Big P
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we shifted assets a buttered up iraq and left afghan in a holding pattern now its time to train the guns on afghan full blast and bury another becon of hope in a flegling country
then we nuke mars
why you say?
why not?
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we shifted assets a buttered up iraq and left afghan in a holding pattern now its time to train the guns on afghan full blast and bury another becon of hope in a flegling country
then we nuke mars
why you say?
why not?
SmokeyMcChokey
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i supported the war in iraq. but only for it's true meaning. we are oil dependant and an ally in the region would boost our image in the mideast and allow for cheaper oil... obviously this didnt work and in fact only made relations worse. i guess i should say i never supported losing american lives over such a thing but i can understand the limited thinking capability of our previous and current REGIME and say that they were not acting solely out of evil intentions. more monetary than any other. WMD's i say bull shit
SmokeyMcChokey
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ok well... the thing is when you get into governmental interventions more often than not we see failures. IMO a truly free market without federal regulations would improve competition in nearly all markets. the problem is that governmental intervention has allowed the corporate few to rape its customers while widespread dissidense is occuring. In a truly free market any company that is prercieved as rapind its clients or even a slight taking of advantage would be discarded and ultimately deemed unprofitable further deturring others form attempting to take advantage of customers. You have to realise that half of your purchases are based on experience or second hand experience from a customer. If people are unhappy with a service the void will be filled with some one else looking to make money. thats why a free market works. it actively protects itself from unnecessary cost spikes and unsavory characters. in any form of gov't there will always be the 1% that controls 80% of the wealth. only in a true free market are those people recognized as crooks and expose their pitfalls hoping to encourage competition... rant and rant some more i will... yoda i am...
Cloud City
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Although they may not be cashing in on the oil yet Bush's wars have made many people rich.
naked gardener
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I pretty much have to wholeheartedly disagree...
In a perfect world, your ideals about the "free market" may be so, but in this world, I don't think so...without any govenment regulation our country would be even more of an oligarchy than it already is and the products/services offered & work environment would suffer bc of it, and so would quality of life... THIS HAS BEEN PROVEN IN BOTH RECENT AND IN EARLY INDUSTRIAL AMERICAN HISTORY...
If not for early govt regulation (anti-trust laws, min. wage laws, child labor laws, 40-hr work week, etc.) American capitalism would have evolved into the patron/clent system it has nearly become today much sooner.
Do you honestly believe that without oversight and regulation, that mega corporations of today (which, at one point in our recent history were not even allowed to exist bc of the havoc that monopolies and trusts wreak on a truly free market) would not just fuck us over for every extra dollar they could make?? You believe that because someone could provide a better service or product, that they will actually be able to COMPETE??
Welcome to the 21st century....That doesn't happen anymore. If it did, paper would be made of hemp and we would be driving the hydro cars that GM Exxon and Chernobyl will not allow on the market.
I find your ideals of the free market and "choices" naive--, for one--we do not dictate the market--the market dictates us.
When I drive across the country I see the SAME SHIT from coast to coast--the same gas stations, restaurants, retail stores....
Becasue of laissez-faire govt regulations, mega corps now control pretty everything on the market---they ate up small business and the american dream.
I think you mistake the Bush administrations complete ignorance on how to run anything--inc. & esp.the SEC--with failed govt intervention. The problem is that there was NO intervention for eight years.
Capitalism favors only those with capital. And behind every great fortune, there lies a great crime. You do the math.
naked gardener
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hey smokeymcchonkey--I want to clarify that i don't wholeheartedly disagree with EVERYTHING you stated (just what you tried to contradict me on..
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I.E., I do definitely agree that government intervention, in many areas, has often times resulted in failure--and not to keep going back to Bush--but that was his administration's status quo--they pretty much screwed up everything-- (I will admit that he did beef up national security (tho some of which by very questionable means)
Remember that our government is supposed to represent US--if they were not in the pockets of lobbiests (another conseq. of laissez-fair regulation) what would be wrong with regulating the institutions that are directly linked to the welfare of the nation? That is why we have a democratic representative government.
I guess, rant, too I will...
btw--i love your user name--it makes me laugh
)I.E., I do definitely agree that government intervention, in many areas, has often times resulted in failure--and not to keep going back to Bush--but that was his administration's status quo--they pretty much screwed up everything-- (I will admit that he did beef up national security (tho some of which by very questionable means)
Remember that our government is supposed to represent US--if they were not in the pockets of lobbiests (another conseq. of laissez-fair regulation) what would be wrong with regulating the institutions that are directly linked to the welfare of the nation? That is why we have a democratic representative government.
I guess, rant, too I will...
btw--i love your user name--it makes me laugh
Haul me to Heaven
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Naked Gardener said:
Remember that our government is supposed to represent US--if they were not in the pockets of lobbiests (another conseq. of laissez-fair regulation) what would be wrong with regulating the institutions that are directly linked to the welfare of the nation? That is why we have a democratic representative government." end
You need to address the first part first- Lobbyist + politicians = greed on both sides.
Yes. That must stop.
Controlling PRIVATE corporations is another matter altogether. The gov (being small in nature from the beginning) should never become so large that it 'thinks' it could or should 'control' PRIVATE business. That was and is NOT the role of Government.
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Now, when a fat, for profit pig of a wagon corporation places the 'needs' of shareholders above the life, health and well being of the people- then the CEO's and CFO's and all upper management ought to be taken outside and shot dead!
Shoy dead in the head!!!
When the love of money becomes greater than the love of mankind- we are al;l screwed!
So.... take the lovers of money outside for a 'talk'.
