Weird Issues

DrShiny

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Believe me, After my first clone has rooted, I will immediately transplant it into ff and go with that from now on. Eventually, I do also want to experiment with hydro systems etc. But soil is fine for me right now.

But anyway, the container the mother is currently in is only slightly smaller than 1 gallon so it should be perfect in this small enclosure. I drilled a shit ton of holes in the bottom. Taped up the sides to light proof. Its so perfect, I can't imagine a way I could do better.
 

apbx720

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Im going to chime in here and then move on. Germination and seedling stage. Medium: Either Happy Frog or Ocean Forest. I use Ocean Forest. Do not ammend. In this medium, YOU WILL NOT NEED TO THINK ABOUT FEEDING NUTRIENTS or ADJUSTING PH. Start your seed in a Dixy beer cup...poke a few small holes at bottom for drainage. Germinate and grow ur seedling for 15 to 20 days in that cup. Again...all your doing is watering at this point ( not hard to do ). After the 20 days u will have very impressive seedlings...super growth. Time to transplant. Take a 1 gal container. Once again fill with Ocean Forest and transplant your seedling. Once again...NO FEEDING NECESSARY OR PH ADJUSTING. Just add water!. Repeat this process every 15 to 20 days till seedling is 6 to 8 weeks old which is the pre flower stage. Get them to that stage and then we start talking FEEDING and very light feeding at that.

NO NUTRIENTS IN THAT MEDIUM FOR WEEKS....JUST WATER

Bear
Cant agree more!! Well put bear, great step by step explanation!

DrShiny- this is my last post n im moving on. I also cant help but to try n help you- a fellow grower(newb or vet) and more specifically, to help your plants. I cant help but to feel sorry for your poor plants as NO LIVING CREATURE SHOULD HAVE TO ENDURE SUCH TORTURE!! You would be wise to follow our advise. Do what bear said. Its not rocket science its easy as u will hopefully learn. She can handle a transplant trust me!! IT WONT KILL HER! Especially if yr transplant skills ate decent. Just try not to disturb the root ball as lil as possible. It cant get much worse than the current status. If u think you are seeing improvement now, wait til u transplant you will be mind blown! Get her in good soil FFOF, HF, or ROOTS ORGANIC( my prrsonal fave). Get off your phone and do it RIGHT THIS SECOND!!
 

apbx720

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Believe me, After my first clone has rooted, I will immediately transplant it into ff and go with that from now on. Eventually, I do also want to experiment with hydro systems etc. But soil is fine for me right now.

But anyway, the container the mother is currently in is only slightly smaller than 1 gallon so it should be perfect in this small enclosure. I drilled a shit ton of holes in the bottom. Taped up the sides to light proof. Its so perfect, I can't imagine a way I could do better.
NO! WRONG!! Its not perfect its too damn small!! Pulling off a bonzai mother is something u can do later aftet you learn how to grow a healthy plant. Right now u need to take away all the restrictions youve put on yr plants. Get at LEAST a 3 gal FABRIC pot. Ok thats it lol im gone! Peace and good luck i wish u nothing but the best!
 

SamsonsRiddle

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promix bx is a very good medium, too. it has no nutrients at all so you take care of all the nutrition instead of guessing what is in your fox farm product and if it is going to stabilize the ph as it claims it will.
 

DrShiny

Member
Well I finally figured out what the problem was with a ph strip.
The water coming out the bottom was at ph 3.7 holy shit balls. How? This is medium that hadn't been exposed to anything but tap water and 1/8 tsp per gallon miracle gro.
There has to be something in the peat moss that is highly acidic.
I added a tsp of baking soda to a gallon of water and flushed both plants.
Its only been about an hour and they are already at least light green in every spot that was yellow but not dead. The veins are getting dark green. And I was giving the poor thing vinegar when it was younger. :(
 

Resinhound

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You shouldnt use baking soda,it puts waaay too much sodium in the rootzone.This is just as bad or worse than the vinegar.Runoff ph is not a good indicator of medium ph.You are going to kill those plants or seriously damage them with all this nonsense.A transplant into decent soil was suggested some time ago.
 

daloudpack

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Cant agree more!! Well put bear, great step by step explanation!

