acid or angel dust
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Philly_Buddah
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I disagree about PCP being like salvia and the hallucinations. Salvia is closer to being like DMT than PCP, at least in the sense that your not really in the same world anymore. If you actually do a large amount, DMT and salvia will both take you to an entirely different type of world along with strong visual and audio hallucinations. PCP is more like being in a darker dream, its the same world but a lot is changed about it. IME (and Im pretty sure its proven) PCP doesnt cause strong visual hallucinations, that is if you get them at all. What it will do is cause very delusional thinking and slight audio hallucinations.
Banditt
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completely incorrect. I am doubting you have tried both pcp and salvia as you would see similarities in the two. I have done plenty of pcp back in my younger days. You can have literal full blown hallucinations off of it. However, they are more like dreams, very realistic while it is happening. I'll give you an example of one that happened to me.
Smoked a stick with a friend of mine who wanted to try it, I knew where to get it so he came by with 20 bucks and I got him one. We met up with some friends at a local park. He and I took a walk and smoked it. By the time we got back we were full blown stuck out of our minds. I was ok as I had done it before and knew what to expect. He was a little freaked out so we hopped in a car with a few other people and took a ride to white hen to get some drinks and smokes and shit and see if that would calm him down. **here is where the hallucination pops in** He and I were both in the back seat of the car. He got out of the car to go into the white hen and while he was getting out his lighter fell out of his pocket and onto the seat. The lighter had some graphics on it with a big yellow smiley face in the center of it. As I stared at the lighter it literally morphed into the dude who just got out of the car in front of my eyes. Not really sure what transpired during that time, in actuality I think I was sitting there trying to have a conversation with a lighter lol. So anyhow, as I am sitting there talking to this lighter which to me had morphed into a person, the dude I smoked with comes back to the car, opens the car door....and at that moment when the car door opened, the lighter suddenly shrunk back into a lighter and I was holding it in my hand. I was really fucked up and quite frankly that was the coolest lighter I had ever seen. At this point I had myself convinced the lighter must be magic or some shit. So I pocketed the lighter because it was just to cool to give back. + I wanted to see it turn into a person again lol
Anyway, that was just one time I had a vivid hallucination on pvp. I'd say I may have done it 15 -20 times in my life and at least 1/2 of those times I had some type of very vivid hallucination like that one.
http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/pcp1.htm <-- go ahead and read that, it explains the hallucinations that can take place on pcp.
GSTATUS
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Idk man....
You can trip out for sure if you smoke alot of it but it's not like visuals on acid at all. I never seen anything morph into anything and pretty sure that's impossible.
I'll give you an example i was walking down the road after smokin a dip and i kept walking and no matter how long i walked it seemed like i was in the same place and not going anywhere. Shit like that goes on. lol
You can trip out for sure if you smoke alot of it but it's not like visuals on acid at all. I never seen anything morph into anything and pretty sure that's impossible.
I'll give you an example i was walking down the road after smokin a dip and i kept walking and no matter how long i walked it seemed like i was in the same place and not going anywhere. Shit like that goes on. lol
Banditt
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LOL thats exactly what I said....Its not like visuals on acid. It is a full blown hallucination. Acid is childs play compared to what a good dose of pcp can do. As for it being impossible. Well no...I just fucking told you an experience I had on it. And posted a link regarding pcp hallucinations. I have no reason to come on here and make false claims about pcp. I stand to gain absolutely nothing from it.
Banditt
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Acid more intense then pcp? You got some bunk ass shit then. A dunked cigarette smoked between 2-3 people of the shit you get around here in the city will literally make you non functional for a couple hours at least. Blacked out won't remember shit. As in stuck to the pavement unable to move or even put a coherent thought or sentence together. I'm guessing this is where the term "stuck" came from. Stuck is the slang for high on pcp used here in Chi. "Did you see ole boy talking to himself in front of the bar? he's all stuck"
Unless you've gotten really fucked up off pcp before you probably won't know what I am talking about. It's one of those drugs "much like salvia" where you can go from mildly fucked up or just buzzin, to zombiefied and in another world within a couple tokes.
