Whorled phyllotaxy: stash or trash?

Jd Short

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Yes whirled

Yes it is hybrid vigor j d great job not a mutation at all. Couldn't be from eliminating the male or doing any non natural thing. Great job
It would appear form reading your comments that you may have the definitions of whorled phyllotaxy and variegation confused.
 

Countrybuddin

Active Member
No im not talking about variegation. Im talking about this crap your speaking of where leaves come non uniform with no adherence to the golden ratio or fibonacci ratio and just grow like a mutant freak of some colchicine treated genetics.
 

Countrybuddin

Active Member
It would appear form reading your comments that you may have the definitions of whorled phyllotaxy and variegation confused.
goldensection-2017_08_09_02_42_29.png goldensection-2017_08_09_02_37_58.png 0808172248d.jpghere bro this is what good stable vigorous genetics look like. You know what this is ita a male selected for breeding you ever picked one. Thats stayed male?20170809_021735.jpg
 

cookie master

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Id say no, it may be a qudrifoliate? Whorled is a whole different thing. Whatever is going on with your plant is irrelevant because itll grow out of it and have normal alternating branches.
 

Rayjar

Member
I kinda figured it would grow out of it once mature, so I was probably gonna top to those 4 tips and see where it goes.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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i have an actual whirled phylo plant, but i've been lst'ing and pruning it heavily, not sure you can even tell now. the branches are not opposite each other in any way, i've pruned off all the ones that would be growing down, but if you look at the stubs, you can see they spiral up the stalkIMG_20180224_211814.jpg IMG_20180224_211844.jpg and this won't grow out of it, it's pretty mature, in a holding pattern waiting for a spot in the flower tent
 

cookie master

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whorled is different, the top stop growing and it stacks like 100 nodes per inch and flattens out the stem when whorled. It ends up the densest 2 inch long bud ever. but cant even finish because it chokes itself out
 

Rayjar

Member
whorled is different, the top stop growing and it stacks like 100 nodes per inch and flattens out the stem when whorled. It ends up the densest 2 inch long bud ever. but cant even finish because it chokes itself out
I think you're thinking of fasciation, Whorled phyllotaxy is the spiraling of the leaf formation so layers of leaves don't lay over each other
 

Rayjar

Member
Yeah I've seen that once before on a bagseed I had that developed like that on one top only but I'm not sure how or why. Very dense
 

oldfogey420

Active Member
Its a polyploid. Had a Nirvana Bubbleicious do that back in the day. One branch even grew the same shape as a celery stalk. Freaky stuff. The end product didn't have any of the smell or flavor of the other plants grown from the same seedstock. Was interesting to watch the "caterpillar" bud grow tho!
 

Sativied

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Its a polyploid.
Amazing how you can see an additional set of chromosomes in that picture... stop parroting that common misconception.

It is not a polyploid, still a diploid, but it’s “fasciated”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasciation

Best way to handle is to top it early on (too late now) once you noticed the flat stem. That mohawk bud at the top will be very leafy, like lettuce, and it won’t form a nice cola below it.
 

oldfogey420

Active Member
Amazing how you can see an additional set of chromosomes in that picture... stop parroting that common misconception.

It is not a polyploid, still a diploid, but it’s “fasciated”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasciation

Best way to handle is to top it early on (too late now) once you noticed the flat stem. That mohawk bud at the top will be very leafy, like lettuce, and it won’t form a nice cola below it.
Not parroting anything, but passing along information that I was given some 15 or so years ago when i first came across it. The source was someone that I trusted and assumed that information to be true. Sorry for the unintended misinformation. Next time take it down a notch, huh? No need to get angry..

The bud from plants like these was garbage in my experience. Flower never reaches total maturity and the flavor was unappealing at best. The main stem was also square, not flat.
This was my experience with it:
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I mostly agree....except the unaffected buds tasted fine. It was only the fasciated (thank you for the correcrion Sativied) bud that tasted bad.
 

Sativied

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Not parroting anything, but passing along information that I was given some 15 or so years ago when i first came across it. The source was someone that I trusted and assumed that information to be true. Sorry for the unintended misinformation. Next time take it down a notch, huh? No need to get angry..
What you describe IS parroting. :) No need to take such a valid, and now by you confirmed, qualification personally. The only reason there is always someone who comes along claiming it’s a polyploid is parroting. If you would know what a polyploid is, you’d know your claim is unsubstantiated. Instead, you merely repeat a label you heard from someone, aka parroting. Stop doing that, pretty please.
 
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