DrShiny- this is my last post n im moving on. I also cant help but to try n help you- a fellow grower(newb or vet) and more specifically, to help your plants. I cant help but to feel sorry for your poor plants as NO LIVING CREATURE SHOULD HAVE TO ENDURE SUCH TORTURE!! You would be wise to follow our advise. Do what bear said. Its not rocket science its easy as u will hopefully learn. She can handle a transplant trust me!! IT WONT KILL HER! Especially if yr transplant skills ate decent. Just try not to disturb the root ball as lil as possible. It cant get much worse than the current status. If u think you are seeing improvement now, wait til u transplant you will be mind blown! Get her in good soil FFOF, HF, or ROOTS ORGANIC( my prrsonal fave). Get off your phone and do it RIGHT THIS SECOND!!
if u can find it at a local store fertilome ultimate is a fraction of the price and is also ph buffering and u wont need to feed till flower ... i pay 8$ for a 24 quart bag here ( which is enuff for a 16 oz cup transplanted to a 1 gallon bucket , transplanted to a 5 gallon bucket.... so thats one bag per plant life
 

DrShiny

Member
Chill bruh!
I'm going to get some FFOF tomorrow. I Just found 2 places that carry it and i'm off tomorrow.
All i'm saying is that the ph being that low clearly was the MAIN issue.
I'm sure she's only going to improve only so much before I fix the other things.
Oh yeah! It's a Girl! she has pretty tiny white hairs and preflowers.
And all 6 tips are growing in so beautifully. The growth on the new tips all looks perfect and waxy.

Anyway, problem solved. Low ph. I thought I might see if you guys could diagnose her but in the end I just had to buy the meter and figure it out for myself.
Anyway I'm still going to transplant it into the fox farms soil, because when I chose my medium, I didn't set out to need to monitor and adjust the ph so carefully.

And I have a few questions it would be cool if someone could help me with, cause i'm trying desperately to get it right this time.

1. Should I use the FF Ocean Forest alone, or do something like 1/4 perlite?
2. Should I pre-treat the soil with any flushing or fertilizer or anything?
3. How to I get the goddamn peat out of the roots without killing her?
4. How to I replant her roots in the new soil? never planted bare roots before. (and I can't seem to find a tutorial on this)
5. Now I guess I didn't clarify. These are all micro-grow plants. This plant was originally going to spend its life inside 5 gallon buckets. I See now that I have enough space that it doesn't make much sense to keep it that small, so I'm going to move up to a 32-Gallon Brute trash can. In the lid, I'm putting in a 100 watt LED fixture i'm building, and a 260 cfm duct fan, cutting intake vents in the bottom, and lining the inside with Mylar film. Question is. Problem? Good idea?
6. And considering the above description, do you think I should go with a 1 Gallon or 3 Gallon air-pot? I'm thinking that If I go with the 1 Gallon, I can even do like 3 or 4 plants at a time in there, and have different strains, just flower them earlier, and train them less. Maybe top them at 3 weeks, let it grow out another 3 weeks and flip it over?
 

Resinhound

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You didnt "figure out" shit...you caused your "low ph" by pouring vinegar on your plant.Now you are finally deciding to do the real fix that was suggested forever ago by people here,transplanting after you "fixed it".Just lol this has got to be the most retarded thread ever..LOL.
 

DrShiny

Member
You didnt "figure out" shit...you caused your "low ph" by pouring vinegar on your plant.Now you are finally deciding to do the real fix that was suggested forever ago by people here,transplanting after you "fixed it".Just lol this has got to be the most retarded thread ever..LOL.
It has been transplanted and flushed since I used the vinegar. Apparently, that is just the normal ph of peat moss. The backing soda it just temporary. I wanted to get it a little more healthy before I transplanted it again and this should do the trick. I'll transplant it into the right soil soon. It wasn't exactly easy to find good soil where I live.
 

