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mindphuk · May 23, 2012

Chief Walkin Eagle said:
Give a dialogue like an adult? lol gimme a break man. I have no freedom to give a dialogue like an "adult", any thread that doesnt comply with science and atheism gets hounded by troll skeptics making fun of the beliefs and demanding proof for them. Theres no freedom here for anyone that believes in spirit, when I say that I mean the belief that everyone has a soul that continues on after they die into a new amazing world accompanied by beings of higher consciousness. Anyone supporting a global movement of atheism is delusional because atheism is not proven to be true and theres just too many cultures that dont support atheism, its never going to happen.

Ignore the substance of the post. It figures.

Chief Walkin Eagle · May 23, 2012

fatality said:
i believe in a higher power, no man in the clouds with a fucking grey beard. just a straight up bonafide higher power, what's fun is no one knows what that higher power's form could possibly be. It could be a fuckin pot plant for all we fucking know. The only greybeard who has had my attention in the past year are the ones chillen da most up in high hrothgar in a small province of tamriel known to the masses as skyrim. so in conclusion i guess one could say i am blinded by science but in another sense i also believe that something put us here to watch us. something made us who already had the grasp of nuclear science and wanted to see how long it would take us to harness the same intelligence, and also to see if we could come to terms with the knowledge without making armageddon outta it, like they did. thank you aliens for putting me smack dab in the thick of this dilemma. P.S. i'll lowercase everything if i fuckin damn well want

Good shit man.

Padawanbater2 · May 23, 2012

Chief Walkin Eagle said:
Give a dialogue like an adult? lol gimme a break man. I have no freedom to give a dialogue like an "adult", any thread that doesnt comply with science and atheism gets hounded by troll skeptics making fun of the beliefs and demanding proof for them. Theres no freedom here for anyone that believes in spirit, when I say that I mean the belief that everyone has a soul that continues on after they die into a new amazing world accompanied by beings of higher consciousness. Anyone supporting a global movement of atheism is delusional because atheism is not proven to be true and theres just too many cultures that dont support atheism, its never going to happen.

Define atheism.

Chief Walkin Eagle · May 23, 2012

Padawanbater2 said:
Define atheism.

Because its such a complicated subject, right? Its dumb that your trying to prove something by asking this to me. But alright, I'll entertain ya. Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity or afterlife, a belief in nothing. Now get to your point by asking me this question.

mindphuk · May 23, 2012

Chief Walkin Eagle said:
Because its such a complicated subject, right? Its dumb that your trying to prove something by asking this to me. But alright, I'll entertain ya. Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity or afterlife, a belief in nothing. Now get to your point by asking me this question.

You were good right up until the "or"

Chief Walkin Eagle · May 23, 2012

really? Atheists consider the possibility of an afterlife? there may be hope just yet! lol Kinda makes me look at you guys in a new light.

Padawanbater2 · May 23, 2012

Chief Walkin Eagle said:
Because its such a complicated subject, right? Its dumb that your trying to prove something by asking this to me. But alright, I'll entertain ya. Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity or afterlife, a belief in nothing. Now get to your point by asking me this question.

"Anyones supporting a global movement of the lack of belief in a deity or afterlife, a belief in nothing is delusional because the lack of belief in a deity or afterlife, a belief in nothing is not proven to be true and theres just too many cultures that dont support the lack of belief in a deity or afterlife, a belief in nothing, its never going to happen."

:dunce:

Padawanbater2 · May 23, 2012

Chief Walkin Eagle said:
really? Atheists consider the possibility of an afterlife? there may be hope just yet! lol Kinda makes me look at you guys in a new light.

Chief, this, right here ^^^ is exactly what the OP is describing. I asked you to define atheism, you made an attempt, mp corrected you, and you still don't get it...

It reminded me of this scene;

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And it really wouldn't surprise me if you missed the joke...

This is the kind of people we're dealing with here...

Chief Walkin Eagle · May 23, 2012

Padawanbater2 said:
"Anyones supporting a global movement of the lack of belief in a deity or afterlife, a belief in nothing is delusional because the lack of belief in a deity or afterlife, a belief in nothing is not proven to be true and theres just too many cultures that dont support the lack of belief in a deity or afterlife, a belief in nothing, its never going to happen."

I dont even think you know what you accomplished by posting this xD But I hear you consider the possibility of an afterlife, good stuff man :bigjoint:

Padawanbater2 · May 23, 2012

Chief Walkin Eagle said:
I dont even think you know what you accomplished by posting this xD But I hear you consider the possibility of an afterlife, good stuff man

*how is this even possible?!*

mindphuk · May 23, 2012

Chief Walkin Eagle said:
really? Atheists consider the possibility of an afterlife? there may be hope just yet! lol Kinda makes me look at you guys in a new light.

Are you able to conceptualize an afterlife without the existence of a god or gods? Well, there you go, an atheistic afterlife.

mindphuk · May 23, 2012

Chief Walkin Eagle said:
I dont even think you know what you accomplished by posting this xD But I hear you consider the possibility of an afterlife, good stuff man

I've considered the possibility of an afterlife and rejected it pending further review. Same with gods. Not really difficult concepts when you don't create strawmen out of them.

Chief Walkin Eagle · May 23, 2012

mindphuk said:
Are you able to conceptualize an afterlife without the existence of a god or gods? Well, there you go, an atheistic afterlife.

