You ever notice...

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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... that quite a bit of people who are religious also believe in things like ancient aliens, ghosts, 2012 predictions, that vaccines cause autism, climate change is a hoax, etc. and a lot of, most I'd argue, non believers... don't?

I think there's a lot more to this correlation than what there appears to be on the surface...

Another thing that I've noticed is those same kinds of people tend to misspell words or use lowercase letters when they should be capitalized, grammatical errors, they don't proof read, they don't know the correct usage of homophones (they're, their, there).

So what do you guys think when you come across a person like this? What's the best way to get that person to realize their mistakes? Usually they get upset, if you tell them they've committed a logical fallacy or spelled a word incorrectly or whatever, I've seen people do it in the least personal way possible and the other person would still take offense. What's with the automatic defensive response most people have?
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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In all honesty, Pad ... I think it's a lost cause. Imo (and the opinion of another whose judgment I've grown to trust implicitly) the big and now intractable problem is the culture of "self-esteem" that has completely divorced acclaim from performance. Today's up&coming generation feels *entitled* to their mistakes, peccadillos and simple lapses of decency. it's their inalienable right ... even by aliens, ~sour smirk~.
Bottom line ... the capacity to fruitfully point out a mistake *depends* on the recipient's capacity to feel even a speck of shame and to want to do it better. That is the thing that we've lost with the "no child left behind" mentality and its Pied Piper entourage of un(??)intended consequences. one tired old bear's view. cn
 
cannofbliss

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well people just dont like being told that they've been mislead or are stupid and fall for shit... (no matter if it helps them) :roll:

because really when they lash out at you... they are lashing out at themselves, because they dont like to hear or cant believe the fact that they have been lied to their whole lives and or been lying to themselves, but just didnt know it yet till "logic and reason" came in and gave them the old bitchslap back into reality...

but unfortunately when you do "tell" them... you are the one who usually gets to be the one to "hear" it... and its in the form of them thinking youre attacking them when in fact you are only trying to help them realize reality...

at least thats my take on it... ;)
 
tyler.durden

tyler.durden

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Hey, Pad! I'm glad that you listed those correlations, I've noticed the same thing. It seems that if one doesn't require proof/empirical evidence/critical thinking toward religious thought, one doesn't need them for many other ideas, either. This seems to often be reflected in their grammar and language skills, as well. Not very concerned with accuracy all the way around. We know that the best way to form beliefs/ideas is to look at all available data first then draw conclusions wherever they may lead. It seems that most people I encounter do this in reverse: they find a belief they like then try their very best to find data to support it. When you then attempt to point to evidence that contradicts their erroneous belief, they then become angry at you (a shoot the messenger type of thing). Like cannofbliss stated, deep down I think they are upset with themselves. It is always good to point out errors, not solely for the person you are correcting, but also for the other viewers of the thread so that they may learn...
 
Pipe Dream

Pipe Dream

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God hates homophones!

But seriously this is just a generalization that you couldn't possibly support with evidence. People might say the same thing about all us potheads.
 
Bigtacofarmer

Bigtacofarmer

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I think it has to be real hard to admit that most everything you thought you knew was possibly a big fat lie. I grew up not trusting what I was being taught, I don't know why, my sisters fell for it all, hook line and sinker. In order to make most people realize the error of their ways they would have to become way less materialistic and probably work harder for less and accept view point they would regularly not even consider. Its nice to see someone open up to the possibilities once in a while but as people grow older it is more likely to just offend them simply because they have invested so much time and money into a fucked up way of thinking.
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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...it is really clear, once a person starts to study art and myth, that they create through what are known as thoughtforms. Science counts the nodes once art and myth are creating something worth counting.

...it is not lies and fairy tales to me, it brought me to studying (as a layperson) quantum physics, etc. Nothing in the 'world' sparked interest in those subjects for me. I saw too much pretension from non-believers for it not to be 'religious in its own way'. I am a part of the Catholic heritage and I feel no need to abandon that. Making any kind of 'switch' seems superficial.

...I don't know, maybe it's 'cool' these days to be anti-religion.
 
Daxus

Daxus

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Honestly I think these people are a lost cause indeed. In my opinion it's a combination of ignorance and being a stubborn jackass. People don't like to be wrong, and they don't like to be told they're wrong, even if it's explained in a nice way. These people deny, ignore, or just scream their "point" loudly until you leave them alone and they go on living in their little world. Then they breed, and teach their children to be the same way, and so it continues onward.

These people will always exist, and always hinder the pursuit of truth and knowledge, and they are the same people that try and suppress and destroy anything that they don't agree with. Including but not limited to things they don't understand and don't want to take the time to.
 