Resinhound

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Good job dude glad you got it figured it finally.:bigjoint:

Good luck in your future growsbongsmilie:clap:

Our work is done here guys
 

polishpollack

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Shiny, you are too much. You've got a lot of crazy ideas. If you put a plant in a can, wind from a fan can't reach it. You must put a small fan blowing wind across the leaves to strengthen the stem and move air around and control temp. Don't change the soil. Just water it when it's dry. Don't use any container bigger than 10 gallons. Make sure you have enough soil. just pull the plant out and put it in the ff soil. don't worry about the roots or adding perlite. MAKE NO CHANGES FOR BEST GROW POSSIBLE UNDER YOUR CURRENT KNOWLEDGE BASE.
 

Resinhound

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I have to hang around for the trashcan thing now I guess...sigh....maybe he'll shock himself with his diy light,then the plants might have some hope for a short taste of life.
 

DrShiny

Member
I have to hang around for the trashcan thing now I guess...sigh....maybe he'll shock himself with his diy light,then the plants might have some hope for a short taste of life.
I know its not pretty.

But for ~$150.00 I will have a 32 Gal grow box with a 100 watt LED light source.

Shiny, you are too much. You've got a lot of crazy ideas. If you put a plant in a can, wind from a fan can't reach it. You must put a small fan blowing wind across the leaves to strengthen the stem and move air around and control temp. Don't change the soil. Just water it when it's dry. Don't use any container bigger than 10 gallons. Make sure you have enough soil. just pull the plant out and put it in the ff soil. don't worry about the roots or adding perlite. MAKE NO CHANGES FOR BEST GROW POSSIBLE UNDER YOUR CURRENT KNOWLEDGE BASE.
I have to be inventive. I have a very small closet and I'm poor.
Well I'm definitely going to have to change to to fox farms soil, I have no chance of keeping them alive in this shit.
And the ventilation is easy. A duck fan like this... http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-Inline-Duct-Fan-260CFM-Booster-Exhaust-Blower-Aluminum-Blade-Air-Cooling-Vent-/141014720471?hash=item20d521dfd7:g:~MUAAOSwT5tWGDS4
This fan goes in the lid as an exhaust fan.
Cut 4 small vent holes near the base and put pvc elbow joins over them to prevent light leaks.
 

mr sunshine

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I think a lot of people are jealous of you. You're good at figuring things out on your own , you're a natural. You're not the best grower on riu but you're well on your way.. you're top 10 for sure.
 

Alienwidow

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To the Widow,
Soilless means "does not include topsoil like what is outdoors." All potting soil is soilless. Dr. Shiny's recovery only proves that the plants needed fertilizer, which according to the first post, wasn't being done even though Shiny made mention of the plants being in organic mix. The term potting soil doesn't mean that it is soil. It would be more accurate to call the bagged products "potting soilless," but in the mind of the consumer this wouldn't make sense. When we see the word "less" we tend to think less than good, so the term potting soil was born. According to Widow's definition, I'm wrong because only potting soil contains fertilizer, but when you Google the term soilless growing medium, you get a return of potting soils that have fertilizer, like this:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=soilless+growing+medium
So something is wrong, either Widow is or Google. The truth is that both are partially right. The term potting soil really doesn't mean anything. It's just a term that people can relate to. All potting soils are soilless because as they may or may not have fertilizer or bacteria, it's not TOPSOIL, the stuff you find outdoors. That's the difference. It's the only difference. Just because a potting soil has nutes in it doesn't mean it's a soil. It's a soilless mix with nutrients that manufacturer's like to call potting soil. The idea being this: that if you buy potting soil, you get the nutrients like what topsoil will provide for plant growth. This is distinguished from soilless as soilless has less components to it and by itself won't grow plants. You have to fert them. So in this Widow is partially right. If you took potting soil and removed all of the nutrients, what would you have? Soilless, right?

"They are two totally different styles of growing."
Gotta disagree. One just has more stuff to it.

"One you feed every second or third watering at 3/4 reccomended dose max, and one you feed every watering at up to 1000% dose for huge 6 oz plants."

Huh? The whole point to using a nutrient-filled potting soil is so you don't have to add much in ferts. Using 1000% seems like such a silly statement... I'm stunned.
Ok ill explain this to you again, in pieces....
 
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