Opinion on botanicare nutes?

MichiganMedGrower said:

Yes it's complete. In the pure Blend Pro and kind trio they add seaweed extract for micro nutrients to be much more complete than the elements Dyna Grow adds.



I have never needed a supplement for anything and I usually use pure Blend Pro Grow only. .

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chemphlegm said:

I will try this if I understood you correctly. You have flowered to finish- a plant with only Pure Blend Pro Grow ?

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MichiganMedGrower said:

You just keep posting this very misleading and incorrect set of statements. They are your opinion only and completely unsubstantiated.

The only salts in pure Blend Pro are mag and calcium and whatever trace elements are present in the seaweed extract and worm castings and such they include. It is an all natural mix and only not OMRI certified because of a process they use on one of the elements.

Kind is made of calcium nitrate and other typical NPK and then the seaweed extract serves to fill in trace elements. So a hybrid mix.

If it says organic like the dry ferts it is OMRI certified just like your organic soil inputs. Which are mostly mined and processed from other industries waste anyway. and some stuff like guanos can be sourced and mined in horrible ways that kill the ecosystem that it came from. And there are no regulations in some of these countries for quality control or even bacteria control. Hurry up and order from Amazon.

If fed properly and complete you can not taste the difference between a bottled fertilizer grow and an organic soil grow with teas or even water only as the only elements getting inside the plant are broken down into the same usable forms. Chemicals.

You are the one falling for marketing. The. chemical based hydro Grow is the cleanest way to grow a plant if you are worried about what is in your inputs. Organic inputs are and can be dirty or even toxic from the source.

And we are not spending more than the stuff is worth. We are spending what it costs. And we like to for the convenience and many for the clean storage and space savings.

At least just say you prefer an organic grow. We have done many blind tests and no grower or patient has ever consistently been able to pick out which is which in my and my old caregivers tests and most picked the hybrid bud not full hydro or organic.

I think it was because the hybrid bud got more complete nutrition and was just better pot all around.

It tasted more of its individual strain characteristics and was more potent I thought but I only picked it 2 out of 3 times myself.

It's all bullshit opinion Yodaweed. Both sides of these arguments. All sides especially when there is a personal investment or agenda. Even reality goes out the window to prove the misguided point.

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chemphlegm said:

Sorry you havent found success in hydro nutes. I havent found one that didnt produce awesome buds here. I followed directions every time and they rocked it, never an off flavor.
only reason I went organic/dirt style is I couldnt succeed with an organic hydro system.

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MichiganMedGrower said:

You just keep posting this very misleading and incorrect set of statements. They are your opinion only and completely unsubstantiated.

The only salts in pure Blend Pro are mag and calcium and whatever trace elements are present in the seaweed extract and worm castings and such they include. It is an all natural mix and only not OMRI certified because of a process they use on one of the elements.

Kind is made of calcium nitrate and other typical NPK and then the seaweed extract serves to fill in trace elements. So a hybrid mix.

If it says organic like the dry ferts it is OMRI certified just like your organic soil inputs. Which are mostly mined and processed from other industries waste anyway. and some stuff like guanos can be sourced and mined in horrible ways that kill the ecosystem that it came from. And there are no regulations in some of these countries for quality control or even bacteria control. Hurry up and order from Amazon.

If fed properly and complete you can not taste the difference between a bottled fertilizer grow and an organic soil grow with teas or even water only as the only elements getting inside the plant are broken down into the same usable forms. Chemicals.

You are the one falling for marketing. The. chemical based hydro Grow is the cleanest way to grow a plant if you are worried about what is in your inputs. Organic inputs are and can be dirty or even toxic from the source.

And we are not spending more than the stuff is worth. We are spending what it costs. And we like to for the convenience and many for the clean storage and space savings.

At least just say you prefer an organic grow. We have done many blind tests and no grower or patient has ever consistently been able to pick out which is which in my and my old caregivers tests and most picked the hybrid bud not full hydro or organic.

