For those that hate "Liberals"

So Im just chillin on the couch tonight looking at RIU and needless to say, Im high. So Im thinking about a lot of the political debate on here and how it is the classic conservatives vs. liberals battle. How many from both sides at least by their posting seem to almost view it as good vs. evil, or smart vs. stupid, etc..

Anyway, my point is this. Many of you "conservatives" seem to have a real disdain for "liberals" and anything and everything they would stand for. But what gets me is why we are all here on this site. We are all here because we enjoy partaking in an activity and hold an opinion of the marijuana subject that unarguably in todays society is considered Liberal.

So i can't help but wonder if you obviously think elected conservatives are generally wrong in their view of marijuana, how you have such a conviction they are right about everything else? Or at least enough conviction to have utter contempt for liberal ideology even though you obviously hold a liberal view point as far as marijuana goes.

legalization is a conservative issue in my opinion. at the very least a libertarian issue. libs only want it legal to tax the shit out of it.

ps but you are correct, i disdain liberals

jeff f said:

legalization is a conservative issue in my opinion. at the very least a libertarian issue. libs only want it legal to tax the shit out of it.

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Whatever the reason is libs want to, legalization is far from a conservative issue. Liberals and Libertarians are the only ones that will touch it on both the state and national level. With the exception of someone like Ron Paul, and we see how popular he is with hardline conservatives. You will simply not find staunch Republicans backing it.

jeff f said:

legalization is a conservative issue in my opinion. at the very least a libertarian issue. libs only want it legal to tax the shit out of it.

ps but you are correct, i disdain liberals

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Maybe, but the fact is conservatives want and like more police, more prisons and stiffer prison sentences. That is the bottom line.

jeff f said:

ps but you are correct, i disdain liberals

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But why? You can't with a straight face say legalization of marijuana is a conservative issue. That might as well be me as a liberal saying that pro 2nd amendment rights and being against gun control is a liberal issue.

Dragline said:

But why? You can't with a straight face say legalization of marijuana is a conservative issue. That might as well be me as a liberal saying that pro 2nd amendment rights and being against gun control is a liberal issue.

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Arnold Swarzenegger is easily leading the front as Governor of Ca in the MMJ movement. He's not very conservative but he is most definately a republican. I can't remember the other guys name but I think there is a republican congressman in New York that is fighting the same fight...I think he used on the board at NORML NY.

To think the left is doing anything for the cause of MMJ or the legalization of MMJ is very far from accurate. There have been more raids in San Diego county of MMJ dispensaries in Obama's first 12mo then all of Bush's eight years.

DubsFan said:

To think the left is doing anything for the cause of MMJ or the legalization of MMJ is very far from accurate. There have been more raids in San Diego county of MMJ dispensaries in Obama's first 12mo then all of Bush's eight years.

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This the most ignorant uninformed post I think I've seen on this board. Have you ever picked up a paper? My guess is not.

jeff f said:

legalization is a conservative issue in my opinion.

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Dragline said:

.....hold an opinion of the marijuana subject that unarguably in today's society is considered Liberal.

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FlyLikeAnEagle said:

.....the fact is conservatives want and like more police, more prisons and stiffer prison sentences.

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the cliche that conservatism is the domain of law and order, staunchly religious, backward old white folks is severely outdated. it is a cliche that serves the democrats well, but is inaccurate nonetheless. the backbone of conservatism is the control and limiting of government's influence in our lives and the acceptance of personal responsibility by the people themselves. one should never confuse the views of the republican party with the conservatism of the people. many conservatives may see the republicans as the only choice they have that comes even close to representing their ideology because the democrats have taken the low and demeaning road toward totalitarianism.

the terms "liberal" and "conservative" themselves are quite deceiving and should probably have been abandoned long ago. the schism is better described as a division between the forces of government supremacy and those of individual responsibility.

Dragline said:

Anyway, my point is this. Many of you "conservatives" seem to have a real disdain for "liberals" and anything and everything they would stand for. But what gets me is why we are all here on this site. We are all here because we enjoy partaking in an activity and hold an opinion of the marijuana subject that unarguably in todays society is considered Liberal.

So i can't help but wonder if you obviously think elected conservatives are generally wrong in their view of marijuana, how you have such a conviction they are right about everything else? Or at least enough conviction to have utter contempt for liberal ideology even though you obviously hold a liberal view point as far as marijuana goes.

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i could construe it as conservative. I dont want the federal govt telling me what to do in my own home. If the states residents think its ok to grow and smoke pot it shouldnt be up to uncle scam to stop them. Also i do not support any REPUBLICAN candidates that are anti pot. So maybe you should quit categorizing people who believe in individual responsobility over being spoon fed by the govt as republican.

SmokeyMcChokey said:

Also i do not support any REPUBLICAN candidates that are anti pot.

