Why ACT is mainly used only in the Cannabis world?

Sincerely420

Sincerely420

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NickNasty said:
If my soil is already full of plant ready nutes why do I need to add more? More is NOT always better. I have done ACT's Every watering for months before and no noticeable difference then now when I use maybe once every 4-6 weeks. If you are adding stuff to a plant that it doesn't need or use how is it helping the plant? I believed the same thing as you a year ago but the more my soil gets dialed in the less I find I need to use it.
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More is better bro sorry.....Your soil fluctuates daily as to what nutes are available and what nutes are.
I'm doing AACTs with a VERY noticeable difference, so maybe you just need to get your AACT recipe right bro...
Every brew has the potential to be hit or miss...Maybe you keep missiing...
I'm looking at TREMENDOUS bud size right now, on VERY small plants....
And It's all AACT work..

And If I'm adding studd that the plant doesn't use it doesn't no harm like it does nothing for the plant...
I got microbes in BILLIONS to hand all the "small ish"..

I believe what you thought for a few weeks maybe a couple months back, then I just kept reading and searching for answers till I found them...
Then I went back to that AACT thread with them
 
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Cann said:
Thinking about it from the microbes perspective, ACT is kinda like dumping a schoolbus full of rowdy children into a class that is already in session, with every seat in class taken. everyone is in their place already, things are moving along perfectly, and now all of a sudden they have to accomodate all these extra bodies....what ensues is chaos, lots of death (which releases some nutrients) and overall lack of harmony.
This is a LIE bro...Where are the rowdy children here? And how do you know every seat is taken and that everyone is in there place?
The microbes in the soil don't work together bro....Fungi stands form yeah, but bacteria stand alone.
The microbes work individually and if they're are BILLIONS in the soil, that fluctuate in numbers from time to time, it makes no sense to say that pouring an AACT on soil hurt is....Or might right things up. They act independently and they immobilize the nutrients that you add to the soil, holding them until the roots ask.....If the soil was already "too full" of life, the CEC would be none and everything would just pass on thru and runofff...

Look around RIU at ALL the other ppl doing their THING that use AACTs regularly.
And seems kinda "strange" to say the least that someone would see you brewing an AACT and ask if you grow pot...
I know I NEVER would even think to ask that question if I saw someone brewing an AACT......

if things are dialed in, why mess with it. seems more stressful than beneficial....if you need the nutrients so bad, just apply a topdress and be patient...
that being said, I am going to apply an ACT to the community p-patch I just acquired...the soil definitely needs some help. indoors, things are dialed enough that I don't need to fuss with it.

very very few people outside the cannabis world use ACT. in fact, i am somewhat afraid to be seen applying the ACT at the community patch (it's at my school...) because it basically gives away the fact that I grow/have grown weed. last year I had a guy off craigslist come to my backyard to do some work on my friends van...he saw the compost tea brewing and said "oh, so you grow pot?" I pretended to act surprised...but the gig was up lol. my hydro store has a vortex brewer and all sorts of tea ingredients and premixed tea bags, but none of the local nurseries have a brewer or anything compost tea related. hmmmm....
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Sounds like a skecty post man....Someone calls you out on growing because you're brewing AACT, yet you're gonna take one out to your school?
And if you can't act like you don't know what the hell someone is talking about when they ask are you growing pot, you better give it up REAL fast!
And ain't no body buying nothing pre mixed from the hydro guy...No sir....

We're using the left over amendments that we have from mixing up a soil mix...NO EXTRA CASH SPENT.
And my local nursery carries vermicompost, forest compost, and organic amendments...all I need for my teas.

And you keep saying topdress and be patient bro, that's not the point. An AACT works fast that a topdressing.
Why top dress when you can use AACTs...

There are more ppl that just do regular indoor container gardening, then the no till method that a few of you guys work with.
I'm not saying anything bad about your methods bcuz i don't know enough about what you do...
But I DO know that AACTs work..