I think it was because the hybrid bud got more complete nutrition and was just better pot all around.

It tasted more of its individual strain characteristics and was more potent I thought but I only picked it 2 out of 3 times myself.

It's all bullshit opinion Yodaweed. Both sides of these arguments. All sides especially when there is a personal investment or agenda. Even reality goes out the window to prove the misguided point.

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Yodaweed said:

All bottled fertilizers are not organic, no matter how hard you want them to be, it's just not organic gardening, maybe you should do more reading instead of attacking someone. It's not opinion it's fact, all the stuff you are saying is opinion because you have no evidence to back it up, botanicare bottled nutrients are not organic, nor will they ever be and that is a fact, second fact is they are watered down and you are paying for water, and that is a fact too.

This stuff will yield the same results as pretty much ANY bottled nutrient. Yes it grows buds, yes it's great for yielding buds, but it will NEVER compare to real organic gardening for terpene and cannabinoid development.

And if you are saying it has to do with my investments you are wrong, i have hundreds of dollars worth of nutrients sitting collecting dust, a entire hydroponic system not being used at all, so i don't care if i paid for something ,if it doesn't produce the results i want, i don't use it.

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MichiganMedGrower said:

Maybe you should at least read the post before your weird agenda gets you all confused.

I did not say their bottled nutes were organic. I said a process they use keeps it from being certified. They're pelleted organic nutes are well, organic.

And all methods of nute delivery and growing can yield great cannabanoid and terpene full marijuana.

My proof is in every plant science and horticulture book with facts.

Where is your proof of your opinion?

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Yodaweed said:

Don't believe OMRI listings, they allow synthetic inputs, go to the source itself or have a really good connection to get quality ingredients. Or do what i do to save yourself a ton of money and best quality control and start a worm farm and compost bin.

Just gonna throw this out there so you can understand what real organic growing is all about

https://www.amazon.com/Teaming-Microbes-Organic-Gardeners-Revised/dp/1604691131/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1500931269&sr=8-1&keywords=teaming+with+microbes

Buy that and read it, you got a lot to learn if you think botanicare is organic.

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MichiganMedGrower said:

I have a feeling I have read many more cannabis and other growing books than you. You are not sharing any new info. And never any links or proof that help your case.

And "organic" is a marketing term. Just like TLO.

I will leave my organics outdoors. Where they belong. I don't want bugs or worms In my house. I actually can't believe anyone does this.

That last statement was opinion.

And I don't "think" any point you say I do. Learn to read if you want to argue. Then gather facts first.

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Yodaweed said:

Not looking to argue with you, if you are ever in colorado i got proof with me always, also got some seed crosses i made with plants i have selected if you ever in the area i'm always the person willing to show you the proof is in the puddling.

I'd also advise you to read this book as well as teaming with microbes, these are very highly regarded by organic gardeners like myself

https://www.amazon.com/True-Living-Organics-All-Natural-Marijuana/dp/1937866092/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1500932067&sr=8-1&keywords=true+living+organics

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Yodaweed said:

I grow outdoors and indoors, if you don't believe in organic gardening that's fine

Organic isn't a marketing term by the way, it's an entire system that life follows in a natural setting that's called the food web, when you feed these bottles you completely skip that natural step

Those two books i linked explain it much better than i could ever. Teaming with microbes is an award winning soil science book(not marketing term).

Also Read this article

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/07/11/330760923/are-organic-vegetables-more-nutritious-after-all

Anyways

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWgMNqpj_Yc/?taken-by=colorado4weed2love0

May peace be with you.

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MichiganMedGrower said:

I thought I just told you I read that book and others half full of myth like it.

And I lived in Colorado for a decade. My best friend is still there. You are not going to be able to compete with the growers I know there.

One of the houses out in the mountains was the Grow for the strain Skunk 6. Ever heard of it? It is the weed that comes up in threads with growers looking for the original Skunk weed.

Their father grew it for years out there now his kid does.

I have history there and in New Jersey. You should stop talking out your ass. Just your posts show limited experience and knowledge.