Here is a similar hallucinogenic experience from someone on erowid. Many others if you read through the experiences section.
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=14726
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=68668
shepj
Oracle of Hallucinogens
They are both (psychedelic.. kind of) and dissociatives; so yes, they should carry some similarities.
anything above standardized 20x salvia is bullshit and 100% unnecessary.
Set, setting, dosage. Huge variables. I know many a person who remains coherent on pcp as well.
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Not true.
I think with the effects classifications taken into consideration, Salvia is somewhere inbetween.
This can go the other way as well.
beakback
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First of all, LSD is definitely safer, I'd even say that any research chemicals your liable to find in a hit would be far safer. PCP is an anticholinergic and d2 partial-agonist as well NMDA antgonist, so it's like ketamine, datura, concerta, and an anti-psychotic all rolled into one. It actually does have one of the effects of salvia, but i did not personally notice a very distinct similarity between the two besides inhibition in my thinking process. If your set on using a dissociative use ketamine, or dxm if you can't get k, pcp can be a volatile substance, also it is quite a bit worse for your brain than most psychedelic, I think you would be safer and more satisfied with acid, LSD is beautiful and, if used intelligently, pretty safer, i did not find pcp to be beautiful or safe.
shepj
Oracle of Hallucinogens
This looks like fun!
Where did you learn that phenylcyclohexylpiperidine is an anticholinergic? I was under the impression that it is a Nicotinic AcetylCholine Receptor antagonist; making it a cholinergic (not an anticholinergic).. maybe I am mistaken?
I do not understand how it is like Datura (I take it you are talking about Tropane Alkaloids?) as they are all anticholinergics, hence, are active from the Muscarinic receptors, not the Nicotinic AcetylCholine Receptors.
I am guessing you're saying it is like an antipsychotic simply because it is a Dopamine receptor partial agonist? Are you aware that Salvinorin A is also a potent D2 receptor partial agonist? I have no clue how you say it is similar to Methyphenidate as it is a NDRI, while PCP is NAC inhibitor (right?)
Seems to me you are full of shit. Don't talk about something you do not know about.
ganjaluvr
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Hey yo beakback.. your avatar picture.. is sweet man. I'm baked.. and was just thumbing through new posts and stumbled into this one. I was reading all the posts.. and just happened to see yours.. looked over at your avatar pic.. and it took me back to when I tripped acid the last time. I remember all the lights... I was walking about 'Beal' or.. is it 'Bill' Street.. that's in Memphis, Tenn.? I can't remember.. I just remember being there back in 2006.. or 2005 whenever they had the 'Memphis In May' thing.. and they also had the DUB auto show there too.. at the pyramid arena. But yeah, this was really random.. just wanted to let you know that your avatar took me back a few years.. as I remember all the lights that night being very vivid... and beautiful. Just like how your avatar pic looks... nice man.
Peace.
Peace.
ganjaluvr
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kronic&bars
New Member
PCP is NOT embalming fluid, embalming fluid is formaldehyde, PCP is phencyclidine and all that shit is just stupid anyways
Puffer Fish
Well-Known Member
My friend
I need to jump in here for a brief moment as I have a feeling that u might get misguided/confused/frightened from all this babble within this thread.
I do not mean to disrespect any of you .... but it seems as ..... some here watch way to much TV.
If you have not played with these potions how can you compare and suggest one over the other.
What dosages do you people speak of when u talk about ill effects ??
These substances are not weed .... (weed can give you different high in its own right ... depending on the genetics of the plant and the content of thc and other cannabinoids)
A low dosage LSD trip from a blotter paper is way different in experience than a full blown three hit lsd 25 ... brain fuck.
A low dose K experience will feel way different than a intramuscular injection ....leading to the K hole. (which is the shit if you can handle it)
The question you have to ask yourself when making a choice bwn LSD and PCP is ..... what are you after ??
