Yesterday's Mass Shooting.

BudmanTX said:

who's this freaken nut bag?

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Will be gone in short order like the rest of them.

printer said:

Will be gone in short order like the rest of them.

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gotcha.....

Cancel Fucking Culture…….DIXIE CHICKS.

printer said:

Senators announce bipartisan agreement on gun proposals
A bipartisan group of 20 senators led by Sens. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) and John Cornyn (R-Texas) on Sunday announced they have agreed to a “a commonsense proposal” to curb gun violence in response to the mass shooting in Ulvade, Texas, that left 21 people dead at Robb Elementary School.

In a major development, 10 Republicans signed onto the bipartisan framework, which means any legislation based on its principles has a good chance of mustering 60 votes and overcoming a filibuster on the Senate floor.

Senators announce bipartisan agreement on gun proposals

A bipartisan group of 20 senators led by Sens. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) and John Cornyn (R-Texas) on Sunday announced they have agreed to “a commonsense proposal” to curb gun violence in response to …

thehill.com

A longer article.

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that is good news, but i didn't see one word about banning any kind of weapons...that's the real solution, and no amount of negotiations is going to change that

Roger A. Shrubber said:

that is good news, but i didn't see one word about banning any kind of weapons...that's the real solution, and no amount of negotiations is going to change that

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according to what i've read they're isn't......and no ban on bump stocks and no age limit lifts too especially on AR an AS style weapons

DIY-HP-LED said:

Of course the flaw in Bill's argument is we have those movies everywhere else and only a tiny fraction of the gun deaths and that fraction is larger with the more guns in a country. Canada has the same, video games, TV and movies as America and a fraction of the gun violence, or per capita gun death rate. Same with the UK and other countries with similar traditions and legal systems that America uses. It's the number of guns and lack of regulation and nothing else that is America's problem with gun violence, it's not movies, school doors, or lack of transparent backpacks used by students.

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It’s interesting that Trudeau recently announced bringing forward legislation banning hand guns and no one here seems to care.

CunningCanuk said:

It’s interesting that Trudeau recently announced bringing forward legislation banning hand guns and no one here seems to care.

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Now for some serious consequences for those smuggling them in and those caught on the street with one. Smuggled pistols from America are our biggest problem in this area. When America gets gun control, we will get less guns and gun murders.

The Americans appear to be finally taking baby steps, but they have to crawl before they can walk. Like so much else, everything depends on the outcome of the election, every election is life or death there now. Ontario elected DoFo FFS, so we shouldn't be too critical of Americans for electing idiots.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

thats not going to work, what works is restricting access to guns and ammunition. no real reason to debate it...look at pretty much every developed country in the world, the ones with strict gun control laws don't have this horseshit happening, the laxer those laws get, the closer you get to America...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/search/research-news/5504/
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/20/us/everytown-weak-gun-laws-high-gun-deaths-study/index.html
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/us-gun-policy-global-comparisons

that is what it comes down to, that is what works...locking school doors and arming teachers doesn't work. doing nothing doesn't work. denying that there is a problem doesn't work. providing better health care will almost certainly have eventual impact, but it's not going to do much in the immediate future. better background checks would help, but again, that will take time. banning person to person sales nation wide would help a lot, but again, would do nothing to reduce the current amount of weapons out there.
what works almost immediately is banning some weapons. i personally would go with no handguns at all, and shotguns and rifles are all single shot...and large enough to be impossible to conceal.
it's that, or more school kids die, more people just buying groceries or having a picnic die....

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i understand your point and where you’re coming from has good intentions. It’s just not going to happen, and illegal firearms along with criminals intent on harming/stealing/causing devastation, are not going anywhere. It’s a necessary evil at this point in time due to the sheer number of firearms combined with the existing rights in the US

I am very supportive of more strenuous training/testing/licensing before gun ownership. But that cost shouldn’t limit Mike or Mary who everyone is concerned about not being able to afford an ID or a ride to the voting booth, from owning firearms if they feel the need to defend themselves in their part of town.

nuskool89 said:

i understand your point and where you’re coming from has good intentions. It’s just not going to happen, and illegal firearms along with criminals intent on harming/stealing/causing devastation, are not going anywhere. It’s a necessary evil at this point in time due to the sheer number of firearms combined with the existing rights in the US

I am very supportive of more strenuous training/testing/licensing before gun ownership. But that cost shouldn’t limit Mike or Mary who everyone is concerned about not being able to afford an ID or a ride to the voting booth, from owning firearms if they feel the need to defend themselves in their part of town.

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Not a nessisary evil. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.

bam0813 said:

The real agenda is revealed

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Why can't I bring an assault weapon and body armor into a Ted Nugent concert?

printer said:

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You need to take your own advice.

every time there is a small step forward, more of the mountain you have to climb is revealed to you...and it is a Mons Olympus indeed.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/black-people-are-looking-safety-gun-ownership-rcna32150

It was his rat to go around armed, it's just the price ya pay for whiteness is those parts. They don't need no big federal guberment telling them what to do with their guns or their... Robert Findlay Smith was just a good ole boy having a bit of fun. Wrong church and wrong people, so no burger for Bob on the way to jail. Seems a good guy with chair and some guts works as well as a gun, but of course he should have been packing heat.

Another responsible gun owner with no criminal record? Or a life long lunatic with easy access to a gun?
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Good luck selling gun regulation to this bunch of fucking lunatics. Was the convention open carry? If not, why not?

So much for gun regulation, elect democrats or live and die with it.


Top Republican gets booed at GOP convention
67,854 views Jun 18, 2022 A conservative crowd at a GOP convention booed Sen. John Cornyn, the lead Republican negotiator on bipartisan gun safety legislation, when he talked about what the bill could include.

Four victims = definition of mass shooting
But only being called a shooting?………..

How we gonna get em boys and girls

Maybe DC guns come from surrounding states, that’s exactly why we need serious gun laws on a National basis.

point Well Taken, thanks.

bam0813 said:

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Mass shooting
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There is a lack of consensus on how to define a mass shooting. Most terms define a minimum of three or four victims of gun violence (not including the shooter) in a short period of time, although an Australian study from 2006 prescribed a minimum of five; and added a requirement that the victims actually died as opposed to being shot and injured but not necessarily killed.[1]
In the United States, the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012 defines mass killings as three or more killings in a single incident,[2] however the Act does not define mass shootings. Media outlets such as CNN and some crime violence research groups such as the Gun Violence Archive define mass shootings as involving "four or more shot (injured or killed) in a single incident, at the same general time and location, not including the shooter".[3] Sometimes shootings involving three or more victims occur in non-public situations such as when one member of a family shoots all the other members in the family home. These killings are known as familicides and are not included in mass shooting statistics.
The motive for mass shootings (which occur in public situations) is a defining feature in that they are usually committed by deeply disgruntled individuals seeking revenge or payback for failures in school, career, romance and life in general.[4] If multiple people are shot in a robbery or killed in a terrorist attack, these deaths are also not included under the definition of mass shootings.[5]

Having a mismatch of state laws is never going to work unless you want to have checkpoints to move between states and as we all know contraband will still move across it. I don't think anyone would want state line checkpoints. Needs a federal approach.