Dislexicmidget2021

Dislexicmidget2021

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Padawanbater2 said:
... that quite a bit of people who are religious also believe in things like ancient aliens, ghosts, 2012 predictions, that vaccines cause autism, climate change is a hoax, etc. and a lot of, most I'd argue, non believers... don't?

I think there's a lot more to this correlation than what there appears to be on the surface...

Another thing that I've noticed is those same kinds of people tend to misspell words or use lowercase letters when they should be capitalized, grammatical errors, they don't proof read, they don't know the correct usage of homophones (they're, their, there).

So what do you guys think when you come across a person like this? What's the best way to get that person to realize their mistakes? Usually they get upset, if you tell them they've committed a logical fallacy or spelled a word incorrectly or whatever, I've seen people do it in the least personal way possible and the other person would still take offense. What's with the automatic defensive response most people have?
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Another thing i see so many of them believe in is Horoscopes and zodiac signs as though they had some sort of bearing and correlation to their God created world and how it will all turn out in the end.
So many of these types already have it in mind that their knowledge is shared from a higher power or God.What they dont realize is that their own ego's have become the true stumbling block to their own learning,they already have this knowledge or link to God so why should they really listen to someone who dosent believe, or if it dosent sound like the version of truth they want to hear.I think it can definetly be linked to their own educational lacking and the lack of the ability to take on new challenges on a mental scale,they are plagued by prejudice and so completely sure of what they think they know. first have a sit down and talk about prejudgementalism with them..dont know if thats spelled right but anyway..If they cannot wrap their head around the idea of looking at the world in an unbias rational viewpoint,then they are a lost cause unfortanately.Ego is understandings greatest enemy if u cant drop it for even a second,then ones own ignorance takes the wheel indefinitely would you agree?
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Padawanbater2 said:
... that quite a bit of people who are religious also believe in things like ancient aliens, ghosts, 2012 predictions, that vaccines cause autism, climate change is a hoax, etc. and a lot of, most I'd argue, non believers... don't?

I think there's a lot more to this correlation than what there appears to be on the surface...

Another thing that I've noticed is those same kinds of people tend to misspell words or use lowercase letters when they should be capitalized, grammatical errors, they don't proof read, they don't know the correct usage of homophones (they're, their, there).

So what do you guys think when you come across a person like this? What's the best way to get that person to realize their mistakes? Usually they get upset, if you tell them they've committed a logical fallacy or spelled a word incorrectly or whatever, I've seen people do it in the least personal way possible and the other person would still take offense. What's with the automatic defensive response most people have?
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No doubt about that, pad. We're using a pretty broad brush here, but I can certainly connect the dots with all that you mentioned to a lack of intellectual curiosity.

What really intrigues me are the people that otherwise seem very intelligent, but buy in to all sorts of mysticism and hocus pocus without question. Idiot-savant would be the proper label, I believe.
 
Balzac89

Balzac89

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People believe stuff because it gives life meaning.

My meaning in life is to help myself an help my friends live better happier lives.

I don't need a flying spaghetti monster to be my shining beacon.
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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st0wandgrow said:
What really intrigues me are the people that otherwise seem very intelligent, but buy in to all sorts of mysticism and hocus pocus without question. Idiot-savant would be the proper label, I believe.
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...I don't know about that - a savant has a low intelligence level, somewhere around 25. (as a rule)

...a savant 'knows' stuff that other people do not. Some say this means that intelligence is non-local. It doesn't 'happen' in the brain. The brain receives information and is not the information itself.

...the difference between a savant and a genius is that genius can produce a product from the information they receive. Regardless, both are 'spiritual' in ways we don't understand (or want to understand).

...just my 2¢ :)
 
Chief Walkin Eagle

Chief Walkin Eagle

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Dislexicmidget2021 said:
Another thing i see so many of them believe in is Horoscopes and zodiac signs as though they had some sort of bearing and correlation to their God created world and how it will all turn out in the end.
So many of these types already have it in mind that their knowledge is shared from a higher power or God.What they dont realize is that their own ego's have become the true stumbling block to their own learning,they already have this knowledge or link to God so why should they really listen to someone who dosent believe, or if it dosent sound like the version of truth they want to hear.I think it can definetly be linked to their own educational lacking and the lack of the ability to take on new challenges on a mental scale,they are plagued by prejudice and so completely sure of what they think they know. first have a sit down and talk about prejudgementalism with them..dont know if thats spelled right but anyway..If they cannot wrap their head around the idea of looking at the world in an unbias rational viewpoint,then they are a lost cause unfortanately.Ego is understandings greatest enemy if u cant drop it for even a second,then ones own ignorance takes the wheel indefinitely would you agree?
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The ego eh? lol oh the irony...
 
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