For those that hate "Liberals"

jeff f said:

you are right there. but i honestly think that many conseratives are realizing that all these things add up to more taxes and loss of freedoms. i see a huge shift happening in attitudes where i live. especially when it comes to shit like dui's and marijuana arrests.

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San Diego city is fairly liberal. Keep in mind we have tons of military bases....anyway the county as a whole is not liberal.

Just a few weeks ago a jury acquited a dispensary owner of all charges. The judge pulled the DA aside and said no jury in this county is going to convict a legitimate MMJ operation. Stop waisting your time.

I agree dude. Things are changing. My folks who are pretty conservative could give a shit about MJ.

DubsFan said:

Why do I need to pick up a paper? That's your source? You're clearly proud of that and it's really a shame. The paper...wow.

I live in Ca, grew up in NorCal and have extensive ties in the MMJ community. I don't know where you live but I live and socialize within the community that's at the forefront of MMJ.

Newspapers...

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Yea ok smart guy, you made the statement
'There have been more raids in San Diego county of MMJ dispensaries in Obama's first 12mo then all of Bush's eight years.'

Please cite your sources whereas there have been more Federal raids by the DEA in the past 12 months compared to the 8 years previous. If you truly believe the Obama Administration are going after medical users and dispensaries more so than the Bush Admin did then you are clueless about the industry.

FlyLikeAnEagle said:

Please cite your sources whereas there have been more Federal raids by the DEA in the past 12 months compared to the 8 years previous. If you truly believe the Obama Administration are going after medical users and dispensaries more so than the Bush Admin did then you are clueless about the industry.

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I believe DubsFan showed in his last reply to me the expert he is in pulling information out of his ass.

Guess he hasn't seen this...

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091019/D9BE5D2G0.html

"The new policy is a significant departure from the Bush administration, which insisted it would continue to enforce federal anti-pot laws regardless of state codes."

Dragline said:

I believe DubsFan showed in his last reply to me the expert he is in pulling information out of his ass.

Guess he hasn't seen this...

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091019/D9BE5D2G0.html

"The new policy is a significant departure from the Bush administration, which insisted it would continue to enforce federal anti-pot laws regardless of state codes."

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I love you guys and your links. Policy...who cares what there policy is. I care about what they do.

My reference was specific to SD.

In SD two months ago 23 arrests alone. Prior to that in Aug of 08 under the Bush admin there were only 8. SD didn't really have too much of an MMJ movement prior to this. I don't need links.

Newspapers

P.S. "Guess he hasn't seen this" like your a magician or something. We all know what Obama's attorney general has said. Like many of Obama's promises this one is empty too.

DubsFan said:

I love you guys and your links. Policy...who cares what there policy is. I care about what they do.

My reference was specific to SD.

In SD two months ago 23 arrests alone. Prior to that in Aug of 08 under the Bush admin there were only 8. SD didn't really have too much of an MMJ movement prior to this. I don't need links.

Newspapers

P.S. "Guess he hasn't seen this" like your a magician or something. We all know what Obama's attorney general has said. Like many of Obama's promises this one is empty too.

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Let the googling begin! I'm sure you guys are digging deep. Sadly I don't have to dig deep. I just have to drive around the corner.

DubsFan said:

I love you guys and your links. Policy...who cares what there policy is. I care about what they do.

My reference was specific to SD.

In SD two months ago 23 arrests alone. Prior to that in Aug of 08 under the Bush admin there were only 8. SD didn't really have too much of an MMJ movement prior to this.

Newspapers

P.S. "Guess he hasn't seen this" like your a magician or something. We all know what Obama's attorney general has said. Like many of Obama's promises this one is empty too.

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So basically what you're saying is the Obama admin is going around arresting medical marijuana users in San Diego secretly and only you know about it.

DubsFan said:

I don't need links.

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Because they don't exist.

DubsFan said:

Arnold Swarzenegger is easily leading the front as Governor of Ca in the MMJ movement. He's not very conservative but he is most definately a republican. I can't remember the other guys name but I think there is a republican congressman in New York that is fighting the same fight...I think he used on the board at NORML NY.

To think the left is doing anything for the cause of MMJ or the legalization of MMJ is very far from accurate. There have been more raids in San Diego county of MMJ dispensaries in Obama's first 12mo then all of Bush's eight years.

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So you're saying Obama sent people to raid dispensaries? When he said himself it's a state issue. All you have to do is read history and votes on this issue and see which side voted where to see that mmj and decriminalization has been voted on party lines with conservative opposition.

SmokeyMcChokey said:

i could construe it as conservative. I dont want the federal govt telling me what to do in my own home. If the states residents think its ok to grow and smoke pot it shouldnt be up to uncle scam to stop them. Also i do not support any REPUBLICAN candidates that are anti pot. So maybe you should quit categorizing people who believe in individual responsobility over being spoon fed by the govt as republican.

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If your point is valid than why is the opposite true; conservatives have lessened the reigns on law enforcement, support mandatory sentences, and believe search and seizure be in the control of law enforcement not "liberal" judges. In the name of freedom have also agreed to wire tapping, and internet monitoring.

DubsFan said:

So they lend an ear...big deal. Who is pushing the movement. Neither side really. I can't name another governor that admits to using pot and has the most pot friendly state in the union. It's CA and the biggest politician in the state is pro MMJ and a Republican.

Let's go back to newspapers...really. Please, lets discuss this. So newspapers are your only source right. Where do you live? You only have 188 posts so you can lie now...it's early, no one will know. Tell me you live in the 707. That would make my day.