And the Skunk 6 is the smelliest tastiest strongest weed anyone knows. There is a thread looking for it all the time. It is grown with powdered nutes and full water culture.

Hydro!

I don't have an agenda. I just like and appreciate good weed.

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MichiganMedGrower said:

Please stop! I am educated in this stuff past your links for years.

You don't skip the "food web" lol just because you fertilize.

And adding microbes does nothing outside. If the conditions are right for them they are already present.

And inside they pretty much can't survive in the medium for long. That's why you have to keep adding them for best results. And the nutrients in the teas are actually doing most of the work as far as elements actually getting in the plant.

If you have an agenda and are trying to sell something you think you believe you have already closed your mind to the facts.

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Yodaweed said:

I grow outdoors and indoors, if you don't believe in organic gardening that's fine

Organic isn't a marketing term by the way, it's an entire system that life follows in a natural setting that's called the food web, when you feed these bottles you completely skip that natural step

Those two books i linked explain it much better than i could ever. Teaming with microbes is an award winning soil science book(not marketing term).

Also Read this article

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/07/11/330760923/are-organic-vegetables-more-nutritious-after-all
Here's a quote from it which is a study published by stanford university

But the group found a significant difference in the levels of special compounds called antioxidants. "Across the important antioxidant compounds in fruits and vegetables, organic fruits and vegetables deliver between 20 and 40 percent higher antioxidant activity," says Charles Benbrook, from Washington State University's Center for Sustaining Agriculture and Natural Resources, a co-author of the study.

These antioxidant compounds, which go by names like flavonoids and carotenoids, are getting a lot of attention lately. Their effects remain somewhat murky, but scientists say they can protect cells from the effects of aging, or from the sort of damage that can lead to cancer.



I wonder what flavonoids in cannabis are? Sounds to me like the flavor of the weed.

Anyways

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWgMNqpj_Yc/?taken-by=colorado4weed2love0

May peace be with you.

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Yodaweed said:

I'm from NJ, grew up there, i have no agenda either and never heard of your friends skunk strain. I'm not trying to compete with anyone i am a small medical grower that grows for quality and so i don't got to buy anything ever and i can have freedom with my medicine. I'm not trying to make money off this i do this for the love of the plant and the effects it gives me, if you think i don't know what i am talking about just stop talking to me.

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Yodaweed said:

Feeding these bottled fertilizers absolutely skips the food web, and also damages it , please read those books i posted, i don't think i can help you much better than those books could , they are very educational.

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MichiganMedGrower said:

It is not "my friends" Skunk strain. It is the "roadkill" Skunk available all over the country for 30 years. You know the good stuff you can't find anymore because of legal weed being available.

And if you don't like being corrected don't post bad info on a public forum.

That's why Instagram is so popular instead for the new growers.

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MichiganMedGrower said:

Those books are full of exaggerated myth. Fertilizer doesn't automatically kill microbes. In fact they eat it.

And I told you I read them and the real university information too.

Why argue if you only read a few books?

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Yodaweed said:

I met people around here that had "roadkill" skunk, it's never really road kill, always fruity skunks, usually when i bust out my jar it over powers anything in the room so i'm still searching but don't really bother too much anymore with all these strains people claim too have, too many fakes around here and people that don't know how to grow.

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MichiganMedGrower said:

Yes many times. I also compared the pure Blend Pro bloom and Grow on clones next to each other and did the same with the kind trio eliminating bloom or grow bottles on each plant.

Kind showed no difference really. And pure Blend Pro Grow tapered down during ripening worked the best for me. Their bloom has too little nitrogen to stand alone in Pro mix.

Didn't you listen to the Dyna Grow interview I keep posting where the president of the company explains about this and admits he added the bloom bottle only for customer demand?. Not plant needs.

Here it is again. He explains his points from tissue samples.

I recently tested this again and won't be using my bloom bottle unless a plant shows specific PK deficiency and is too loaded with nitrogen. But I never see it often.

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