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NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Padawanbater2 said:


If you believe that, then you don't get to complain about taxes. There wasn't a surge of poor people stricken with poverty since the 1950s, rich people figured out a way to shift the amount of taxes they pay onto you. Yet you cling to an obsolete political philosophy demanding they pay even less.. Simply genius
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Padwan, work with me here.

Sky yet again claimed that fortune 500 companies pay no taxes. I disagreed with her.

In your post disagreeing with me you actually prove that I am right and corporations do pay taxes. By the way, they pay taxes with your money so asking taxes to be raised on them is like asking for taxes to be raised upon yourself.

I am not sure why you are going out of your way to be argumentative with me when we are in agreement that corporations do pay taxes.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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ttystikk said:
General Electric, one of the world's largest companies, regularly pays NO TAX after deductions and write offs.

Boeing went on a national treasure hunt to find the best package of tax writeoffs and kickbacks in the country for its new corporate headquarters some years ago. Tax inversions. The list is absolutely endless, a million ways to steal trillions from the people's right to tax corporations and use the money for the common good.

Perhaps you missed the recent headlines about Apple, where they're gaming the system on an international scale to the tune of BILLIONS?

You're defending the 'rights' of thieves to keep stealing from your very own pocket, moron.

Seriously, I'm beginning to believe @UncleBuck's assessment of your thinking skills.
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It is the government giving the corporations the tax breaks yet you consistently do not look at that 1/2 of the equation and see a problem with it, only the corporation side. Both sides are laughing at you BTW.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Fogdog said:
Its only just the beginning. We have the debt hangover from Bush era tax cuts to deal, shoot, we haven't even dealt with the Reagan tax cuts. Those fuckers intend for the next generation of worker bees and the one after that to pay for it.


Oh sure they do and the 1% that own most of the wealth in this country or around the world for that matter, also are paying plenty of taxes in the US. (snicker)

How about posting some real data to back up your story. Not a fucking video, just some hard data that can be examined and cross checked.
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I dont need to. Padwan accidentally backed up my story with facts when he thought he was disagreeing with me... Those charts showed corporations paying between 10 & 30 % of the taxes in America.
 
Padawanbater2

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NLXSK1 said:
they pay taxes with your money so asking taxes to be raised on them is like asking for taxes to be raised upon yourself.
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That's the beauty of competition, if producers raise prices too high, consumers won't buy their products. This incentivises low prices
NLXSK1 said:
I am not sure why you are going out of your way to be argumentative with me when we are in agreement that corporations do pay taxes.
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You're arguing corporations pay enough taxes, I'm arguing they don't, that's the disagreement

They paid 30% of burden in the 1950s and pay 11% now, where do you think that remaining 19% has to come from? It comes from the middle class since capital gains taxes are so criminally low. So when you get upset that people are on welfare or we have to pay for healthcare or social security, direct it at corporations because they're the ones that have made it that way.
 
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schuylaar

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Fogdog said:
Its only just the beginning. We have the debt hangover from Bush era tax cuts to deal, shoot, we haven't even dealt with the Reagan tax cuts. Those fuckers intend for the next generation of worker bees and the one after that to pay for it.


Oh sure they do and the 1% that own most of the wealth in this country or around the world for that matter, also are paying plenty of taxes in the US. (snicker)

How about posting some real data to back up your story. Not a fucking video, just some hard data that can be examined and cross checked.
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And of course, the negative ETR, doesn't include the estimated trillions in offshoring.

Wake up, Hillbillys.
 
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schuylaar

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Padawanbater2 said:
That's the beauty of competition, if producers raise prices too high, consumers won't buy their products. This incentivises low prices

You're arguing corporations pay enough taxes, I'm arguing they don't, that's the disagreement

They paid 30% of burden in the 1950s and pay 11% now, where do you think that remaining 19% has to come from? It comes from the middle class since capital gains taxes are so criminally low. So when you get upset that people are on welfare or we have to pay for healthcare or social security, direct it at corporations because they're the ones that have made it that way.
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Anyone take a look at inheritance tax rate lately and how to beat it? Yup, that's right, beat it..pay no taxes..the American way!

The 10.9 Million Dollar Tax Break:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleaebeling/2015/10/22/irs-announces-2016-estate-and-gift-tax-limits-the-10-9-million-tax-break/

How To Beat The 2016 Estate Tax:

http://www.fool.com/retirement/general/2016/01/12/use-the-2016-gift-tax-exclusion-to-beat-the-estate.aspx
 
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schuylaar

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NLXSK1 said:
It is the government giving the corporations the tax breaks yet you consistently do not look at that 1/2 of the equation and see a problem with it, only the corporation side. Both sides are laughing at you BTW.
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No, it's the lobbyist that gets those tax breaks by plying Washington with cash.
 
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schuylaar

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Padawanbater2 said:


rich people figured out a way to shift the amount of taxes they pay onto you. Yet you cling to an obsolete political philosophy demanding they pay even less.. Simply genius
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Every time THEY pay LESS you are EXPECTED to pay MORE. You just pay more divied up amongst the rest of America..may not seem like a lot but it does add up amirite, @NLXSK1?