This weekend I'll be pulling 3 oz of a 12/12 from seed plant....And It's not as big as it is for no reason....

 
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Rrog said:
I've seen this as a common theme. A lot of Pharmers saw fantastic results from ACT, but then as time went on they found that regular amendments do the same thing.
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Not the same....AACTs made amendmens available to our plants OVER NIGHT rather than over a two week period.
That's the MAIN difference. The microbes in the AACT will have already had a chance in 18-24 hours, to do what would take a couple weeks with just the help of the microbes in the soil.
You also said compost in the AACT is the same as compost is the soil and I say true to that, but what happens to the compost in the AACT doesn't compare...The slight agitation from the oxygenation, along with carefully selected foods, is enough to make their population explode.

The don't reproduce NEARLY as effective in the soil alone, hence the logic behind the AACT
 
John Nie Canna Guy

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I love this no til vs. AACT war we have going on in the organic section.

Personally I like to brew AACT for fun. I use it to add stuff like aloe, coconut water, b-1...etc to the mix. I use a SIP system (noobwannab self watering smart pot thread over at GC) and I don't like to add anything besides R/O water with calmag to the perlite bed. I know I don't need to do it this way, just like I don't need to brew the teas. But I do because I want to. Just the same reason as the guys who don't brew teas all the time, because they don't want to deal with it. It is all in the artist's view.
 
headtreep

headtreep

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John Nie Canna Guy said:
I love this no til vs. AACT war we have going on in the organic section.

Personally I like to brew AACT for fun. I use it to add stuff like aloe, coconut water, b-1...etc to the mix. I use a SIP system (noobwannab self watering smart pot thread over at GC) and I don't like to add anything besides R/O water with calmag to the perlite bed. I know I don't need to do it this way, just like I don't need to brew the teas. But I do because I want to. Just the same reason as the guys who don't brew teas all the time, because they don't want to deal with it. It is all in the artist's view.
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So why waste your time?
 
st0wandgrow

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Good topic.

I think it makes sense to apply an ACT or two while your amended soil is "cooking". The more critters in the soil breaking down the organic inputs the better imo. I could even see the usefulness of applying an ACt during veg or early flower. But at some point (not sure when) I think it's wasted time/effort/amendments.
 
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st0wandgrow said:
Good topic.

I think it makes sense to apply an ACT or two while your amended soil is "cooking". The more critters in the soil breaking down the organic inputs the better imo. I could even see the usefulness of applying an ACt during veg or early flower. But at some point (not sure when) I think it's wasted time/effort/amendments.
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Why would you think it would be a wasted effort at some point?
I've learned that each and every time you use them(if brewed correctly), you should be drenching your rhizosphere with a does a plant ready food.
This food come by way of the byproduct of all the microbial action in the teas.

Think about guys that use bottled nutes.
They feed every so ofter and get good result with shit soil pretty much...

I can poke my head in my room and look at the difference that using AACTs have made in my 1st two sets of harvests.

I'm in not trying to push my way of thinking on you bro?! You or anyone else?!
Just trying to see what you all think in comparison.

I've read a lot and I continue to look for things all the time!
I'm pushing the limit of things with the soil biology in mind..
 
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John Nie Canna Guy said:
It takes me 5 minutes to get a tea brewing.

Edit: And I have never seen any harm done and I like to top water every now and then
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Same here and I'm sure it's the same for everybody out there that brews them bro!
I don't get why it's mentioned like it's hard work..I get if you wanna say its "extra" work tho! Given how I know some of you guys feel!

But its a matter of putting a few different things in some water and oxygenating it.
The gentle agitation of the bubble are what jar things free and get thing going.
The oxygen is what keeps thing aerobic(alive) and reproducing.

