Snafu's Organic Garden

Thanks Snafu!! Willrespond more in a min. Got a baby on me right now.

btw, Brute, Still bad. Just say "no" to pig shit.

You can do what you want, but all I know is that pigs have some of the least nutritionally available compost from all the farm manure, and have a higher propensity rate of carrying parasites.

Of course, you can use pig manure and most likely everything will be fine. I would just make sure it is from grain fed pigs, aged for over a year, and looks and feels like hummus.

However, if it were my garden I still woulnd't use it unless I was guerilla growing outdoors.

-Snafu

P.S. Prepping a big update this morning.

yeah i did a little research and i pretty much came up with the conclusion that pic shit is good for anything not being consumed..flower beds or bushes. thanks for your input guys. ill probabally just use it in my flower gardens in the summer time as from what i read it does make a nice compost but like you said pigs have a higher chance of carrying parasites so you dont want to use it in anything grown to consume.

Hey Snafu just wanted to say thanks again for the response. I'm leaning towards a Kessil, as why would I throw away money on something inferior? I've found that if you make a good investment, you will normally get more back than from a crummy one. That's my logic anyway, not rocket science. I'll let you know what I end up with!

Official Update: 1/31/13

Sprouted: 12/1/12
Vegetative Begin: 12/15/12
Vegetative Week 5
Day 61 from seed

Methods: All Organic, All LED, Transplanted 3x to bigger pots, Topped, Pruned, LSTed and now SCRoGed for flower
Lighting: 1 BlackStar Chrome 270, 1 Blackstar 90W UFO Flower Spectrum, 1 Blackstar 240W, 4 Kessil H350 magentas
Lighting Schedule: 24/0 for sprouting, 18/6 for vegetative
Climate: 63F Lights off, 76-80F lights on. 40-60%RH

Notes:

Hello all,

My apologies for the lack of updates recently. However, it is not that fun during vegetative anyway. Since I am rearing closer to 12/12, I am now beginning a more serious documentation of this grow. In this update you will notice significant growth, some changeups to my setup, and some adjustments for the lights.


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What I really want you to notice is the branching on all of the plants. The undergrowth is immense for LED, and I believe it is because I am getting significant penetration with all this new LED technology. Since this is my first run on LED-only and am also in a selection process, I have not pruned a major amount of the undergrowth like I normally would, as I am 'feeling out' each phenotype, as well as the inclusion of LED experience, and also taking numerous clones as I go.

I present to you the ladies. Mind you, not one of these plants has EVER seen the sun, or any other light save for a halogen lightbulb for regular house lighting.


Medicine, Man by Mr. Nice Seeds
I only have this Medicine, Man left, as all others were males. This one is in the running to be selected.
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This one may be a keeper! The only female of the bunch, and thankfully so, as this one had the best growth rate, branching and node stacking. The 'claw'ing has been happening since the beginning...I thought it may be because my soil was a little hot....which still could be the case....will be interesting to dial this pheno in with the clones. Also, per the usual with Medicine Man, she clone-rooted faster than all the other genetics in the tent.

Vanilla Kush by Barney's Farm
I currently have three females of Vanilla Kush, and are all in the selection process.


Vanilla Kush One


Vanilla Kush Two


Vanilla Kush Three (this may be 'the one')



Black Widows
I have eight total...they will be included into the selection process as well.




Critical Sensi Star - Love this plants structure
Just having fun with this one....it was a freebie.



Alquimista
Just having fun with this one....it was a freebie.




Pakistan Ryder
Just having fun with this one....it was a freebie.





And there we have it! From this point forward I am going to do some more pruning on the undergrowth as I manipulate the SCRoG. I plan on flipping the switch sometime next week, or after the sixt week of vegetative growth.

-Snafu

Bobotrank said:

Hey Snafu just wanted to say thanks again for the response. I'm leaning towards a Kessil, as why would I throw away money on something inferior? I've found that if you make a good investment, you will normally get more back than from a crummy one. That's my logic anyway, not rocket science. I'll let you know what I end up with!

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Agreed! I am currently using two UFOs, but would gladly replace them with Kessil H350 Magentas if I had the money just lying around, as they are amazingly better.

