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Fogdog

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@printer I mean you're arguing with some grade A tactical advide there. Why do you think that when you surround an army you shoudn't leave an outlet free? It seem like som strange advice to offer. Why are you offering it?
lulz at Grade A. Art of War was written in 500 BC and talked of using chariots.

You seem confused as to what "leave an outlet free" might mean. Otherwise I don't see what alternative point you're trying to make here.
Sun Tzu was talking about an army that was still able to fight. In his time, that meant something very different than today. If you read the AOW, you'll see there are plenty of contradictions. That is because there is no recipe for winning a war. Sun Tzu wrote the Art of War, not The Dummy's Guide to War.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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Dozens of generals and colonels liquidated, positions defeated: Russian army collapses
8,381 views Sep 10, 2022 Thousands Russian servicemen have been killed over the past week alone. Reports confirmed by the Russian side about the deaths of officers and regular military personnel are appearing with increasing frequency. Because of the losses on the frontline battles, top officers, generals and colonels are forced to get close to the contact line, where they are killed thanks to the actions of Ukraine’s intelligence, and then the strike force. Every fifth among those liquidated was an officer. How significant are the losses of the Russian army – watch our story.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Thanks! I just watched. Is it really true they took 3000 Sq KM back?
I think so, they are taking new ground all the time, advances are rapid in these kind of situations and the Ukrainians have large reservist forces who can hold and mop up the ground they take ,multiplying their combat power and dealing with POWS and gathering up Russian equipment. The Ukrainians will exploit their advantage while the Russians are disorganized, confused and out of position. What they take they can hold, thanks to their territorials, they have over a million men under arms and most are reservists. Expect large numbers of prisoners, perhaps as many as 20K in the east and anther 20k in the bag on the southern front over the next month. Also expect the capture of lot's of equipment and ammo, enough to equip a couple of Ukrainian battalions or more.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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The Ministry of Defense explained the retreat of troops from Izyum and Balakliya
Russian troops in the areas of Izyum and Balakliya were regrouped to build up efforts in the Donetsk direction, this was done in order to achieve the goals of the special operation in Ukraine. So the retreat from the two cities was explained in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation , as the official representative of the department, Lieutenant General Igor Konashenkov , told reporters .

According to him, the operation to curtail and transfer the Izyum-Balakley group of Russian troops to the territory of the DPR was carried out within three days. For the sake of this, the RF Armed Forces carried out diversionary measures, indicating the real actions of the troops.

“In order to prevent damage to Russian troops, a powerful fire defeat was inflicted on the enemy using aviation, missile troops and artillery,” the Defense Ministry added, announcing the destruction of more than two thousand Ukrainian military personnel and foreign mercenaries during these three days.

Earlier it became known that Russian units had to leave Izyum.

On September 8, it became known about the beginning of the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) in the Kharkiv region towards the cities of Balakleya , Izyum and Kupyansk .

Putin said that the participants of the special operation give their lives for Russia
Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the participants in the special operation are giving their lives for Russia. The head of state spoke about this during an event on the occasion of the 875th anniversary of the founding of Moscow.

“The servicemen who died during the special military operation gave their lives for Russia,” he said. His words are broadcast by the Russia 24 TV channel. Putin also explained that specialists from Moscow, in difficult conditions, are doing everything to prepare Donetsk and Luhansk for the winter period.

Earlier URA.RU reported that in Russia the number of citizens who trust the President of the Russian Federation has increased . Judging by the VTsIOM poll, the approval rate for the president’s activities from August 29 to September 4, 2022 was 76.8%. Putin also raised the issue of providing housing for military personnel at a meeting of the Security Council, writes RT .

The head of the special forces "Akhmat": about a third of the reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed near Kharkov
Approximately a third of the Ukrainian forces thrown into the offensive in the south and in the Kharkiv region were destroyed. This was announced by the head of the special forces "Akhmat" Apti Alaudinov.

