pastafarian81
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thank you for that informative and clever rhyme.........
water bongs is harmless or not?
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BCtrippin
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No not really, deluxe daddy vaporizer was $150 CDN, I spend more than that on glass bongs.
Im also not dissing bongs man, I said it before, Ill say it again, I love my bongs too, Vaporizers are just higher in pure THC content.
Yeah when you smoke the vape all day sometimes a big dirty bong hoot is exactly what you need to get ripped.
BCtrippin
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I can get $20 bongs too, but I did say compared to a glass bong, Ill spend a couple hundred on a nice glass bong with a bowl and ash catcher.
Landragon
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You didn't read the entire thread did you? The MAPS/NORMl study was quoted already. And in that study, joints were shown to be preferable over bongs.This questions was just on a show called Manswers on TBS.
My figures may not be exact nor do I claim this source to be right, but sounds about right to me.
% of available THC: Joint=28% bong=78% vaporizer=92%
I am guessing the low #'s for a joint are due to wasted second hand smoke and as THC vaporizes far below the temp of a burning joint, it is plausible that much vaporizes and is lost before actually smoked.
I have always felt like some of what is filtered out in bong water contributes to the overall high, this is why a high from a bong feels a little different. This is just my thoughts...Now for some science!
I am quoting from my Cannabis Doc's book from Chapter 9 entitled "difference in inhaled (smoked, vapor) vs eaten cannabis"
The chapter cites a study sponsored by CA NORML and MAPS (multidisciplinary Association for psychedelic studies) which found that "contrary to popular impression, water pipes don't necessarily protect smokers from harmful tars in marijuana smoke. [...] The reason is that water pipes filter out proportionately more psychoactive THC than than they do other tars, thereby requiring users to smoke more to reach their desired theraputic range."
Translation: THC is actually partially water soluable (not very much, don't worry and don't drink your bong water!). Bongs do not filter tar very well, they actually filter a little THC. (think about if you smoke that big binger load in four or five one hitters) The reason people hear that you get more tar is you may have to smoke more bud to get high therby smoking more tar. Bongs do not somehow increase the amount of tar in cannabis.
And as for moist air/smoke causing pneaumonia...This is either caused by a bacterium or a virus. Not a rainstorm! The cooled moist smoke is one reason why you can take a bigger hit. And your vaporizer is much nicer with a moisturizer (a bubbler for the end of the whip) I bubble mine through a small clean bong. Much easier on the lungs. No yes if you have some sort of respiratory infection...dry air may be better for you.
I will not trust a show called "manswers" or tbs in general dr my pot science. Especialy after claimin a form of combustion can deliver 78% thc. That's pure hogwash. And a joint really doesn't lose much on burn off between hits unless you wait minutes. Have you ever tried to get high by breathing on just that tiny whisp that comes off? It's almost impossible unless your tolerance is nonexistent.
Doctor Cannabis
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If you want to spend less, still get a killer vaporizer and be able to use your bong, get a VaporStar. It's some 35$ but is completely worth it. And if you like pipes, get a VaporGenie, 45$.
PS: A vaporizer is an investment. You'll be using half of the green you usually stuff in your regular bong bowl or pipe. Eventually the money you've paid for the vaporizer will balance out with the amount of green you're using.
BCtrippin
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He did say he might be off. But yeah, I totally agree, runoff is minimal unless you dont know how to roll
It depends how much of the joint you smoke, once lit the first half is vaporizing the last half.
Landragon
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I have rolled joints the same way for years. I backskin them to avoid any extra paper. I chop if really fine with scissors, and twist it tight. All my joints go out after 15-20 seconds of inactivity and that's the way I want it. I can consistently make .5 g last 2-3 times in a joint, what it would be in a bong. In fact when I run low, I roll everything. It allows mr to smoke just what I want.
Doctor Cannabis
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I do own a VaporStar (25 pounds, pipe included), an Ubie, a VaporGenie (45$) and a Vaporite electric vaporizer (cheap, 65$, free 4 piece grinder included). I tend to use them all, depending on my mood. Still, I consider that the best potency is delivered by the VaporStar and the electric vaporizer.
