Evolution

[PadawanBater]

Exactly, that was my point.., Who were you expecting to answer that question?

Well of course the RIU community. I forget the real initial reason I posted the poll, I think it was something along the lines of drawing a connection between pot smokers and free thinkers - as smoking pot leads you to question things.

Well, other than me just being High, Crazy, and Dislexic for the past week. I thought your poll first stated "who believes in evolution" then "who accepts evolution" now "who accepts the theory of evolution". And the latter change which I think is a significant difference came about 25 votes later. Is it a big deal?, NO. Would the voting probably been a little different?, Yes... Significantly different, NO.

But the changes seemed to come about when the fact of evolution happens and implications that the theory of evolution was a fact were being discussed. Which to a certain extent it is based on scientific facts, but still lacks the content to be considered a Scientific fact in complete theory, by science standards alone. (my opinion)

As you can see I was really tripping: Crazy, High, & Dislexic at the time >>> No problem

Lol you must be high bro! The polls been the same since day 1.

I didn't say you couldn't stand by it, I think I said just the opposite. Unlike you tho', I believe that people of faith "Think", as well as, that atheist are capable of "Feeling"... but that's just my Theory..

I think faith contaminates legitimate inquiry. There is no room for any kinds of feelings when dealing with science.

 

[Brazko]

, Is this what is called Creationist Games..

I call it the F.O.S by all means....,

 

[Miss MeanWeed]

What about the 'Aliens created us as slaves' theory? Does that fit in anywhere?

 

[afrawfraw]

Well of course the RIU community. I forget the real initial reason I posted the poll, I think it was something along the lines of drawing a connection between pot smokers and free thinkers - as smoking pot leads you to question things.



Lol you must be high bro! The polls been the same since day 1.



I think faith contaminates legitimate inquiry. There is no room for any kinds of feelings when dealing with science.

If someone begins an investigation without a 360 degree view, his/her chances of failure increase substantially. If you cannot conceive an idea, how can you see it? I can conceive an idea of other entities out there IF DISCOVERED. But after scientists "Opened the skies" and revealed there were no "Heavens", It didn't register when it should have...No?

"When people say, 'Everyone thought the world was flat', who are they? Every one in the scientific community KNEW the world was round. But proclaiming such an idea was punishable by death, either legally or through panic"

 

[stonesour]

Its all theory, nobody knows either way. Things adapt in nature, but im my opionion dont change into other things. Viruses stay viruses, they just adapt they dont turn into squirrels... saying that evolution is fact is just laughable to say the least. crocodiles, mosquitoes, ect. have been around for millions of years actually before some dinasaurs, but they havent evolved.

 

[mindphuk]

Its all theory, nobody knows either way. Things adapt in nature, but im my opionion dont change into other things. Viruses stay viruses, they just adapt they dont turn into squirrels... saying that evolution is fact is just laughable to say the least. crocodiles, mosquitoes, ect. have been around for millions of years actually before some dinasaurs, but they havent evolved.

Really?
Crocodile Evolution
Mosquito Evolution

 

[CrackerJax]

It takes all kinds.... I guess.

 

[stonesour]

It takes all kinds.... I guess.

look I was just like everyone else, I used to preach about evolution and my disbeliefs in the afterlife until august of 2006. I was in a major car accident. 3 out of 4 people died, i was the only one that survived. When it happend I was knocked unconscious or even died im not sure, but when i was asleep or dead or whatever something came to me, something so powerful and told me that it was not my turn to die and that everything was going to be alright, Then i woke up on the street caughing blood and the only thing that was going through my mind was that feeling. long story short I came to realize there is something way more powerful out there that is bigger than me and this world and im not going to take a chance of being wrong and doubtful. Evolution whatever, there IS something beyond what I know here on earth and I know that for a fact. Just passing that along, I know it wont change anyone but at least gives you a reason why I dont believe in the whole "there is no god" thing and evolution. Call him god or not but there is something out there big time.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Evolution is fact. It's not a question of belief, it's a question of being void of emotional reliance on religion and using simple logic to accept it as fact.

To those who say Evolution does not exist because it cannot be seen, do you accept that WW2 happened? Did you need to see it happening to believe it or did you rely dates and retelling of events as fact?

To address the point of "viruses turning in to squirrels," evolution is not saying that this will happen, as the process of evolution has no goal. All life has a common ancestor, species diverge to occupy different ecological niches which become available when extinction, etc. occur in order to guarantee survival and reproduction of their genetic material.

I would be happy to address any other creationist arguments.

 

[one11]

evolution is a joke. our brain capacity is unmatched anywhere within the natural world. the complexities of the human mind prove that we did not come from monkeys. yes our skin tone and body features have adapted to their surroundings. since crackers lived in colder climates, the skin pigment lightened to allow more vitamin D from the sun. and vice versa with our black brothas.

take a look back on early human history. see how rapidly we grew and developed into the race we are now. my friends, we are an example of an extra-terrestrial biology experiment.

 

[PadawanBater]

Evolution is so obvious, I really don't understand how someone could deny it today...

-DNA proves it
-Genes prove it
-Fossils prove it
-Geology proves it
-The fact we create vaccines to fight virus' already knowing which way it will evolve, proves it
-Every living organism ever discovered is based on the Carbon element and DNA
-Every living organism past amphibian (all of which share a common ancestor) have the exact same basic anatomical layout - two arms on top of the body, two legs on the bottom, a top, bottom, left and right physical orientation, one bone at the base of the arm followed by two to the hand, same feature for the leg, one bone connecting to the body, two bones connecting to the feet. - if that doesn't prove it, it's damn strong evidence
-Take one look at a bonobo or chimpanzee and tell me we're not related

 

[mindphuk]

evolution is a joke. our brain capacity is unmatched anywhere within the natural world.

