worry about Russia, Ukraine will deal with them and if Belarus is liberated the process of changing Russian culture and politics will be taken care of by them and their wealth, because both countries are sitting on top on gas and pipelines to Europe run over the gas fields in Belarus too.

DIY-HP-LED said:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1542306328768552960

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wow, that is amazingly fast...they usually have a multi step process,

looks like putin does have one super human power...he can make NATO move faster than a speeding
russian artillery shell

Roger A. Shrubber said:

wow, that is amazingly fast...they usually have a multi step process,
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looks like putin does have one super human power...he can make NATO move faster than a speeding
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These Two are not ordinary nations, they are both military tigers and arms suppliers. They have integrated logistics, communications and weapons systems over the years to NATO standards and are considered allied nations, also they have trained and even fought in Afghanistan with NATO forces, I believe. These guys are more assets than burdens and would be vital for the defense of the Baltic states and control of the Baltic sea.

I figure Ukrainian oil and gas are what is speeding their entry into the EU, it would give them energy independence. The destruction of the Russian army is required for long tern Ukrainian security and the development of it's oil and gas, not to mention the export of food. The eastern Europeans are holding the EU's feet to the fire and preventing a sellout of Ukraine, they want Russia destroyed, it is their security at stake. It is even in Turkey's interest as I've argued several times. All the stars are lining up and the Russian army is in the way of a lot of people making a lot of money and solving Europe's energy problems.

Call me cynical, but greed is the motivator for the reluctant Europeans and that means they will go from reluctant to jumping on the bandwagon. Those who want Russia off the table are not motivated by greed, but by fear and anger, but the greed will come later. How much oil and gas per day did Russia sell to Europe? 2 billion a day? Ukraine's pre war annual military budget was around 6 billion dollars I believe, so imagine what they could do with over 700 billion coming in a year, with a population of 44 million. Then there is the confiscated Russian money that might finance much of it and reconstruction. So it's not like there aren't potential rewards for the Ukrainians and Europeans too.

Let's talk about an update on Ukraine and Russia....

Roger A. Shrubber said:

wow, that is amazingly fast...they usually have a multi step process,
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All steps were taken. Finland sent the letter of intent on may 18th. Erdogan was the only one to slow things down to blackmail US for some f16s. It wasn't really a surprise fi and swe would join as both nations have signed prior treaties with nato and have practised with nato troops extensively.