VaporStar fits in most any bongs or pipes and is much easier to use than an electric vaporizer, since it can be a bit hard to fiddle with the temp settings after 2-4 hits. Honestly, if you love bongs, it's an investment in quality and health. You don't feel the slightest urge to cough, the vapor is totaly pleasant and easy to inhale. I use half of the amount of weed I used to put in my bong bowl in order to get the same, or even a stronger high. And what's really great is that, after all that, your weed is still greenish and you can still make some nice hash oil. This doesn't happen with the electric vaporizer, where the weed becomes light to dark brown and no cannabinoids are left.
All in all, the VaporStar is my absolute favorite when it comes to consuming cannabis, or any other medicinal herb that can be inhaled.
mindphuk
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Vaporstar looks pretty awesome. It appears to work on the same principle as the VaporGenie and Vapor Buddy, correct?
I love my SSV, it is very efficient and the fresh air intake along with the ability to adjust the tempsis great, but thought about getting a VaporGenie for portability and/or just when I want to avoid using the electric SSV.
Doctor Cannabis
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It's the same principle of having a heat conducting element slowly heat up the bud inside. I do agree that those professional electric vaporizers are the real deal and the best when it comes to potency, but they run a steep price. I personally like my vaporgenie, although not as much as my vaporstar. It's still a fantastic way to smoke a pipe and is very efficient. I'd say it's perfect for a small, portable, easy to handle vaporizer.
The vaporstar does not have a ceramic plate, like a vaporgenie, but a metallic one.
BCtrippin
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Vapor Daddy electric vaporizers are great and one of the cheapest electric "table top" Vaporizers. $150 for the deluxe daddy with hands free wand.
It has a ceramic element that heats up, so when you hoot it it pulls in fresh air along the ceramic element heating it up, then the hot air is pulled through the weed which is held between 2 screens in the wand.
The best thing is the temp dial, these things are EXTREMELY adjustable, you can go from barely any heat thats just vaping the THC, to a glowing red hot element that will vaporize your weed instantly.
Being able to adjust temp like that is great, especially when you get to know your vaporizer and your herb, because you can really dial the things in.
And if you save all the vaporized remains you can make oil from it...I did lastnight and it was pretty damn good shit!
It has a ceramic element that heats up, so when you hoot it it pulls in fresh air along the ceramic element heating it up, then the hot air is pulled through the weed which is held between 2 screens in the wand.
The best thing is the temp dial, these things are EXTREMELY adjustable, you can go from barely any heat thats just vaping the THC, to a glowing red hot element that will vaporize your weed instantly.
Being able to adjust temp like that is great, especially when you get to know your vaporizer and your herb, because you can really dial the things in.
And if you save all the vaporized remains you can make oil from it...I did lastnight and it was pretty damn good shit!
IceWaterBong87
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i got a vaporite 130$ just like u described a vapor daddy with digital temp. like a wooden box made from woodworks class
Hayduke
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Well you got me there I did not. I usually read the entire posts. Sorry about that. It was really late, and the several pages I read said nothing.
You must not have read my single post though...cuz I put in a disclaimer for the 'Manswers" tv show.
Now the NORML/MAPS study that found that joints were better: Being better was based on the fact that because water filters a small amt of THC, now one will be forced to smoke more; and here is the gist of it, and therefore intake more tar because water does not filter out tar very effectively.
Now this whole idea is utter b.s.. I am a cheap ass bastard. If I could get high on less weed smoking joints, I totally would. I love smoking joints, but until my new garden can produce enough, I can not afford to roll fatties from overpriced wannabe-a-weed baron/gangster drug dealer punks.
I have smoked daily for longer than most members here have been breathing. I have a vape, I like it like a novelty, but you feel like you are missing something from the high.
Also, the kids nowadays seem to think hitting a bong is some kind of manly proving ground to see how big of a hit you can burn, suck and blowout long before most THC can be absorbed, then cough your ass off. What a waste. If you smoke bongs like that, it is much worse on your lungs (smoke inhillation) and a waste of good smoke. And bongs don't give you pneumonia!
