Superfly is dead on the money and thats the same thing I hear from very service perosn or vet I know.Are they happy to go look for ieds no but they are proud they have chosen to fight for our country and what it stands for.They enlist freely except a few who think wow free school and I dont have to do anything.Those are dummies.Krime your actually willing to admit your worried about the money for this war ? That is the most selfish thing I have ever heard come out of anyones mouth.The cost to protect and support out troops is a complete non issue that remark sounded like a direct democrate line of self centered shit.Thats the problem with the democratic party its a me me me center party.Lets worry whats good for me not the country as a whole and thats why I have no respect for the democratic party.Superfly I greatly respect your service and the honor you have truely served with.I thankyou from my heart you did that service for all the rest of us so we didnt have too.I owe you we all owe you and all the vets.I buried my fiancees granfather yesterday a Korean veteran.Her biggest concern was to make sure he recieved his miltary cermony which he did and was absolutly beautiful.A full military farewell to a veteran of the airforce.I made a point afterwards to go to the soldiers who did the ceremony to thank them for it and then to shake each hand and express my gratitude to them for serving in our countries armed services.You know what I got in response? They tahnked me for just telling them I apprecited them and thier service.2 had just returned from Iraq tours and they told me how much it hurt them inside to see the media talk about how its a lost cause and they should give up and come home without a clear cut victory.How to them it meant every soldier who died including thier friends who were killed to have died for absolutly nothing.And I can tell you right here right now as sad as I was for her grandfather I cried right there hearing that from them as we never should hear a single soldier feeel un apprecitaed or dismissed in the public for doing our countires service.It hurt bad to hear it and it hurts now to be talking about it.My finacees grandfather as recent as last week before his passing was not a Bush fan which was fine but he also was so disappointed to hear people and the media even consider saying these soldiers deaths should just be chalked up for no reason and a withdraw be made without the decisive victory.Yes I believe we have the right to disagree with our country and yes you dont have to follow a herd but you do have the duty for the opportunity to live in this country to have to go and defend those rights from whoever or whatever might threaten them.Even if that means fighting in Iraq to break up organizes terroist organizations,even if that means fighting the guerillas in Afghanistan to hunt for terro organiers like Bin Laden to prevent a 9-11 type attack. Lives will be lost and maybe your one who believes well they arent over here so why are we over there making this war and the answer is simply they came over here..they did harm us... they do plan to do it again..and now they will pay as we go out in full force to show them no you will not do this again and if your gonna try our countries finest will lay down and die to prevent you from even getting a chance.A military and country weakened so much by the bafoone Clinton has left us volnurable and now we have begun a long process of rebuilding and new backing for our military we just have to pray we dont fall under another democartic leadership that will stand by worried about money cost given to our defense in order to setup programs for ilegal aliens and people who misuse the genoristy of such programs as welfare.A strong military will keep even those people alive another day.If asked to give my last dollar to help get new guns or flack jackets for our military or to give to a charity to feed a percfectly healthy person who say they cant find a single job you know my troops will have the best protection possible.I will mourn with my fiancee for her grandfather a great man who served for his country as I hope with all hope every soldier comes home as soon as possible, safely, with a confirmed victory and to never again another person who would make them feel the way those soldiers told me they felt the day they came home...
You have got to learn some mother-fucking punctuation. If you want someone to actually have to make an effort to listen to you, then you've succeeded, as reading your posts is frustrating in more than one way.
I don't support imperialism, I don't support a military business that requires war (that's one of the reasons marines get shipped out so often), I don't support mindless shouting (especially if directed by some politician), I don't support killing innocent civilians, or "protecting American interests" when that statement justifies millions of people dying.
I support intelligence and debate. And the debate is like this: you will not ever admit that what happened has been a mistake, and will never take any responsibility for what happens there unless you can make it look like we won, and your political opponents have lost.
And that simply isn't fair, and no one can debate against that. You guys would have to acknowledge point by point our arguments before you go off on some (extremely pathetic) rant that somehow mentions a lot of history but never seems to cite any of it, interpret it.
In short, if we can't debate you, then it means you haven't really said anything worth listening to. You can go call someone else a pussy, because I think it's more important that people carry on an intelligent conversation.
And let's not forget, from my experience in one of the least educated states of this union, 44th in education, Idaho, is one of the largest sources of Iraq troops from the National Guard. Is this a coincidence? They love their flag and their television politicians in Idaho... and they don't like debating, either...
When I tried to discuss this rationally in 2003, the room turned and stared at me, shocked, and some football jock that had recently signed up to go to the Marines called me a traitor. I asked him why we should invade, and he said, "Saddam Hussein is a faggot."
I don't support that sort of thinking. It's sophmoric, frat-boy logic that says I'm right if I yell or intimidate or kick someone's ass. In the real world, where intelligent people discuss things, that kind of an argument doesn't count. And it only counts politically in America because of the combined laziness and stupidity of our country; because it's been made to count by party loyalty and the media presentation of yee-hah politics and logic as something decent and presentable. Shame.
Our veterans may be our "finest," but they're certainly not the finest debaters, or the most intelligent.