-Snafu

Bobotrank said:

Hey Snafu just wanted to say thanks again for the response. I'm leaning towards a Kessil, as why would I throw away money on something inferior? I've found that if you make a good investment, you will normally get more back than from a crummy one. That's my logic anyway, not rocket science. I'll let you know what I end up with!

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Wait, okay... what're you gonna use that Kessil for? Inferior... I feel like there are better options of LED out there, besides Kessil, not saying is "inferior," just depends on your situation and what its gonna be used for... supping HID, primary source of light. etc Whats your space you are trying to illuminate?

I have a 600 hps in a 32"x32" tent, and want to add a little light to one corner.

Hell yea, get a few more and angle them into your HID, fucking potent shit, with that density.

Though you could do the same thing with more... universal panels.

I have a $300 limit on what I'd like to spend... thoughts? I'm open to suggestions..

Snafu, sorry to thread highjack. It seems like it's pertinent info, tho.

Under 300:

Blacksar
Progrow
Apollo

Maybe an AF-90 by Area 51, only 69 out of range.

Those are just personal ideas and I am far from an expert but these would be a better bang for your buck in the long run.

I think BS240's are going right around 180 on eBay, you could get two of those and literally have the most dense, and PAR ridden 7.09sq ft grow possible. Two leda surrounding an HPS... Density and quality. With no sacrifice of either.

I've read things online about Blackstars melting etc. Been reading a bunch of amazon reviews, but who knows if those are all legit or not.

They're secondhand brand, definitely the Walmart to Buckle, or DirectTV to Comcast, but of your primary source is HID, how important is it really?

If you want quality:

FERO/Area 51
Apollo
Astir
Cali Lightworks
etc.

But you're gonna pay for the difference, biggest difference is Bstar is Chinese parts-like 100% Chinese parts.

Scotch089 said:

Wait, okay... what're you gonna use that Kessil for? Inferior... I feel like there are better options of LED out there, besides Kessil, not saying is "inferior," just depends on your situation and what its gonna be used for... supping HID, primary source of light. etc Whats your space you are trying to illuminate?

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Scotch, can you provide your experience with using a Kessil? Can you also provide a comparison for me to other high-quality LED lights you have used so I can see the difference(s)?

I am just trying to determine how you came to such a conclusion...

-Snafu

Lol I do not own a kessil, but you can look at the light itself. And it's supporting datasheets. And tell that it had a spotlight affect for whatever you place underneath it, ie. smaller coverage area, not to mention a very specific nm coverage.

All in all it is a general fact that a panel with multiple nm peak's, instead of one, and a variety of len's and angles for even distribution, AND more diodes in general; will suit what he is tryig to do much better in the long run. And thats a QR because I'm at work.

I don't have any hands on exp with Kessil and have nothing against/ or for them for that matter; but research and you ll see that there ARE better options.

I have ran UFO's, Pro Grow, and Spectra to date- with many trials and tribulations, but in the end...

Success.

Ultimately. I would say Kessils look and seem like primarily a supplementational light, I'm sure you could grow under one... But that is a very specific scenario, if that's all you are wanting to do with it from here on out. Sweet, get it. But if you EVER plan to expand further into the led market, your gonna kick yourself in the face later, again... Just very specific usability.

Thanks for the info Scotch! Good to have you here!

-Snaf

Yeah, much appreciated, Scotch. I have more researching to do!

Looking great Snafu, I love the updates.

As for affordable/quality LED, Bobo, it is relatively non-existent at the moment (unless you'd like to DIY, which opens up a whole new discussion...). I'd recommend A51, if you were in the market for a light (but I'd wait for the 2013 models, coming out soon in Feb.). They offer a lifetime warranty and quality panels. Not to mention RIU has a bunch of good reviews/journals of them. I have not seen any unsatisfied customers after a little more than a year selling lights (well, maybe one...), I am confident that I am not alone in this.

Good luck Bobo and keep jammin' Snafu!

Thanks Hilo! Man, really appreciate all the good input in here. And thanks Snafu for playing host to us all.

I went into my hydro store today to ask if they carried any LEDs, and the one that they said they'd been doing tests with against a 400w hps was the Solar Flare... and that it was performing quite well. It's a little more than I'm looking to spend right now at $400 a pop. I'm still damn tempted, but will opt to do some more reading before I make any drastic decisions.