Landragon
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I've seen some bongs that HAD pneumonia! Nasty bastards. As for the lung-punks they can take their chokers and have fun. I like my hits smooth. I really do get higher from joints than MOST bongs. I never roll fatties. Pencil thick or smaller is plenty. The well ground weed in the joint acts as a filter quite efficiently. It picks up tons of tars while letting the less sticky and smaller molecules of thc go through better. I do not smoke my roaches. I get more single buzzes off a joint, gram for gram, than anythng other than my Erbo. Four hits and I'm good on my weed. I get thirty hits or so per joint. I get high at least seven times off .5-.7 grams. The same amount would get me high 4-5 times in my tube, 6 off my udder and 10 off my Erbo.
Most people don't realize the set and setting aspect of cannabis, and how small an amount can produce pleasant effects. They pack a bowl and rip into it untill they feel high. If I rolled a joint and hit it between breaths, by the time I felt the onset, i would have smoked 2-3 x the amoun needed to sastisfy my self. If I am in a great mood and am well rested, a tiny puff will make me happy. If I am annoyed at something and allowing it to bum me, a couple hits don't touch the veneer of anger. Less is more. I really enjoy the aspect of smoking. I own a full size bookcase full of glass and keep them clean. I like to sit down and smoke out of several pipes. Basicaly I smoke way too much pot and tend to overindulge. I like the feeling of four hits of my jack and three of the other unknown strain I grow. However, if I take one hit, and walk away, within 30 minutes I feel very different. It a a bit racy and almost antsy. I feel much more HIGH than on four hits. Two hits and walk away gets me to where I feel uncomfortable slightly and like my conciousness is just in front of my head. I know these are weird descriptions but I swear they are accurate. Three or four hits gets me a full body melt as well as the raciness and very creative juices start to flow. I will state that I feel a more intense and ungrounded feeling from small amount of smoke. It is not unlike small doses of LSD when you don't know which way it will go and anticipation coupled with tingly body waves feels really speedy. For me at least.
I rarely vape as I really don't like the uniflavor aspect of it. I much prefer combusted fine cannabis to vaped fine cannabis. And when I do vape, I never stop at a buzz. I go full monty and and hide the keys. I generaly go till I feel like I'm on MDA and psylocibin combined. In fact..... Commence vaping!
Most people don't realize the set and setting aspect of cannabis, and how small an amount can produce pleasant effects. They pack a bowl and rip into it untill they feel high. If I rolled a joint and hit it between breaths, by the time I felt the onset, i would have smoked 2-3 x the amoun needed to sastisfy my self. If I am in a great mood and am well rested, a tiny puff will make me happy. If I am annoyed at something and allowing it to bum me, a couple hits don't touch the veneer of anger. Less is more. I really enjoy the aspect of smoking. I own a full size bookcase full of glass and keep them clean. I like to sit down and smoke out of several pipes. Basicaly I smoke way too much pot and tend to overindulge. I like the feeling of four hits of my jack and three of the other unknown strain I grow. However, if I take one hit, and walk away, within 30 minutes I feel very different. It a a bit racy and almost antsy. I feel much more HIGH than on four hits. Two hits and walk away gets me to where I feel uncomfortable slightly and like my conciousness is just in front of my head. I know these are weird descriptions but I swear they are accurate. Three or four hits gets me a full body melt as well as the raciness and very creative juices start to flow. I will state that I feel a more intense and ungrounded feeling from small amount of smoke. It is not unlike small doses of LSD when you don't know which way it will go and anticipation coupled with tingly body waves feels really speedy. For me at least.
I rarely vape as I really don't like the uniflavor aspect of it. I much prefer combusted fine cannabis to vaped fine cannabis. And when I do vape, I never stop at a buzz. I go full monty and and hide the keys. I generaly go till I feel like I'm on MDA and psylocibin combined. In fact..... Commence vaping!