It's here that our actions can speak louder then our words!
Until the blood of tyrants is shed- we're dead! That's why the true tyrants think they're safe. Our Presidents have the SS to watch over them. This is good as they- the presidents are only puppets. The real evil sons a bitches are hiding behind the president and the SS./
Shoot dead the 'shadow gov and you have fixed our gov.
No Fear Here !! Fuck the wicked life destroying sons of a dead bitch! The living rule!!
Remember that our government is supposed to represent US--if they were not in the pockets of lobbiests (another conseq. of laissez-fair regulation) what would be wrong with regulating the institutions that are directly linked to the welfare of the nation? That is why we have a democratic representative government." end
You need to address the first part first- Lobbyist + politicians = greed on both sides.
Yes. That must stop.
Controlling PRIVATE corporations is another matter altogether. The gov (being small in nature from the beginning) should never become so large that it 'thinks' it could or should 'control' PRIVATE business. That was and is NOT the role of Government.
\
Now, when a fat, for profit pig of a wagon corporation places the 'needs' of shareholders above the life, health and well being of the people- then the CEO's and CFO's and all upper management ought to be taken outside and shot dead!
Shoy dead in the head!!!
When the love of money becomes greater than the love of mankind- we are al;l screwed!
So.... take the lovers of money outside for a 'talk'.
It's here that our actions can speak louder then our words!
Until the blood of tyrants is shed- we're dead! That's why the true tyrants think they're safe. Our Presidents have the SS to watch over them. This is good as they- the presidents are only puppets. The real evil sons a bitches are hiding behind the president and the SS./
Shoot dead the 'shadow gov and you have fixed our gov.
No Fear Here !! Fuck the wicked life destroying sons of a dead bitch! The living rule!!
Obama Santa
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The tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants!
Haul me to Heaven
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Let the living lovers of the life and the lovers who love life - live. Shoot dead all the suckers of profit and greed! Those that kill the soul of the loving things that love all things living a life of love. Kill evil. Destroy what destroys.
But, as always, check your fire! Check your fire!
Never kill a real patriot! A propagator of life and feeder of those things worthy of life.
Learn how to discern one from the other.
But, as always, check your fire! Check your fire!
Never kill a real patriot! A propagator of life and feeder of those things worthy of life.
Learn how to discern one from the other.
Haul me to Heaven
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Yes! Indeed! (indeed' is to do!) Yes IN DEED!
Obama Santa
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Agreed and ditto!
ObamaSanta
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The "Real" ObamaSanta did not endorse this message from the douchebag Cloud City.
naked gardener
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Haul me to Heaven said: "Controlling PRIVATE corporations is another matter altogether. The gov (being small in nature from the beginning) should never become so large that it 'thinks' it could or should 'control' PRIVATE business. That was and is NOT the role of Government."
I agree...I do not suggest that govt should control private business--but i do suggest that govt should enact laws that protect their constituents, and if that means certain laws and regulations to keep corps from putting profits/shareholders before the general welfare of the people,---then we wouldn't have to shoot anybody dead. When dealing with industries such as food, medicine and health care--there does need to be regulations in place--for the sake of protecting citizens, not controlling industry.
ALSO: "You need to address the first part first- Lobbyist + politicians = greed on both sides.
Yes. That must stop."
I'm trying to address that dude!! I just don't know how to single-handedly stop it!!!!! Arg. I'll try again tomorrow.
I agree...I do not suggest that govt should control private business--but i do suggest that govt should enact laws that protect their constituents, and if that means certain laws and regulations to keep corps from putting profits/shareholders before the general welfare of the people,---then we wouldn't have to shoot anybody dead. When dealing with industries such as food, medicine and health care--there does need to be regulations in place--for the sake of protecting citizens, not controlling industry.
ALSO: "You need to address the first part first- Lobbyist + politicians = greed on both sides.
Yes. That must stop."
I'm trying to address that dude!! I just don't know how to single-handedly stop it!!!!! Arg. I'll try again tomorrow.
CrackerJax
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The govt's responsibility according to the founding fathers (think super geniuses) was to help PROMOTE business, not regulate it. The govt. was there to help settle disputes bewtween the PRIVATE entities, not for the govt. to be one of those entities, or FAVOR one entity over another. The govt. is supposed to maintain security and a foreign policy which helps the private business sector as well as the individual citizen.
medicineman
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CrackerJax
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Freedom and the spreading of human liberty IS in our best economic interests. The cold war was also an economic war....or didn't they teach you that...
Haul me to Heaven
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"Hippies Use The Back Door" Oh, that is good! Funny sign! Sad that it was once an actual sign.
Big P
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CrackerJax
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A point no one has brought up is that FOX doesn't just have walking talking "right winged" journalists. Most of them are in the middle with perhaps only Beck and Hannity on the right. They also have some CrackerJax 
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liberal journalists as well, Juan Williams as a prime example.
Being on that set and being barraged by well informed "right" guests who get actual air time on FOX, as opposed to other networks, makes these liberal journalists "pick up" their game. They do this so they can defend themselves and their policy positions. No such thing to that degree exists on other networks and the viewers see that. They respond to it. It actually helps the left, though I can't see where the majority of ppl realize it.
lol liberal journalists as well, Juan Williams as a prime example. Being on that set and being barraged by well informed "right" guests who get actual air time on FOX, as opposed to other networks, makes these liberal journalists "pick up" their game. They do this so they can defend themselves and their policy positions. No such thing to that degree exists on other networks and the viewers see that. They respond to it. It actually helps the left, though I can't see where the majority of ppl realize it.