The proposition value is 'white'..they leverage this and that's how they get you to buy in.

They make you believe your little ole S-Corp is a big ole publicly traded C-Corp and that you get treated the same with lower taxes and tax breaks.

Question: when was the last time you got lower taxes and tax breaks as a result of being a rehooligan..?
 
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Corso312

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NLXSK1 said:
I dont need to. Padwan accidentally backed up my story with facts when he thought he was disagreeing with me... Those charts showed corporations paying between 10 & 30 % of the taxes in America.
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10-30% on taxable income, they hide their dough overseas and in shell companies..the tax code is garbage.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Padawanbater2 said:
That's the beauty of competition, if producers raise prices too high, consumers won't buy their products. This incentivises low prices

You're arguing corporations pay enough taxes, I'm arguing they don't, that's the disagreement

They paid 30% of burden in the 1950s and pay 11% now, where do you think that remaining 19% has to come from? It comes from the middle class since capital gains taxes are so criminally low. So when you get upset that people are on welfare or we have to pay for healthcare or social security, direct it at corporations because they're the ones that have made it that way.
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I never said corporations paid enough in taxes. I put no say in it either way except to point out that it is you that pay for the taxes when you buy the product. Therefore, you are paying the taxes passed through the company by the government.

My point to Schuylarr is that corporations do pay taxes which she doesnt think is true.

And you verified my point by showing that corporations pay at least 10% of the total taxes in America.

You are just argumentative on inertia right now. You will never agree with me because you think I am the enemy.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Corso312 said:
10-30% on taxable income, they hide their dough overseas and in shell companies..the tax code is garbage.
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Schuylarr says that corporations pay NO taxes.

I point out that corporations do pay taxes.

Rather than agree with me, several posters have supported my position while disagreeing with me. Rather than try to correct Schylarr's misconception they want to pick peanuts out of shit and change the discussion from whether corporations pay taxes to whether they should pay more...

This place is insanity folks. Dont come here unless you want aggravation.
 
Corso312

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You are missing the point, if I make a billion and reinvest 850 million overseas..I'm paying taxes on 150 million...after all the tax breaks and horseshit write offs its miniscule to what should be paid...they don't pay their fair share.
 
Fogdog

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NLXSK1 said:
I never said corporations paid enough in taxes. I put no say in it either way except to point out that it is you that pay for the taxes when you buy the product. Therefore, you are paying the taxes passed through the company by the government.

My point to Schuylarr is that corporations do pay taxes which she doesnt think is true.

And you verified my point by showing that corporations pay at least 10% of the total taxes in America.

You are just argumentative on inertia right now. You will never agree with me because you think I am the enemy.
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Why not pay 30% like they did in the '50s? This idea that taxes crush corporations is made the lie by that simple fact. Companies did just fine back then.

In order to balance the budget, taxes will have to go up in places where the money is -- the top 10% of incomes and on corporations. As Corso points out, there are shenanigans that Corporations play to hide income in order to avoid taxes. A good first step is to close those loopholes.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Fogdog said:
Why not pay 30% like they did in the '50s? This idea that taxes crush corporations is made the lie by that simple fact. Companies did just fine back then.

In order to balance the budget, taxes will have to go up in places where the money is -- the top 10% of incomes and on corporations. As Corso points out, there are shenanigans that Corporations play to hide income in order to avoid taxes. A good first step is to close those loopholes.
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Do you remember the original point of my comment? 10% is not 0% whether you would like it to be 30% or not.

Also, corporations do not pay taxes, the government steals a cut of their growth off the top. Profit to a corporation is not the same thing as profit to an individual. But hey, lets not address those points either, lets just say how unfair 10% is and that everyone else should be paying more...


Complete insanity the fogdog way....
 
OddBall1st

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NLXSK1 said:
Do you remember the original point of my comment? 10% is not 0% whether you would like it to be 30% or not.

Also, corporations do not pay taxes, the government steals a cut of their growth off the top. Profit to a corporation is not the same thing as profit to an individual. But hey, lets not address those points either, lets just say how unfair 10% is and that everyone else should be paying more...


Complete insanity the fogdog way....
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He refuses to understand that not spending is the fastest way to catch up with your debt. It`s not what you save, but what you spend that increases debt.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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NLXSK1 said:
Do you remember the original point of my comment? 10% is not 0% whether you would like it to be 30% or not.

Also, corporations do not pay taxes, the government steals a cut of their growth off the top. Profit to a corporation is not the same thing as profit to an individual. But hey, lets not address those points either, lets just say how unfair 10% is and that everyone else should be paying more...


Complete insanity the fogdog way....
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I think your point was companies pay taxes. I agree. Unfunded tax cuts that balloon national debt need to be rolled back. That means taxes will go up. Companies did just fine when they paid 30% of the national spend. Thanks for pointing that out.
 
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