Newspapers. LOL

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Arnold isn't conservative not, so give us all a break. Arnold is one of the most liberal governors ever. You could call him whatever you want but the fact remains....

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/08/14/MN40816.DTL

http://www.politicususa.com/en/Rush-Limbaugh-Arnold
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GCg76fN4m4

DubsFan said:

I love you guys and your links. Policy...who cares what there policy is. I care about what they do.

My reference was specific to SD.

In SD two months ago 23 arrests alone. Prior to that in Aug of 08 under the Bush admin there were only 8. SD didn't really have too much of an MMJ movement prior to this. I don't need links.

Newspapers

P.S. "Guess he hasn't seen this" like your a magician or something. We all know what Obama's attorney general has said. Like many of Obama's promises this one is empty too.

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I love how you say "Policy" which means you must molest collies. Stay away from my dogs.

You are not even a good neocon. Just a typical one. When in doubt, you make something up. But you don't even do a good job of it.

FlyLikeAnEagle said:

So basically what you're saying is the Obama admin is going around arresting medical marijuana users in San Diego secretly and only you know about it.
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I kinda like using the DubsFan method. I can pull all kinds of nonsense out of my ass when I want to just like him. In fact im gonna say since only he knows of these arrests he must be the one doing it. DubsFan is DEA!!! You heard it here first folks.

The real question comes down to who should run your life? You or other people? Whether a person is a liberal or a conservative if they believe they or their form of government can run your life better than you, they don't have good intentions. The issues change, but if you return to the axiom above to guide you sometimes things get a bit more clear.

Just so I'm clear...you all are saying there were not 23 arrests in San Diego a few months and there were not 8 arrests in 2008. That's what you're saying right?

You guys are so elitist. You assume that since you don't know about that it's not happening. Please...

Edit, based on all your past posts that is what I'm assuming. It's pretty clear you guys are not following what is going on. Here is the link to the most recent round of raids. Keep in mind this article is months old. Since then one of the 23 went to court and was acquited by a 12 person jury.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/sep/10/bn10pot124442/

you guys should try using google. third on the search results, ... http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112961966

Medical Marijuana Arrests; Calif. Isn't Mellow Yet




"More than 30 people were arrested last week in San Diego on charges of illegally distributing marijuana — part of the city's crackdown on medical marijuana dispensaries.
California was the first state in the nation to legalize pot for medical use, back in 1996. But in the past year, the number of dispensaries all across the state has increased dramatically because of a relaxation in enforcement by the federal government.
Still, the recent raids in San Diego show that there's still plenty of disagreement over what's medical, and what's recreational, when it comes to smoking pot."

undertheice said:

the cliche that conservatism is the domain of law and order, staunchly religious, backward old white folks is severely outdated.

the terms "liberal" and "conservative" themselves are quite deceiving and should probably have been abandoned long ago.

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It does seem like we need some other, more specific terms - at least socially conservative, vs. fiscally conservative. I have to admit that I do associate the above description with the word 'conservative'. But, clearly some of the conservatives here don't fit all of the above description. Still, I think that the majority of the people in this country who call themselves conservatives are socially conservative, and are all for locking people away for victimless crimes - based on their religious morals. I like libertarian stances on social issues and victimless crimes... but I'm not for letting corporations have free reign - I don't doubt that they'd be willing to overlook harm done to people in order to increase profits at times.

I wasn't gaga over Bush. I'm just a little worn out all those that feel Obama has some how flown in on a helicopter to save the MMJ industry. He's not. He hasn't even acknowledged these raids. One by one the owners are going to be acquited. In fact that are open again. I'm not sure of the terms but code compliance (not the police) is charging them either $100 a day to stay open or $100mo.

It's a cost that will be past on to patients.

medicineman said:

On this subject of "medical" Marijuana: How many "patients" are legitimate? I'll bet the majority of "patients" are really just recreational users with a "liberal" doctors OK slip. The notion of Medical users is Just and arguably should be legal. Piggybacking all the recreational users in on the game is a little dishonest, and is basically what law enforcement is trying to stop. I personally don't have a problem with recreational use, (I myself smoked daily for almost 30 years), but I do find the folly of the Medical usage to be disturbing. To those with medical needs, real needs, I say bravo, dispensaries are a good thing. The dishonest doctors that charge a fee for the licence and "patients" that get a licence just to get high are the problem. Law enforcement is not ready to have a society of inebriated pot users, although, a society of pot users would probably be better suited to a peaceful way of life than all the other mind altering substances man uses. I always dreamed of a day when one could go to a store and and pick his flavor, too bad I quit smoking a few years back. I realize this tirade will not gain me popularity on a pot site, but facts is facts.

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Actually you are terribly wrong. Patients get very little flack. It's the dispensary owners. What law enforcement really wants in San Diego specifically is for patients to grow their own at home and indoors. You are not allowed to grow outdoors.

Many are incapable of growing for many reasons. But to say they have an issue with patients that don't have legitimate needs is not accurate. Dispansaries are being raided, not the patient with 10 plants.

There were many patients at these raids and all were let go.

Dragline said:

I kinda like using the DubsFan method. I can pull all kinds of nonsense out of my ass when I want to just like him. In fact im gonna say since only he knows of these arrests he must be the one doing it. DubsFan is DEA!!! You heard it here first folks.

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Where are you?

I posted a NEWS LINK and they all ran and hid.

killed by their own weapon.