Why 2 parties?

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fdd2blk

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once again, stoned during civics class. i know there are numerous parties but why 2 major ones? doesn't this automatically split "One Nation" into 2? this seems counter-productive. it seems congress spends more time fighting penis envy battles then they do actually fixing things. :confused:
 
7xstall

7xstall

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one party thinks like this:

1. because the government is made up of superior people who know more than everyone else the government must manage as many profitable aspects (health, employment, environment, etc) of the peoples' lives as they will surrender to government control without a lot of violence and back talk. government must acquire and exploit any liberty that is not appreciated by the barbaric citizens. all acquired liberty should be sold back to the citizens and once government has become a total monopoly the elite can do what they please...

the other party thought like this:

2. the role of federal government is to make sure that the basic, God given (call it innate if you're insecure about God) human rights of every citizen are not violated by the state government or hostile enemies.

as long as there is one party so determined to snatch up the liberty of the citizens there needs to be another party to give hope for a better tomorrow.




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closet.cult

closet.cult

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7xstall said:
one party thinks like this:

1. because the government is made up of superior people who know more than everyone else the government must manage as many profitable aspects (health, employment, environment, etc) of the peoples' lives as they will surrender to government control without a lot of violence and back talk. government must acquire and exploit any liberty that is not appreciated by the barbaric citizens. all acquired liberty should be sold back to the citizens and once government has become a total monopoly the elite can do what they please...

the other party thought like this:

2. the role of federal government is to make sure that the basic, God given (call it innate if you're insecure about God) human rights of every citizen are not violated by the state government or hostile enemies.

as long as there is one party so determined to snatch up the liberty of the citizens there needs to be another party to give hope for a better tomorrow.
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i respectfully disagree. it may, at one time, have started that way. today, the two parties are a just different enough to split the general population in two.

it's a good show for 'we the people'. but if you notice, the two parties work together quite well to crowd out smaller parties who are unaffiliated.

the rulers of this government have these two parties to keep us occupied. a candidate from either party will do nothing that they have not been instructed to do.

7xstall said:
there needs to be another party to give hope for a better tomorrow.
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perhaps, but i wouldn't focus too much on the party...American’s need to keep there eyes open for the right MAN. a fighter, a truth speaker, a libertarian (in the real sense of the word, not just the political.)
 
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krime13

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I desagree, I belive both partyes are after your rights, while democrats want to take away your guns the republicans are after your right to have an abortion, after your freedom of relligion in school...And they are all on the payroll of special interest groups...
 
7xstall

7xstall

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you must not have noticed that i used the past tense; one party thought like this....

i agree though, the parties are just barely different enough to keep the people asleep.



closet.cult said:
i respectfully disagree. it may, at one time, have started that way. today, the two parties are a just different enough to split the general population in two.

it's a good show for 'we the people'. but if you notice, the two parties work together quite well to crowd out smaller parties who are unaffiliated.

the rulers of this government have these two parties to keep us occupied. a candidate from either party will do nothing that they have not been instructed to do.



perhaps, but i wouldn't focus too much on the party...American’s need to keep there eyes open for the right MAN. a fighter, a truth speaker, a libertarian (in the real sense of the word, not just the political.)
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fdd2blk

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do you become one or the other because that is the party you chose?

or did you choose that party because that is who you are?

once you chose a party do you change your ways or at least lean in the favor of your party simply because you belong to that party?

does your government control you?
 
7xstall

7xstall

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krime13 said:
I desagree, I belive both partyes are after your rights, while democrats want to take away your guns the republicans are after your right to have an abortion, after your freedom of relligion in school...And they are all on the payroll of special interest groups...
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while i hope the idea of killing people on a whim is never widely accepted as a "right" i have to agree that both parties have become parasitic - but only as much as their constituents will allow.

the republicans do have a quite diverse (no pun intended. - actually, yeah, that's funny!) makeup that supports great candidates like Ron Paul. the top dems demand such a lockstep uniformity that it's impossible for them to produce anything but more of the same at this point. they will just go more extreme left if anything.






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7xstall

7xstall

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fdd2blk said:
do you become one or the other because that is the party you chose?

or did you choose that party because that is who you are?

once you chose a party do you change your ways or at least lean in the favor of your party simply because you belong to that party?

does your government control you?
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lol

i have yet to meet a dem who isn't lockstep with their party leaders! i call them the borg because they have such fanatical followers. :)




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medicineman

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7X, for all your smoke blowing, I'm still an independent and will vote for what I consider to be the candidate that will do the most for the people, including me.
 
7xstall

7xstall

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medicineman said:
7X, for all your smoke blowing, I'm still an independent and will vote for what I consider to be the candidate that will do the most for the people, including me.
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call yourself whatever you want, doesn't matter. you can say you're in the sand party for all i care...

the truth is you want the government to take ownership of our lives.

you can't bring yourself to find anything positive about anything that's not leftist or socialist.

you somehow make yourself believe that government employees care about your wellbeing more than people who work for a living.

you're a socialist so it doesn't matter what party name you hide under.