Well wouldnt that make us the deities? And the most ancient ones being the most wise and knowledgeable? This atheistic afterlife is a new concept to me. I always thought you guys think we completely stop existing when we die, no afterlife, no nothin, just 6 feet of dirt.

cannabineer · May 23, 2012

Chief Walkin Eagle said:
Well wouldnt that make us the deities? And the most ancient ones being the most wise and knowledgeable? This atheistic afterlife is a new concept to me. I always thought you guys think we completely stop existing when we die, no afterlife, no nothin, just 6 feet of dirt.

You tend to describe atheists as some sort of monolith or hivemind. It's a false dichotomy and a startlingly bigoted one, essentially pitting Real Humans against the Borg. My personal definition of evil has as one of its cornerstones moral certainty. cn

mindphuk · May 23, 2012

cannabineer said:
You tend to describe atheists as some sort of monolith or hivemind. It's a false dichotomy and a startlingly bigoted one, essentially pitting Real Humans against the Borg. My personal definition of evil has as one of its cornerstones moral certainty. cn

You should have given him one of these

Chief Walkin Eagle · May 24, 2012

Lol 9gag, old school shit, for me atleast.

Heisenberg · May 24, 2012

Bottom line ... the capacity to fruitfully point out a mistake *depends* on the recipient's capacity to feel even a speck of shame and to want to do it better.

QFT

Stupid is as stupid does

Heisenberg · May 24, 2012

Chief Walkin Eagle said:
Well wouldnt that make us the deities? And the most ancient ones being the most wise and knowledgeable? This atheistic afterlife is a new concept to me. I always thought you guys think we completely stop existing when we die, no afterlife, no nothin, just 6 feet of dirt.

Apply yourself. As you have been informed many times, Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity. Knowing someone is atheist tells you nothing about their opinions on ANY other subject.

Now, knowing someone is a skeptic is different. Skeptics have many different opinions usually grounded in doubt, atheists have one opinion about one subject.

Heisenberg · May 24, 2012

Padawanbater2 said:
... that quite a bit of people who are religious also believe in things like ancient aliens, ghosts, 2012 predictions, that vaccines cause autism, climate change is a hoax, etc. and a lot of, most I'd argue, non believers... don't?

I think there's a lot more to this correlation than what there appears to be on the surface...

Another thing that I've noticed is those same kinds of people tend to misspell words or use lowercase letters when they should be capitalized, grammatical errors, they don't proof read, they don't know the correct usage of homophones (they're, their, there).

So what do you guys think when you come across a person like this? What's the best way to get that person to realize their mistakes? Usually they get upset, if you tell them they've committed a logical fallacy or spelled a word incorrectly or whatever, I've seen people do it in the least personal way possible and the other person would still take offense. What's with the automatic defensive response most people have?

I think you are basing your view on the experience in this forum. I can think of many, many people who have perfect grammar and and hold no supernatural beliefs, yet have no doubt about God. I can also think of several atheists who are not the best spellers and fully believe in Bigfoot or ESP.

As I have said before, believers to me fall into three categories. Of course this leaves out the mentally ill.

Those who just haven't thought about it, the lazy. These people want the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought. "I believe in God but can't explain why".

Those who have thought about it but not avoided mistakes, the uninformed. These people have never learned the correct way to evaluate and judge evidence. They are unwitting hypocrites. "I believe in god because of these logical mistakes I made".

And those who have thought about it, do not pretend that the world offers any sort of answers, yet believe anyway, The inconsistent. "I don't claim we have ANY good reason to believe in god, yet I have no doubt he exists". These people would not take a drug simply because others believed in it, they would want some sort of testing and evidence that it was not harmful. They inexplicably give god a pass.

All three can have different attitudes, and of course some people are a combination. I personally have the least problem with the third category. This is a person I can agree to disagree with, provided of course that they remember their place when it comes to policy making and education. In fact, I can tolerate all three positions if they do not intrude.

eye exaggerate · May 24, 2012

Padawanbater2 said:
It's a scary venture for a lot of people, I can freely admit that. But it's essential to life, to existence. Even if there were a creator. If God existed, who can say the current state of the world is what he would have wanted?

This idea of a consciousness looking out for us is so obscure and abstract to my brain I find it extremely hard to sympathize with the theists position. It really is analogous to Santa Clause.. Who can say, with a right mind, that a kid believing in Santa Clause until adulthood is good or healthy for them? Then why is the god concept?

Even when faced with undeniable logic and irrefutable evidence, belief persists... What does this tell us?.. to me, it tells us that there is a force in existence that renders individual critical thought useless. Like a virus. What do we do in the medical field when something renders a natural bodily function useless? We correct it. Yet it's viewed as 'fanatical atheism' or 'extremism' when it's someones irrational belief... This is a product of the society we live in, no different than racism or homophobia. It's a fad that will pass if people continue to be persistent and demand justification for irrational beliefs across the board. "If you can't prove it, get the fuck out." That should be the new motto for the future. Progress will inevitably prevail and theists will continue to cry persecution.

My message to theists;

GET THE FUCK USED TO IT!

...my message - is brought to you by the number 2 (works great for fonts

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Ok, so now that the forum has had a vaccination, I can reply. Belief is not so much a choice. People 'have it', people 'live by it', but people can't 'see' it. I think that might be the part that messes with people. At any rate, isn't what you propose scientism?

So youre saying science is the only source of truth? Yes. Well, youve got a problem. You see, the statement We should only believe what can be scientifically proven is a truth claim that cannot be scientifically proven because it is a philosophical statement, and so based on your own criteria, you have to reject it.

...remember that we believe in magical misty clouds and unicorns - so not much of a stretch to believe there would be atheists

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