Whale brains are much bigger than ours.

the complexities of the human mind prove that we did not come from monkeys.

Really, how? Why does having a complex brain prove we didn't evolve from a species that gave rise to apes that also have complex brains?

take a look back on early human history. see how rapidly we grew and developed into the race we are now. my friends, we are an example of an extra-terrestrial biology experiment.

Yep, it only took a few million years to develop into us. Now if you think that's rapid, than what is slow?

 

[mindphuk]

Evolution is fact. It's not a question of belief, it's a question of being void of emotional reliance on religion and using simple logic to accept it as fact.

To those who say Evolution does not exist because it cannot be seen, do you accept that WW2 happened? Did you need to see it happening to believe it or did you rely dates and retelling of events as fact?

To address the point of "viruses turning in to squirrels," evolution is not saying that this will happen, as the process of evolution has no goal. All life has a common ancestor, species diverge to occupy different ecological niches which become available when extinction, etc. occur in order to guarantee survival and reproduction of their genetic material.

I would be happy to address any other creationist arguments.

Donchya love the creationist arguments?
Dogs giving birth to cats and crocoducks are the creationist idea of what evolution is. If these things actually occurred, it would FALSIFY evolution. These things can only happen by magic, not nature.

 

[afrawfraw]

look I was just like everyone else, I used to preach about evolution and my disbeliefs in the afterlife until august of 2006. I was in a major car accident. 3 out of 4 people died, i was the only one that survived. When it happend I was knocked unconscious or even died im not sure, but when i was asleep or dead or whatever something came to me, something so powerful and told me that it was not my turn to die and that everything was going to be alright, Then i woke up on the street caughing blood and the only thing that was going through my mind was that feeling. long story short I came to realize there is something way more powerful out there that is bigger than me and this world and im not going to take a chance of being wrong and doubtful. Evolution whatever, there IS something beyond what I know here on earth and I know that for a fact. Just passing that along, I know it wont change anyone but at least gives you a reason why I dont believe in the whole "there is no god" thing and evolution. Call him god or not but there is something out there big time.

Something to ponder...

"The whole-brain analysis indicated that, vs. controls, survivors showed significantly increased ALFF in the left prefrontal cortex and the left precentral gyrus, extending medially to the left presupplementary motor area... [and] region of interest (ROI) analyses revealed significantly increased ALFF in bilateral insula and caudate and the left putamen in the survivor group..."

http://neuroskeptic.blogspot.com/2009/09/trauma-alters-brain-function-so-what.html

 

[stonesour]

Something to ponder...

"The whole-brain analysis indicated that, vs. controls, survivors showed significantly increased ALFF in the left prefrontal cortex and the left precentral gyrus, extending medially to the left presupplementary motor area... [and] region of interest (ROI) analyses revealed significantly increased ALFF in bilateral insula and caudate and the left putamen in the survivor group..."

http://neuroskeptic.blogspot.com/2009/09/trauma-alters-brain-function-so-what.html

The thing that came to me in the accident I associated it with being "all mighty" pure, powerful, and mostly holy. The only thing I ponder now is how to live for god. I honostly dont think it was self awareness or anything like that. I have pondered on other ideas of what it was but Im pretty much done with that. Its been four years and I KNOW exactly what it was.

 

[stonesour]

Donchya love the creationist arguments?
Dogs giving birth to cats and crocoducks are the creationist idea of what evolution is. If these things actually occurred, it would FALSIFY evolution. These things can only happen by magic, not nature.

Well i guess it was magic that turned us from apes to man...LOL

 

[PadawanBater]

The thing that came to me in the accident I associated it with being "all mighty" pure, powerful, and mostly holy. The only thing I ponder now is how to live for god. I honostly dont think it was self awareness or anything like that. I have pondered on other ideas of what it was but Im pretty much done with that. Its been four years and I KNOW exactly what it was.

Dude, it's this attitude of absolute that is the problem.

You KNOW exactly what it was? I'm sorry man, it's good that you survived but you don't KNOW shit about that experience. You had a traumatic event happen where 3 people you knew were killed and you barely escaped alive, you attribute your survival to God because you live in a society in which everything good gets attributed to God and everything bad was us being punished by a justified God...

You heard a voice, big deal. I hear voices in my head all the time. It's you, your conscious, yourself, your thoughts. If it was God, you would know by other means other than "feeling" it.

 

[mindphuk]

Well i guess it was magic that turned us from apes to man...LOL

Maybe you missed it earlier but apes didn't turn into man. Humans ARE apes. We have been classified as primates even before Darwin. It was the creationist Carl Linnaeus that showed that we belong to the group of animals known as primates.

Your spiritual experience had absolutely nothing to do with evolution and even if there really is a god it does not in any way disprove evolution. I find it hard to believe that your single experience is the reason you decided to ignore science and claim evolution as false. If it really was the reason, then your logic fails.

 

[stonesour]

Dude, it's this attitude of absolute that is the problem.

You KNOW exactly what it was? I'm sorry man, it's good that you survived but you don't KNOW shit about that experience. You had a traumatic event happen where 3 people you knew were killed and you barely escaped alive, you attribute your survival to God because you live in a society in which everything good gets attributed to God and everything bad was us being punished by a justified God...

You heard a voice, big deal. I hear voices in my head all the time. It's you, your conscious, yourself, your thoughts. If it was God, you would know by other means other than "feeling" it.

you obviously have bigger problems than this discussion if that is the case. Maybe you should do some soul searching or see a doctor.

 

[mindphuk]

you obviously have bigger problems than this discussion if that is the case. Maybe you should do some soul searching or see a doctor.

Maybe you didn't know but hearing voices is quite normal.
I think it's only a problem if you actually listen to them and believe they are real.