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Roger A. Shrubber

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Think tank says the West could help Ukraine source Soviet-era equipment from non-NATO countries
Rescue operations underway after Russian missile attacks in Serhiivka district of Odessa, Ukraine which left at least 17 people dead and 31 injured on July 1, 2022.

Rescue operations underway after Russian missile attacks in Serhiivka district of Odessa, Ukraine which left at least 17 people dead and 31 injured on July 1, 2022.
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Ukraine requires sustained support from countries outside of NATO to provide sufficient Soviet-era arms and ammunition to continue its fight with Moscow, according to a new report by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.
While the West should continue working to transition Ukraine to NATO-standard equipment, the report noted this will take time and training. For now, Ukraine is set to remain partially dependent on Soviet-standard equipment, the report said.
“Although Washington has scoured the stocks of NATO allies and the Pentagon has explored other potential options, an exhaustive search focusing on non-NATO countries reveals a robust supply of untapped Soviet- and Russian-made arms (and their attendant spare parts and ammunition) that Washington could help Kyiv expeditiously acquire,” said the report.
FDD, a nonpartisan, nonprofit research institute focusing on foreign policy and national security, identified more than 6,300 relevant systems from countries outside of NATO most likely to handover weapons to Ukraine. These countries were defined as those that voted in favor of Russian withdrawal from Ukraine at the U.N. General Assembly, voted to suspend Russia from the U.N. Human Rights Council or attended at least one meeting of the U.S.-organized Ukraine Defense Contact Group.
Natalie Tham

there are millions of artillery shells, rockets, grenades, spare parts...all sitting, waiting...to kill orcs.
they need to get several groups working on that, get the shit bought up, and start delivering the most needed stuff first.
all that artillery sitting on the sidelines because they have no ammo for it, suddenly brought back into play? the russians would not like that one little bit, which means i fucking love it.
 
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Roger A. Shrubber

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But that is not running on water. Hydrogen has been used for experimental cars, the big problem is the infrastructure to get the hydrogen. Not a lot of filling stations. Propane is easier.
the idea of either puts me off...gasoline is explosive enough, and it's not pressurized...driving around with a pressurized container of explosive gas seems like a very very bad idea to me

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/can-fuel-cell-vehicles-explode-like-hydrogen-bombs-on-wheels/
this ^ tries to reassure that since the chemical reaction is cold, hydrogen is safe...which was never my concern...my concern is what happens when you're in an accident? are those fuel cells designed to withstand a 50-60 mile an hour impact with another vehicle going the same speed? we're just supposed to take the auto industries word that this would be safe? the same people who brought you the audi 5000? the corvair? the yugo gv? the bmw isetta? the ford pinto?...we're supposed to take them at their word? :shock:
 
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cannabineer

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But that is not running on water. Hydrogen has been used for experimental cars, the big problem is the infrastructure to get the hydrogen. Not a lot of filling stations. Propane is easier.
The Newcomen engine (and every steam engine since) meets the definition.

Now for a heat engine that runs entirely on the energy already present in water (a verbose but necessary qualification) I suggest OTEC.

It must be noted that OTEC runs on a density inversion ultimately driven by the sun.
 

BudmanTX

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But that is not running on water. Hydrogen has been used for experimental cars, the big problem is the infrastructure to get the hydrogen. Not a lot of filling stations. Propane is easier.
not when you make a car do electrolysis it doesn't, that splits the water (h20) from hydrogen (h) and oxygen (o2)..then the hydrogen is used to propel the car...o2 is the waste......

and i agree with the propane..i've seen that used
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
the idea of either puts me off...gasoline is explosive enough, and it's not pressurized...driving around with a pressurized container of explosive gas seems like a very very bad idea to me
With the energy density of electrics reaching and exceeding that of thermite, I doubt they are safer than compressed hydrogen. Cf. the Tale of the Torching Tesla.

 

printer

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The Newcomen engine (and every steam engine since) meets the definition.

Now for a heat engine that runs entirely on the energy already present in water (a verbose but necessary qualification) I suggest OTEC.

It must be noted that OTEC runs on a density inversion ultimately driven by the sun.
Uh, no. It does not run on water as a fuel. You could say our car engines run on oil that lubricates the engine (not the gas) if you say they run on water. A VW air cooled engine runs on oil, other than the gas that actually creates the power.

not when you make a car do electrolysis it doesn't, that splits the water (h20) from hydrogen (h) and oxygen (o2)..then the hydrogen is used to propel the car...o2 is the waste......