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closet.cult

closet.cult

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7xstall said:
the republicans do have a quite diverse (no pun intended. - actually, yeah, that's funny!) makeup that supports great candidates like Ron Paul. the top dems demand such a lockstep uniformity that it's impossible for them to produce anything but more of the same at this point. they will just go more extreme left if anything.
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i don't think either of the parties are more diverse then the other. politicians choose a party that will enable them to advance. in order to advance, they must be (or appear to be) in step with the ideals of that party in order to achieve the nomination of that party as a candidate for higher office.


so, people like Ron Paul, a good man by all appearances, must choose to run as a republican in order to even have a chance of being on the ballots. just imagine his odds of winning if he was running as a libertarian again.

so i'm sure there are republican-like democrats, as well as democrat-like republicans, in both their ranks. (not to mention those who are put into power to accomplish goals of ever-increasing governmental control, regardless of party.) the big time players have their bets covered.
 
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7xstall

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i do agree, they must go with the party that most lines up with their principals, if they have principals.

the dems are different though. they will attack and expel anyone who is not cheering for their leaders, this started in the 90's and has become more and more acceptable to them.

the republicans have gone the other way; you are far more likely to find a diverse set of opinions, from enthusiastic dissent to quiet agreement with party leaders, within the republican party than within the democrat party.

this chaos of the republican party is what will allow it to regroup and come back stronger than ever, with a more solid foundation based on true American values. the current shake up is not just an anomaly. the fact that Dr. Paul Broun (in my state - a friend of Dr. Ron Paul!!) beat a well-funded republican establishment insider indicates that the traditional republican base is not going to accept the status quo any longer. we're not going with the lies and retail politics anymore.

conversely, the dems are betting on Euro trends and finger in the wind tactics more than ever - this will ultimately destroy them thoroughly because they have abandoned true, American democratic principals for a socialist platform.




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krime13

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7xstall said:
i do agree, they must go with the party that most lines up with their principals, if they have principals.

the dems are different though. they will attack and expel anyone who is not cheering for their leaders, this started in the 90's and has become more and more acceptable to them.

the republicans have gone the other way; you are far more likely to find a diverse set of opinions, from enthusiastic dissent to quiet agreement with party leaders, within the republican party than within the democrat party.

this chaos of the republican party is what will allow it to regroup and come back stronger than ever, with a more solid foundation based on true American values. the current shake up is not just an anomaly. the fact that Dr. Paul Broun (in my state - a friend of Dr. Ron Paul!!) beat a well-funded republican establishment insider indicates that the traditional republican base is not going to accept the status quo any longer. we're not going with the lies and retail politics anymore.

conversely, the dems are betting on Euro trends and finger in the wind tactics more than ever - this will ultimately destroy them thoroughly because they have abandoned true, American democratic principals for a socialist platform.




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I belive the post in this forum about Med that you posted earlier applies to you too, just replace Med with 7x and dems by republicans.The fact is, republicans care bout american people just as democrats which is not at all, just look at the past 8 years...
 
7xstall

7xstall

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what applies to me too?

you're saying that republicans do not have a wider variety of opinions? you're saying that dems do not expel people who rock the boat from their party?

i don't understand your post.






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krime13

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I dont have all the facts right now but I do belive republicans also expell people from their party, as far as wider variety of opinions, well that is subjective, it is ignorant to say that all of the republicans are more openminded than all the democrats or any other group of reople for that matter...
 
medicineman

medicineman

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7xstall said:
call yourself whatever you want, doesn't matter. you can say you're in the sand party for all i care...

the truth is you want the government to take ownership of our lives.you can't bring yourself to find anything positive about anything that's not leftist or socialist.
Not true, I want less government in my personal life, and I dont have a problem with conscientious capitalism.
you somehow make yourself believe that government employees care about your wellbeing more than people who work for a living.
Again, not true, in fact most government employees (except politicians) work for a living. I just want to take the profit out of the medical field so everyone can have medical coverage.
you're a socialist so it doesn't matter what party name you hide under.
Again not true, just your warped perception. I do believe that government is necessesary and should work for the people. I don't believe in things like a chip implant and other Orwellian precepts



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Come on 7X, you know I'm not a "Socialist". I just believe that we need government to keep a lid on the runaway greed of the capitalists, and provide necessesary services to the citizens. After all why did we elect them, to work for us not against us. We dont need 550+ assholes making new laws to suppress us even more than we are with a white house that is trying to take the last remnants of our rights away. Make the assholes work for us. We also don't need to be creating megawealth for the few while cutting the middle class down to the bone. If it takes Government taxes to control this, then so be it. Like the guy that posted that his boss treated his employees well with bonuses and profit sharing because he'd rather give it to his employees that made him what he is, than the feds. If there were more bosses like that, then Capitalism would be a wonderful concept. unfortunately, that is a rare occurence. Most business owners are greedy pricks. Thats from my and all of my friends experiences over a 40 year span. It is worse now than at any time before in that time span.
 
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fdd2blk

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how can we solve anything as a country when we feel the need to side-up amongst ourselves? so counter-productive.
 
7xstall

7xstall

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krime13 said:
I dont have all the facts right now but I do belive republicans also expell people from their party, as far as wider variety of opinions, well that is subjective, it is ignorant to say that all of the republicans are more openminded than all the democrats or any other group of reople for that matter...
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i'm not saying that republicans are perfect, i think the party is in total disarray. just watch the dems, they're ruthless. if someone doesn't agree with their leadership they better keep quiet about it! the flip side is that the louder someone supports the dem leaders the more pork goes to their state.




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