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lol wut rethugliconz are pro pot? whod u vote 4 prez?????? lol.

FlyLikeAnEagle said:

This the most ignorant uninformed post I think I've seen on this board. Have you ever picked up a paper? My guess is not.

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Why do I need to pick up a paper? That's your source? You're clearly proud of that and it's really a shame. The paper...wow.

I live in Ca, grew up in NorCal and have extensive ties in the MMJ community. I don't know where you live but I live and socialize within the community that's at the forefront of MMJ.

Newspapers...

DubsFan said:

Arnold Swarzenegger is easily leading the front as Governor of Ca in the MMJ movement. He's not very conservative but he is most definately a republican. I can't remember the other guys name but I think there is a republican congressman in New York that is fighting the same fight...I think he used on the board at NORML NY.

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So you can think of a couple of Republicans that are pro marijuana, and suddenly it is a conservative issue? Please tell me this isn't your argument. Hell I hope it is. I can now proclaim my pro 2nd amendment stance and being against cap and trade to be liberal issues.

Simple fact is ask anyone from MPP, NORML, etc. who actually walk the halls of congress every day which groups are most receptive to their message and I guarantee you it isn't those who label themselves conservatives.

SmokeyMcChokey said:

i could construe it as conservative. I dont want the federal govt telling me what to do in my own home. If the states residents think its ok to grow and smoke pot it shouldnt be up to uncle scam to stop them. Also i do not support any REPUBLICAN candidates that are anti pot. So maybe you should quit categorizing people who believe in individual responsobility over being spoon fed by the govt as republican.

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Ahhhh.. You make a point. It SHOULD be conservative to be pro marijuana. But unfortunately you would have a hard time in Washington finding a politician who labels themselves conservative being pro marijuana. This type of thing is my biggest gripe with conservatives. They want the government to stay out of your life as long as you are living it the way they think you should.

Another example would be abortion. Im against it personally. But i don't think it is any of the governments business to tell a woman what she can do with her body. Conservatives however don't agree. But that is another debate entirely....

Dragline said:

So you can think of a couple of Republicans that are pro marijuana, and suddenly it is a conservative issue? Please tell me this isn't your argument. Hell I hope it is. I can now proclaim my pro 2nd amendment stance and being against cap and trade to be liberal issues.

Simple fact is ask anyone from MPP, NORML, etc. who actually walk the halls of congress every day which groups are most receptive to their message and I guarantee you it isn't those who label themselves conservatives.

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So they lend an ear...big deal. Who is pushing the movement. Neither side really. I can't name another governor that admits to using pot and has the most pot friendly state in the union. It's CA and the biggest politician in the state is pro MMJ and a Republican.

Let's go back to newspapers...really. Please, lets discuss this. So newspapers are your only source right. Where do you live? You only have 188 posts so you can lie now...it's early, no one will know. Tell me you live in the 707. That would make my day.

Newspapers. LOL

DubsFan said:

Let's go back to newspapers...really. Please, lets discuss this. So newspapers are your only source right. Where do you live? You only have 188 posts so you can lie now...it's early, no one will know. Tell me you live in the 707. That would make my day.

Newspapers. LOL

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You are asking the wrong guy about newspapers....

But i get all my news from THE LIBERAL MEDIA!!!

Dragline said:

You are asking the wrong guy about newspapers....

But i get all my news from THE LIBERAL MEDIA!!!

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My second favorite comment from him is "halls of congress." He says that like the fillabuster proof democrats will actually pass something. The left cannot get out of their own way.

Fillibuster proof and they can't even pass a bill. What makes you think they can pass MMJ legistlation.

2010 is right around the corner. Obama is almost quacking and he's only been in office a year. LOL

FlyLikeAnEagle said:

Maybe, but the fact is conservatives want and like more police, more prisons and stiffer prison sentences. That is the bottom line.

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you are right there. but i honestly think that many conseratives are realizing that all these things add up to more taxes and loss of freedoms. i see a huge shift happening in attitudes where i live. especially when it comes to shit like dui's and marijuana arrests.

DubsFan said:

My second favorite comment from him is "halls of congress." He says that like the fillabuster proof democrats will actually pass something. The left cannot get out of their own way.

Fillibuster proof and they can't even pass a bill. What makes you think they can pass MMJ legistlation.

2010 is right around the corner. Obama is almost quacking and he's only been in office a year. LOL

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Hmmm.. So first you start asking me questions regarding what someone else on the forum said. Now because I used the phrase "halls of congress" you start spouting some mindless drivel about fillabusters and Democrats passing anything. Newsflash for you, "halls of congress" means THE HALLS OF CONGRESS as in corridors inside a building which lead to other parts of a building. But i give you and A for effort with taking words someone says and pulling a complete nonsense meaning out of your ass.