Will You Take The Vaccine?

Are you going to take the corona virus vaccine?

  • No.

  • Yes.


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Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Yes, but in that scenario the number of virions in the infected person will be far less, as anti-bodies are already present to kill them and prevent replicating/copying and surviving in the host. Still possible to mutate in an infected yet vaccinated person sure, just billions of times bigger chance that happens in someone who’s not vaccinated. In the extreme rare scenario it would, that vaccinated person would be far less likely to spread it.
What it's like to get an antivaxxer to an immunization clinic:

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Doug Dawson

Well-Known Member
But isn't the theory with the current vaccine that one can still get infected, but not develop symptoms? In this scenario, the virus may still mutate even in unvaccinated individuals. That's what I've heard according to some experts in the vaccine field anyway.
Well I suppose the only answer to that is nothing is perfect. I deal with a ton of information about this since I work in a hospital so get daily updates and weekly town hall meetings about it. Moderna is supposed to be 94.1% effective, Pfizer is supposed to be 95%. So technically yes there is still a chance to get the virus if you are vaccinated and it could mutate. I would take a 5% chance over a 100% chance and did. I get people's concerns though, hell I did not want this vaccine. I don't want any vaccine or pharmaceutical being put into my body. I took it because I did the math, decided it's not just about me and it seemed like the logical choice given the alternative. Not everyone will come to that conclusion and everyone is entitled to their opinion. While I don't agree with those who won't take the vaccine I still respect their concerns and rights to choose. The issue becomes when those who choose not to, being the minority, start to endanger the rest. That's when things get tricky. Sadly I have no good solution to this issue.
 

LowriderJones

New Member
Complicated question maybe but let's not make it too difficult.

Assume that you trust the science and clinical trials.

The Corona Virus vaccine is here - are you taking it?
Hell no. Not a chance. I believe everyone is entitled to make their own decision on this one and that's mine. I don't try to talk family out of it, or claim to have any proof it could be harmful. I simply don't inject things into myself for any reason. I've never gotten flu shots and I get the flu WAY less frequently than all the people around me who do get shots. I believe we (collectively) today place too much hope and trust in pharmaceutical companies, across the board. I don't trust them at all personally. I think that humanity has been deliberately steered away from very effective, natural remedies for countless ailments in favor of a quick fix, take a pill and forget about it mindset. I think attention needs to be shifted to the fact that these pharmaceutical companies are not in the game for our well being, but instead they're in it for money, and prolonging illness. Just look at how long marijuana has been kept "illegal", and think about how many different ailments medical patients claim it helps them with. Big pharma has absolutely played a part in keeping that very effective natural remedy out of our hands in favor of their pills for everything you can think of. Now, am I going to inject something these same companies rushed thru production and trials into my veins? Hell no. Politics and all that crap aside. That's how I feel about it.
 

Doug Dawson

Well-Known Member
Hell no. Not a chance. I believe everyone is entitled to make their own decision on this one and that's mine. I don't try to talk family out of it, or claim to have any proof it could be harmful. I simply don't inject things into myself for any reason. I've never gotten flu shots and I get the flu WAY less frequently than all the people around me who do get shots. I believe we (collectively) today place too much hope and trust in pharmaceutical companies, across the board. I don't trust them at all personally. I think that humanity has been deliberately steered away from very effective, natural remedies for countless ailments in favor of a quick fix, take a pill and forget about it mindset. I think attention needs to be shifted to the fact that these pharmaceutical companies are not in the game for our well being, but instead they're in it for money, and prolonging illness. Just look at how long marijuana has been kept "illegal", and think about how many different ailments medical patients claim it helps them with. Big pharma has absolutely played a part in keeping that very effective natural remedy out of our hands in favor of their pills for everything you can think of. Now, am I going to inject something these same companies rushed thru production and trials into my veins? Hell no. Politics and all that crap aside. That's how I feel about it.
Just a side note, this particular vaccine has been in the works for over 2 decades and it not specific to Covid-19. It is not he same as any other vaccine that has been created. So saying it was rushed through production is not really factual.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Hell no. Not a chance. I believe everyone is entitled to make their own decision on this one and that's mine. I don't try to talk family out of it, or claim to have any proof it could be harmful. I simply don't inject things into myself for any reason. I've never gotten flu shots and I get the flu WAY less frequently than all the people around me who do get shots. I believe we (collectively) today place too much hope and trust in pharmaceutical companies, across the board. I don't trust them at all personally. I think that humanity has been deliberately steered away from very effective, natural remedies for countless ailments in favor of a quick fix, take a pill and forget about it mindset. I think attention needs to be shifted to the fact that these pharmaceutical companies are not in the game for our well being, but instead they're in it for money, and prolonging illness. Just look at how long marijuana has been kept "illegal", and think about how many different ailments medical patients claim it helps them with. Big pharma has absolutely played a part in keeping that very effective natural remedy out of our hands in favor of their pills for everything you can think of. Now, am I going to inject something these same companies rushed thru production and trials into my veins? Hell no. Politics and all that crap aside. That's how I feel about it.
You have no immunity to coronavirus.
 