“Forces abandoned by the Armed Forces of Ukraine for a counteroffensive in the south and in the Kharkiv region cannot change the general course of the war, no matter how hard they try. I can state that a third of these forces have been disabled, ”Alaudinov said on the air of the Solovyov Live program.

Earlier, the Armed Forces of Ukraine launched an offensive in the direction of the Nikolaev and Kherson regions, the Russian military repelled all attacks, the Russian Defense Ministry said. Also, Ukrainian troops tried to attack the Kupyansky district of the Kharkov region.

Russian Permanent Representative to the UN Vasily Nebenzya said that there could be no question of any “breakthrough” of the Ukrainian troops during their “counteroffensive”. " National News Service " reported that the authorities of the Kherson region captured the participants in the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The Ministry of Finance spoke about the difficulties with the budget of Russia
The Russian budget for the next three years will be the most difficult in a professional career for Finance Minister Anton Siluanov . He admitted this on the air of the Russia 24 TV channel, TASS quotes .

“I think that the budget for the upcoming three years will be the most difficult in my professional career,” he said.

Earlier, Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin spoke about the growth in oil and gas revenues of the Russian budget after the introduction of Western sanctions - it increased by almost 50 percent. For his part, the head of the Accounts Chamber of Russia, Alexei Kudrin , noted that the main weakness of the Russian economy is still dependence on the export of hydrocarbons.

Economic Development Minister Maxim Reshetnikov assured that the situation in the Russian economy as a whole is now better than expected.
what is putin going to do when he loses his war? how is going to explain all the lies? all the dead soldiers? he can't keep a total information blackout going forever. as soon as they lose, and the soldiers that live come home, the russians will hear what really happened. people are already getting around the information blockade, and they will show others how to do the same, more and more people will regain exposure to world news site, that all tell the same narrative, which doesn't match putin's narrative except in the remotest way...there were russian soldiers in Ukraine...that is pretty much where the stories diverge...
 

DIY-HP-LED

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what is putin going to do when he loses his war? how is going to explain all the lies? all the dead soldiers? he can't keep a total information blackout going forever. as soon as they lose, and the soldiers that live come home, the Russians will hear what really happened. people are already getting around the information blockade, and they will show others how to do the same, more and more people will regain exposure to world news site, that all tell the same narrative, which doesn't match putin's narrative except in the remotest way...there were Russian soldiers in Ukraine...that is pretty much where the stories diverge...
He's fucked and him and Trump might go down so close together they could hold hands on the way to Hell. Make no mistake it is policy to send both of them there, Joe speaks so softly you can hardly hear him. In both cases he just has to point to his competent people and say get him, that's it, nothing more. In both cases their arrogance brought them down and in both cases Joe's remedy was the same, slow steady strangulation with the help of allies. No nukes over Ukraine and no civil war when Donald bites the dust either. Meanwhile try to keep the house, get a useful senate majority and get shit for the country done by winning the election. The Russians are on the run and so are the republicans, both of the bastards are on their back feet fighting for survival. ;-)
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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The Ukrainians could take out Putin, just not with American weapons, but Ukraine is a fairly advanced country with access to global technology markets...
perhaps, but if they did it with a dirty nuclear device, that would more than likely be a war crime. it certainly ought to be.
even a nice clean one shot sniper kill from a distance would have repercussions...while i personally would buy all of Ukraine a beer, it would still be the sanctioned killing of a non combatant...i'm not sure if that would be "legal" or not...
 

cannabineer

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perhaps, but if they did it with a dirty nuclear device, that would more than likely be a war crime. it certainly ought to be.
even a nice clean one shot sniper kill from a distance would have repercussions...while i personally would buy all of Ukraine a beer, it would still be the sanctioned killing of a non combatant...i'm not sure if that would be "legal" or not...
There is really not much point in taking only Putin out. A cautionary tale seems apt here.