And above all how strong are your mental faculties ?
Know yourself !!
Have a guide present .... and start slow and easy.
Be responsible. Do it right and you will have time of your life .... do it wrong and you might kill yourself or someone else.
Take into consideration the setting ..... choose the right people.
And you will get something out of this experience .... either or.
Listen to Shepj ....as I have a feeling he's been there as well.
If this is your first time ...start with shrooms then move to lsd .... then k then pcp.
Yes I am a psychonaut above all ....I just smoke weed to come down and take the edge off.
P.S
The real fun begins when U start combining.
I need to jump in here for a brief moment as I have a feeling that u might get misguided/confused/frightened from all this babble within this thread.
I do not mean to disrespect any of you .... but it seems as ..... some here watch way to much TV.
If you have not played with these potions how can you compare and suggest one over the other.
What dosages do you people speak of when u talk about ill effects ??
These substances are not weed .... (weed can give you different high in its own right ... depending on the genetics of the plant and the content of thc and other cannabinoids)
A low dosage LSD trip from a blotter paper is way different in experience than a full blown three hit lsd 25 ... brain fuck.
A low dose K experience will feel way different than a intramuscular injection ....leading to the K hole. (which is the shit if you can handle it)
The question you have to ask yourself when making a choice bwn LSD and PCP is ..... what are you after ??
And above all how strong are your mental faculties ?
Know yourself !!
Have a guide present .... and start slow and easy.
Be responsible. Do it right and you will have time of your life .... do it wrong and you might kill yourself or someone else.
Take into consideration the setting ..... choose the right people.
And you will get something out of this experience .... either or.
Listen to Shepj ....as I have a feeling he's been there as well.
If this is your first time ...start with shrooms then move to lsd .... then k then pcp.
Yes I am a psychonaut above all ....I just smoke weed to come down and take the edge off.
P.S
The real fun begins when U start combining.
GSTATUS
Well-Known Member
Not getting bunk ass shit...i have a butterfly vial right now...
Getting what everyone else is getting. I've smoked dippers to the head. Dippers ain't even dunked in like u said the tip is submerged then you suck it up and watch it run down the ciggerette. If you dunked a dip and just held it there that would be like 20 doses.
And listen man...i love both dust and acid. --> The reason i say acid is more intense is because it litterally can control your thoughts and mind in some situations and to me that would be alot scarier than just bein excessively wet.
And your right it's very dose sensitive. One or two more hits on the stick could bring you to a totally different place and high. Where you at if you don't mind me askin ?
Getting what everyone else is getting. I've smoked dippers to the head. Dippers ain't even dunked in like u said the tip is submerged then you suck it up and watch it run down the ciggerette. If you dunked a dip and just held it there that would be like 20 doses.
And listen man...i love both dust and acid. --> The reason i say acid is more intense is because it litterally can control your thoughts and mind in some situations and to me that would be alot scarier than just bein excessively wet.
And your right it's very dose sensitive. One or two more hits on the stick could bring you to a totally different place and high. Where you at if you don't mind me askin ?
Banditt
Well-Known Member
Yes, dunk is the term used around here. I know how it is done. I used to sell em for a while
I would agree acid is much more mental, and that could be more intense for some. My point of view is the loss of control you can experience from smoking sticks seems more intense or scary to me. I've never had issues with getting really fucked up on acid other then the typical paranoia you get sometimes. The "oh shit they all know I'm blazing" or "those fuckers are laughing at me" kind of crap that goes through your mind sometimes when your tripping balls. Although, for me it's very controllable, I am at all times aware I took something and I know it's just the drug making me feel certain ways. Where as when your really stuck you might not even remember getting high. Your just wasted. lolI'm in Chicago. Well suburbs of nowadays..
shepj
Oracle of Hallucinogens
Simply understanding some of the mechanisms of psychedelics make them not scary.
Anything you experience from psychedelics (especially LSD) is a direct manifestation of the unconscious mind, hence, the unconscious thought processes and memories within oneself.