PJ Diaz

Well-Known Member
True. The vaccines are not 100% effective at preventing infection. They are somewhere around 90% effective. It's not a theory, it's a fact. They are good enough that if we can get somewhere between 75% and 85% of the population vaccinated, it will end the current epidemic. The longer we take to achieve those rates, the greater chance that a new and much worse variant will restart the whole cycle that we've just gone through.

200,000 people died in the US in just the last three months. I'd like to see that number for the last three months go to zero or nearly so. Don't you?
Sure. The good news is that covid has been on a stead decline since mid-January, even before vaccines began to roll out. Not too dissimilar to what happened with Polio many years ago.
 

PJ Diaz

Well-Known Member
Yes, but in that scenario the number of virions in the infected person will be far less, as anti-bodies are already present to kill them and prevent replicating/copying and surviving in the host. Still possible to mutate in an infected yet vaccinated person sure, just billions of times bigger chance that happens in someone who’s not vaccinated. In the extreme rare scenario it would, that vaccinated person would be far less likely to spread it.
Actually the antibodies which are present from the vaccination are specific to a certain strain, which means that when a new strain comes in, they may not be protective against the new strain. This is according to vaccine experts.
 

Doug Dawson

Well-Known Member
Actually the antibodies which are present from the vaccination are specific to a certain strain, which means that when a new strain comes in, they may not be protective against the new strain. This is according to vaccine experts.
But the new vaccine is not the same. It is designed to trigger your body to produce a protein cap in order to build an immunity to it, not the actual virus. Because of this it should be effective for all covid stains as they all share that protien cap so if your body kills it than covid should be toothless. It is unlike any vaccine ever made. Now that also makes it scarier but still, not the same. Or at least that's what the medical team said at the town hall meeting.
 

Sativied

Well-Known Member
Actually the antibodies which are present from the vaccination are specific to a certain strain, which means that when a new strain comes in, they may not be protective against the new strain. This is according to vaccine experts.
It takes effort to miss the point by that much. They may not, so far they have, and they’ll likely will, and that’s just part of the result of vaccination (training your immune system to create anti-bodies faster another). Your suggestion was the virus may still mutate in someone who’s vaccinated and shows no symptoms. That indicates that person was successfully vaccinated and has a working immune system. Which in turns means that person will not produce the same large amount of virus particles as someone who is not vaccinated and has symptoms, and for a far shorter period. It’s not complicated, chances the virus mutates in an unvaccinated sick person is much larger than in a vaccinated infected person without symptoms. In addition to the vaccinated infected person without symptoms having a far lower chance of spreading the virus than an unvaccinated infected person.

Long story short, the more people who get vaccinated, the less mutations and variants.
 

PJ Diaz

Well-Known Member
It takes effort to miss the point by that much. They may not, so far they have, and they’ll likely will, and that’s just part of the result of vaccination (training your immune system to create anti-bodies faster another). Your suggestion was the virus may still mutate in someone who’s vaccinated and shows no symptoms. That indicates that person was successfully vaccinated and has a working immune system. Which in turns means that person will not produce the same large amount of virus particles as someone who is not vaccinated and has symptoms, and for a far shorter period. It’s not complicated, chances the virus mutates in an unvaccinated sick person is much larger than in a vaccinated infected person without symptoms. In addition to the vaccinated infected person without symptoms having a far lower chance of spreading the virus than an unvaccinated infected person.

Long story short, the more people who get vaccinated, the less mutations and variants.
Thank you for your speculation, even if it's incorrect.
 

farmingfisherman

Well-Known Member
Sorry if this question has been asked and answered already but I got to ask this. The wife and I are scheduled to get our first round of the covid vaccine this weekend, not sure which one yet. My questions is what happens if you already have covid and then get the vaccine? I've been told that you don't get tested for covid before getting the shot and I'm worried that if you have it something bad might occur. Thank you for any information anyone can give.
 

PJ Diaz

Well-Known Member
Stick to pushing speakers around the hall then.


