Well i dont like this one bit...

dzk, canna: Both of you aren't understanding what I've said, in this or other threads. I've never said top dress or to add more to a container. What I've said is, please read carefully... If a grower uses a large enough container with FFOF and nothing else, there's a very good chance that the fert in the soil will be enough to last the entire grow. You say that you're adding ferts and doubt that what I say is true. You are missing my point. What I keep seeing in this forum is that growers use FFOF soil and add more fert to it, apparently thinking they have to. I'm trying to tell people that you don't necessarily have to. When growers use bottle feeding like water, feed, water, feed, or some such thing, they usually ruin the plants. So... to take out the nonsense guesswork what a grower can do is use plenty of FFOF soil as if they are using a supersoil recipe. You shouldn't have to add any fert to supersoil provided you use a large enough container as it's important to give enough ferts for the duration and give the roots plenty of space to grow. The same thing can be achieved with FFOF, but you have to use a large enough container. It appears that both are you aren't transplanting, but instead are depending on your freedom to add nutrients whenever you feel it's necessary. For most growers, this is a problem. For some reason, people feel the need to feed, water, feed, or something similar. At least canna is trying to "read the plants," letting the change of color to dictate the next bottle feeding. I would imagine that your feedings aren't very frequent. My point in advocating FFOF soil is to depend on the soil to feed, i.e., allow the plant to feed at a natural rate without forcing it to consume more than it should. It takes the guesswork out of growing. That's my point. If you do the feed, water, feed thing, you're going to kill your plants eventually.
I dont believe I said you said anything lol. Nothing about my post was about you. Maybe got me confused with DZK?
When I said about just adding top soil, it was in response to HydroKid saying just add a little on top of the pot. And even then, everything in my post was my opinion and advice for the OP to do with as he sees fit.
I'm sorry if I've offended you or anyone else, not my intention.
Happy Growing
ALSO, to the OP, update us with anything you've done or tried since your post.
 

Dividedsky

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Ff ocean forest runs hot, could be a lil to much nitrogen if you been feeding bottle nutes as well. You might be starting to get lockout. I would just feed straight ph'd water by itself for a while..Do you have a ec/ ppm meter so you can see what you feeding ppms are at? Back in the day when I transplanted in the pot before in final pot in veg I would sometimes transplant into straight ff ocean forest and I would not need to feed bottle nutes at all sometimes for as long as over a month and half. 3 gals of ffof should have gotten you some decent time without having to feed nutes and you can just be feeding straight water. R/o or tap, whatever you use. I'd say definitely cut out the nutes for a bit and see how your the plants react.
 

Redwookiee

Active Member
It looks like nutrient burn to me. I don’t use ferts u til I see significant growth of the new stems and foliage. By that point the plant has used up most of what the soil has to offer. Seedlings will not die because you only give them so much water. If you added more ferts, then I can see that happening. Aim for when the plant reaches new stem growth. I’ve never done an auto flower, but I feel like the process is similar to a regular plant, just in shorter time.
 
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Dividedsky

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Basically dude, fox farm ocean forest has enough bennies and good stuff in there that you can just use plain water to feed them for awhile. Like I said, years ago when I used ffof, I could get my plants thru veg without even have to touch a bottle nute. The stuff by itself can produce some nice veg plants. I would mix ffof with pro mix and extra perlite before I transplanted into final pots before flipping the lights. I only grow photos, never grew and auto probably never will. Mix my own soil nowadays, I found some of those premix soils could be sketchy and have bad batches, heard horror stories of bug larvae etc. Sorry don't mean to worry you, lol.
 

TraeNOK

Member
on the topic of ocean forest. Has anyone tested the ppm of the runoff on a fresh bag of ocean forest? i see all these guesses and statements but not alot of numbers supporting either..
 

Gorillabilly

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I use happy frog and only OF when I can't get it. My experience with both are that they are fine without nutes for about 6 or 8 weeks with no nutes added. That is usually about time I switch to flower and start bloom nutes. I sometimes will add nute for veg for a week or 2 if I want it a little larger. Just my.02
 

polishpollack

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I use happy frog and only OF when I can't get it. My experience with both are that they are fine without nutes for about 6 or 8 weeks with no nutes added. That is usually about time I switch to flower and start bloom nutes. I sometimes will add nute for veg for a week or 2 if I want it a little larger. Just my.02
What size is the container you use for final veg/flower?
 

Gorillabilly

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Do you see discoloration, fade to yellow to additional nutrients? When I've told people to depend solely on OF soil, I prefer they understand to buy large containers, like 20 gallon totes from walmart.
Gotcha! Yea, if i aint on point with my nutes in flower I get issues. Just my style..
 
Just curious. Have you flushed recently? And if so, how?
When you've watered your plants, how much runoff you get?
Any purple or discoloration on the main stem/stalk?
Still seems like a nute deficiency to me. Interesting
 

polishpollack

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canna, are you referring to the OP? If so, they say they're using OF soil and feeding the trio ever other watering. If anything, any problems will be from fert overload.
Flushing is an old wives' tale. So is measuring quantity or pH of runoff. Shouldn't be necessary.
 

Silky T

Well-Known Member
dzk, canna: Both of you aren't understanding what I've said, in this or other threads. I've never said top dress or to add more to a container. What I've said is, please read carefully... If a grower uses a large enough container with FFOF and nothing else, there's a very good chance that the fert in the soil will be enough to last the entire grow. You say that you're adding ferts and doubt that what I say is true. You are missing my point. What I keep seeing in this forum is that growers use FFOF soil and add more fert to it, apparently thinking they have to. I'm trying to tell people that you don't necessarily have to. When growers use bottle feeding like water, feed, water, feed, or some such thing, they usually ruin the plants. So... to take out the nonsense guesswork what a grower can do is use plenty of FFOF soil as if they are using a supersoil recipe. You shouldn't have to add any fert to supersoil provided you use a large enough container as it's important to give enough ferts for the duration and give the roots plenty of space to grow. The same thing can be achieved with FFOF, but you have to use a large enough container. It appears that both are you aren't transplanting, but instead are depending on your freedom to add nutrients whenever you feel it's necessary. For most growers, this is a problem. For some reason, people feel the need to feed, water, feed, or something similar. At least canna is trying to "read the plants," letting the change of color to dictate the next bottle feeding. I would imagine that your feedings aren't very frequent. My point in advocating FFOF soil is to depend on the soil to feed, i.e., allow the plant to feed at a natural rate without forcing it to consume more than it should. It takes the guesswork out of growing. That's my point. If you do the feed, water, feed thing, you're going to kill your plants eventually.
Regarding your info re: "water, feed, water, feed, or some such thing, they usually ruin the plants" You are so right. I can't bring myself to do this but it's what growers say to do. I give my plants the same formula every day. Every morning I give them a drink of my premix water nutes and call it a day and they are doing just fine. I add molasses twice a month. I don't think I've ever given them just water. Imma start a thread about this. Thanks for that info!
 

Thelorax223

Member
Alright guys. So here is the skinny. I have given her no nutrients since the post. Only water ph to 6.8 With a little Cal mag in it. After A-day or 2 she absolutely blew up. I am seeing no new deficiencies on her. She is looking good but her sister might be over fed as well...20200916_023552.jpg20200916_023547.jpg20200916_023445.jpg
 
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