The food and oxygen and agitation fuels the reproducing, which results in a nutrient rich solution.
This nutrient rich solution is in plant form. So it's utilized the instant it hits the roots.
Some microbes will be transferred to the soil during the watering and find and place and do what they do...
Eat. Get eaten..die...go dormant..get used..

Every tea is a different tea.
I experiment a lot with them and watch things closely...
The plants respond instantly to teas...

If your plants don't, you're tea didn't work.
Go back to the drawing boards with your ingredients!

At least you have a micro herd to regulate things.
Unlike ppl using bottled nutes..

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headtreep

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I have an ACT bubbling for some transplants. I forget that I like to use ACT for that too. Seedlings, Transplants, IPM, and developing new soil. ACT is always a good tool to correct any problems too.

These are just from my experiences.
 
st0wandgrow

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BeaverHuntr said:
I brew my ACT in my garage.. Is it safe to brew a ACT tea in 100 degree temps???
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This is from another site authored by someone far smarter than me....

"There are a couple of schools of thought regarding brewing temperatures. One is that since the microbes in the tea will grow and reproduce most efficiently at 68-70˚F., this is the temperature at which you should brew your tea, regardless of the current soil or air temperature where you’ll be applying the tea. The theory is that since you are using the shotgun approach to growing microbes, whatever microbes are unable to adapt to the conditions will either die or go dormant, becoming food resources for the other microbes in the soil. Since soil and air temperatures will change throughout the seasons and even from day to night, these organisms are highly adaptable and you will get your best results with this approach.

Another theory, and one that Dr. Ingham subscribes to, is that you want to brew at the ambient temperature you will be applying the tea. Therefore, if you are applying your tea as a soil drench on 60 degree soil, you’ll want to brew at 60 degrees. You may need to extend your brewing cycle a bit for the colder temperatures, but this method will select for the organisms that will be most successful at the current temperatures in your soil and you won’t suffer as much organism loss.

I believe we need much more research to determine the most effective brewing temperatures for AACT. However, since I haven’t seen conclusive data either way, I tend to lean towards brewing at ambient temperatures, though this requires a bit more knowledge about your brewer and brewing cycle, as you will need to adjust your brewing time based on the temperature.
 
st0wandgrow

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Sincerely420 said:
Why would you think it would be a wasted effort at some point?
I've learned that each and every time you use them(if brewed correctly), you should be drenching your rhizosphere with a does a plant ready food.
This food come by way of the byproduct of all the microbial action in the teas.

Think about guys that use bottled nutes.
They feed every so ofter and get good result with shit soil pretty much...

I can poke my head in my room and look at the difference that using AACTs have made in my 1st two sets of harvests.

I'm in not trying to push my way of thinking on you bro?! You or anyone else?!
Just trying to see what you all think in comparison.

I've read a lot and I continue to look for things all the time!
I'm pushing the limit of things with the soil biology in mind..
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If you've amended your soil properly from the outset, the plant will have everything it needs absent of ACT's later in flower. I don't think that applying an ACT at say week 7 of flower will hurt anything, I just don't feel that it's necessary. But hey, if it works for you then I'd keep on doing your thing.
 
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Cann said:
Yo Sincerely, what happened to this?
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Bro commented after one of my post and said to post here...
You mean to tell me you weren't spectating then, waiting for Rrog to say something for you to side with?
Furthermore, do you see the title of this thread?
C'mon guy.....
 
Rrog

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Ok, Ok- we're all on the same team here. We're all looking to grow very natural dank bud. We're way past even legal "organic" standards now. We've shown we can play nice. It's more fun and less stress.
 
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st0wandgrow said:
If you've amended your soil properly from the outset, the plant will have everything it needs absent of ACT's later in flower. I don't think that applying an ACT at say week 7 of flower will hurt anything, I just don't feel that it's necessary. But hey, if it works for you then I'd keep on doing your thing.
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Well said st0w!

And yeah the plants have EVERYTHING they need in the soil already! I just give em MORE because I can!!
 
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