But what power source is used to split the water? As a kid I rigged up an electrolysis experiment at home. Still needed electricity to do it. Thee car would run on electricity as a power source to get down the road. If you do not recharge the batteries the car will go nowhere even if it has water to split.
 

printer

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Roger A. Shrubber

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not when you make a car do electrolysis it doesn't, that splits the water (h20) from hydrogen (h) and oxygen (o2)..then the hydrogen is used to propel the car...o2 is the waste......

and i agree with the propane..i've seen that used
i don't think propane has enough potential energy to make a good fuel. i have driven a fork lift and a zamboni powered by propane, and the tanks don't last very long. you had to make sure you had a fresh tank on the zamboni before you started grooming the ice, or it would run out, and melt a big hole in the ice that took forever to refreeze...
 

BudmanTX

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i don't think propane has enough potential energy to make a good fuel. i have driven a fork lift and a zamboni powered by propane, and the tanks don't last very long. you had to make sure you had a fresh tank on the zamboni before you started grooming the ice, or it would run out, and melt a big hole in the ice that took forever to refreeze...
imo propane is an iffy fuel.....i can be used though, for my thinking what for........like us said fork lift, zamboni, maybe it can be expanded to farm vehicles...tractors maybe or something else....idk
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Uh, no. It does not run on water as a fuel. You could say our car engines run on oil that lubricates the engine (not the gas) if you say they run on water. A VW air cooled engine runs on oil, other than the gas that actually creates the power.

not when you make a car do electrolysis it doesn't, that splits the water (h20) from hydrogen (h) and oxygen (o2)..then the hydrogen is used to propel the car...o2 is the waste......

But what power source is used to split the water? As a kid I rigged up an electrolysis experiment at home. Still needed electricity to do it. Thee car would run on electricity as a power source to get down the road. If you do not recharge the batteries the car will go nowhere even if it has water to split.
To me, “runs on” means the more generic “is needed for its operation”, which is why I posted. The original statement did not specify that water be the source of the energy … but could be the necessary transfer agent.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
i don't think propane has enough potential energy to make a good fuel. i have driven a fork lift and a zamboni powered by propane, and the tanks don't last very long. you had to make sure you had a fresh tank on the zamboni before you started grooming the ice, or it would run out, and melt a big hole in the ice that took forever to refreeze...
better than bioethanol which
1) is stupid wasteful land use promoted by big ag
2) is 2/5 by mass dead weight
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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https://www.newsweek.com/russia-state-tv-reinstate-donald-trump-president-us-1721905

are the russians drinking their own kool-aid?
do they really have the time and resources right now to try to meddle in our affairs again?
i would imagine that they would have anyone capable working to defend their own systems from the horde of hackers who are constantly trying to shut them down.
Haven't heard anything from "Anonymous" since March, wonder what they've been up to?
 

BudmanTX

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https://www.newsweek.com/russia-state-tv-reinstate-donald-trump-president-us-1721905

are the russians drinking their own kool-aid?
do they really have the time and resources right now to try to meddle in our affairs again?
i would imagine that they would have anyone capable working to defend their own systems from the horde of hackers who are constantly trying to shut them down.
Haven't heard anything from "Anonymous" since March, wonder what they've been up to?
usually they will post things on they're twitter account on what they are doing......

well least we know now who colluding with who.......go figure
 

Budley Doright

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better than bioethanol which
1) is stupid wasteful land use promoted by big ag
2) is 2/5 by mass dead weight
My work van in the 80’s ran on propane and worked ok. I don’t recall any issues. We had a few, they were kind of a thing, lots of cabs ran propane here as well.
 

Lucky Luke

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i don't think propane has enough potential energy to make a good fuel. i have driven a fork lift and a zamboni powered by propane, and the tanks don't last very long. you had to make sure you had a fresh tank on the zamboni before you started grooming the ice, or it would run out, and melt a big hole in the ice that took forever to refreeze...
Australia had a federally funded scheme about a decade ago where the gov would subsidize a petrol car to be converted to Gas. They seem to work well until they get older. Most taxis and buses in Australian cities run on gas.


We have a local shipping company using Gas powered ships. They have this one and another being built.
 
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