:mrgreen:
I'm the guy who tells the dept heads who's in their departments. I let the audio dept head tell their audio hands when to push the speakers. No need for me to micromanage them. I only need to step in where there are issues.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
For those afraid of the vaccine, here's something real to be afraid of, new variants are taking down younger people now with severe illness. Don't be a fucking idiot, get vaccinated, "I'll hold off until I see others take it for awhile" is an immoral argument and this point, the risks of vaccination are minimal, the risks of covid are several orders of magnitude worse than any risk from vaccination and include killing other people and burdening the healthcare system. Personal responsibility sometimes entails personal risk, but in this case the risk of vaccination is almost non existent, read this article, death or recovery is not the only outcome. This article also illustrates how fucking stupid anti maskers are and anti vaccers have now reached the same level of stupid. I've had quite enough of amateur epidemiologists with either no, or superficial knowledge, arrogating their "beliefs" about covid, masks and vaccinations, listen to the experts and follow their advice, they have the PhDs and experience, not you and certainly not the asshole on hate radio, or Newsmax. BTW This 1 in 3 does not include those with physical issues associated with covid survival and there are just as many, or more than those with mental issues.
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1 in 3 Covid survivors suffers neurological or mental disorders: Study (cnbc.com)

1 in 3 Covid survivors suffers neurological or mental disorders, study finds
  • One in 3 Covid-19 survivors has suffered a neurological or psychiatric disorder within six months of infection with the virus, a study has found.
  • The results were based on an observational study of more than 230,000 patient health records.
  • The study was published in The Lancet Psychiatry journal.
One in 3 Covid survivors has suffered a neurological or psychiatric disorder within six months of infection with the virus, an observational study of more than 230,000 patient health records has estimated.

The study, published Tuesday in The Lancet Psychiatry journal, analyzed data from the electronic health records of 236,379 Covid patients from the U.S.-based TriNetX network, which includes more than 81 million people.

This group was compared with 105,579 patients diagnosed with influenza and 236,038 patients diagnosed with any respiratory tract infection, including influenza.

Overall, the estimated incidence of being diagnosed with a neurological or mental health disorder following a Covid infection was 34%, the study led by researchers at the University of Oxford found when looking at 14 neurological and mental health disorders.

For 13% of these people, it was their first recorded neurological or psychiatric diagnosis.

The most common diagnoses after having the coronavirus were anxiety disorders (occurring in 17% of patients), mood disorders (14%), substance misuse disorders (7%), and insomnia (5%). The incidence of neurological outcomes was lower, including 0.6% for brain hemorrhage, 2.1% for ischemic stroke, and 0.7% for dementia.

After taking into account underlying health characteristics, such as age, sex, ethnicity and existing health conditions, there was overall a 44% greater risk of neurological and mental health diagnoses after Covid than after flu, and a 16% greater risk after Covid than with respiratory tract infections.

Since the coronavirus emerged in China in late 2019, over 132 million infections have been reported, including more than 2.8 million deaths, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

Professor Paul Harrison, lead author of the study from the department of psychiatry at Oxford, said the study highlights the need for health systems to be equipped to deal with potentially higher numbers of neurological disorders in survivors of the virus.

“These are real-world data from a large number of patients. They confirm the high rates of psychiatric diagnoses after Covid-19, and show that serious disorders affecting the nervous system (such as stroke and dementia) occur too. While the latter are much rarer, they are significant, especially in those who had severe Covid-19,” he said.

“Although the individual risks for most disorders are small, the effect across the whole population may be substantial for health and social care systems due to the scale of the pandemic and that many of these conditions are chronic. As a result, health care systems need to be resourced to deal with the anticipated need, both within primary and secondary care services.”

Dr. Max Taquet, a co-author of the study, said further research needs to be done to see “what happens beyond six months.”

“The study cannot reveal the mechanisms involved, but does point to the need for urgent research to identify these, with a view to preventing or treating them.”

Since the pandemic emerged and spread throughout the world in spring 2020, there have been a number of investigations into the short and long-term effects of the virus. The University of Oxford’s psychiatry department noted that there has been growing concern that survivors might be at increased risk of neurological disorders.

“A previous observational study by the same research group reported that Covid-19 survivors are at increased risk of mood and anxiety disorders in the first three months after infection. However, until now, there have been no large-scale data examining the risks of neurological as well as psychiatric diagnoses in the six months after Covid-19 infection,” the department said.
 
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doublejj

Well-Known Member
Just as a FYI for those of you who think the current vaccines should be mandatory, that's not legally possible as the vax is currently under Emergency Use Authorization, and anything approved by the FDA under that category may not be mandated.


soon you won't be able to get into a public venue or airplane without a covid vaccine
 
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