 

DIY-HP-LED

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perhaps, but if they did it with a dirty nuclear device, that would more than likely be a war crime. it certainly ought to be.
even a nice clean one shot sniper kill from a distance would have repercussions...while i personally would buy all of Ukraine a beer, it would still be the sanctioned killing of a non combatant...i'm not sure if that would be "legal" or not...
For Ukraine to take him out with a drone or a precision missile using conventional means would be perfectly legitimate. He is the head of their armed forces and primarily responsible for the attack on Ukraine, nobody would sanction them or say a peep, he is a war criminal. Ukraine probably has no law against political assassinations, few countries do, there is only retaliation. That's partly what's going on with the UK and Russia in Ukraine, they used weapons of mass destruction for political assassinations on British territory repeatedly FFS and now they will pay for it in blood.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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That is only one area. The Ukrainians will not be able to just roll through the rest of Ukraine. If Kherson was falling like the Kharkiv region then no real need for that many shells.

Ukraine to get 70 fighter jets from Poland, Slovakia & Bulgaria
Three NATO countries will deliver more than 70 warplanes for Kiev, Ukrainian Army representatives announced on Tuesday morning

Three NATO countries will deliver more than 70 warplanes for Kiev, Ukrainian Army representatives announced on Tuesday morning.

According to a statement published on Facebook, Poland, Bulgaria and Slovakia will provide over 70 MiG-29 and SU-25 aircraft that can be based at Polish airfields, RT reported.

ixteen MiG-29 planes and 14 SU-25s will be provided by Bulgaria. Poland will send 28 MiG-29 warplanes, and Slovakia can deliver 12 MiG-29 planes, the officials stated.
Well the thing about Kherson is the geography, the Russians are cut off from effective supply for 25 K troops. However the ground is flat with no cover, open fields. If the Russians run out on fuel they cannot maneuver over the large distances and their equipment becomes stationary targets with empty fuel tanks. Keeping low level heat on them causes them to use up ammo and sooner or later the troops will have to try and get out as best they can by crossing the river. It is kinda of an example of leaving these high quality Russian troops a way out (minus their equipment), rather than fight them on unfavorable ground.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Chopping the isolated Kherson pocket in half.


Satellite Photos of Three Bridges Over the Inhulets River, Kherson (07/09)
11,075 views Sep 10, 2022 Satellite photos of three key bridges over the Inhulets River, Kherson. In Oleksandrivka, Nosofiivka ans Barativka.
 

printer

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Kadyrov called "awesome" the situation in the Kharkov direction
The situation in the Kharkiv direction, from where the Russian troops retreated the day before, is interesting and even “awesome”. This was stated by the head of Chechnya Ramzan Kadyrov.

“The situation is very interesting, I would even say straight “awesome”. The fact that [Russian troops] left there, gave away several settlements – this also has its pluses, ”Ramzan Kadyrov said in his telegram channel.

He said that special units of the Russian Armed Forces were transferred to the Kharkiv direction to carry out special tasks. “They are in place, they stepped in and have already begun to work,” said the head of Chechnya.

Earlier, the Russian Ministry of Defense announced the regrouping of troops near Balakleya and Izyum. The Izyum-Balakleyskaya grouping was folded in three days and transferred to the DPR . Kadyrov called the talk about the retreat of Russian troops complete nonsense . He also promised that Russian troops would soon take Balakleya and Kupyansk , and also reach Odessa.

Pushilin announced the advancement of the DPR forces in many directions
Troops of the Donetsk People's Republic (DNR) are moving with difficulty in many directions. This was announced by the head of the DPR Denis Pushilin.

“Our guys are moving forward in many areas. It's hard, but they're moving forward," Denis Pushilin told TASS.

He also noted that the situation at the front is tense, but everything is under control. Meanwhile, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are in big trouble due to the fact that untrained fighters are sent to the front line, the head of the DPR added. He assured that the Ukrainian militants had no chance in the areas of Pavlovka, Nikolsky and Yegorovka.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported that the Izyum-Balakliya group of Russian troops was transferred to the territory of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR). The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, said that the opinion about the retreat of the RF Armed Forces is "complete nonsense . " The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine acknowledged the spread of fakes about the capture of settlements by the Armed Forces of Ukraine .

 
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