Skipping Commerce ( business ) in Legalizing. Your opinion.

[dukeanthony]

A foundation where Every vacant Lot in the City and everyditch along the highway is Growing feilds of marijuana

Does two things
-No one will be able to eradicate it
-Why go and put a .32 caliber hole in someone when you can go pick it yourself

 

[JimmyRecard]

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see how the market likes my breeding by being a seed vendor.

Still it is this issue of sales that holds us back. I do believe the Federal Government needs to keep sales illegal for a bit longer.

So then are we divided Dan? Do we have the support of everyone to break this issue up and pass it piece by piece?

Granting right to our common citizen would lay a foundation. What kind of foundation would it be Guys? Can we build on it?

You really didn't read my post, It's not let keep it illegal for a little bit longer it's not going to be legalized within our life time or at least not within the next 30-40 years. As mentioned before the government can't be seen to have wasted tax payers money which they have and they know it but they just think the general public is still on their side and even if they legalize it and say sorry for wasting our money etc. they will waste more of our money on taxing the implication and sales of the legalization, We will also have to pay for the compensation that all prisoners in marijuana charges will receive when released from prison.There is no way it will be legalized without allowing sales and taxes on those sales. If weed was to be legalized to grow but not toosell within 2 years time it will become worthless which you may see as a good thing but the government won't.

 

[Ernst]

I have read tour post.
I don't see your concerns as too major.

 

[JimmyRecard]

I have read tour post.
I don't see your concerns as too major.

I'm not saying it's major I am just saying it is the reason why marijuana will not be ligalized anytime soon. It is the way any government business or any major corporation acts when is has wasted a lot of money, They think well we can't go back now people will think we wasted money. It isn't a major concern too me as I don't care if weed is legalized or not but for you it is the only thing stopping you and it cannot change.

 

[Ernst]

So, Jimmy should we quit trying?
I'm avoiding a political debate here friend. I'm aware of the failed war on weed. I was around when Jimmy Carter almost decriminalized it.

 

[JimmyRecard]

Honest opinion is yes, Besides makes me feel like a crazy **word I can not say on RIU** breaking the law everyday. Nah but in all seriousness though they have lost their war to make it illegal and wrong and we have lost our war in legalizing it.

 

[Ernst]

Well that is one of the possible points of view that is true sure.

I'm guessing then that our current Cannabis Culture is fragmented because of the drop in baby boomers and the new generations with a dominance of Hispanic people rising as the new working class of the younger age.
Since the day of Cheech and Chong has me an 8 year old who experienced Jefferson Airplane on the stairs in a hallway of an old apartment building in 1969 while inhaling the wafting hashish out of an apartment with an open door, looking at our hip hop or other ages and the build-up of Cannabis Culture around consumption over the "mind experience" of cannabis I can understand why Baby Boomers and some others are still voting no.

What generation are you. I'm 1961 just 4 months older than Mr. Obama

 

[JimmyRecard]

Well that is one of the possible points of view that is true sure.

I'm guessing then that our current Cannabis Culture is fragmented because of the drop in baby boomers and the new generations with a dominance of Hispanic people rising as the new working class of the younger age.
Since the day of Cheech and Chong has me an 8 year old who experienced Jefferson Airplane on the stairs in a hallway of an old apartment building in 1969 while inhaling the wafting hashish out of an apartment with an open door, looking at our hip hop or other ages and the build-up of Cannabis Culture around consumption over the "mind experience" of cannabis I can understand why Baby Boomers and some others are still voting no.

What generation are you. I'm 1961 just 4 months older than Mr. Obama

Myself I believe I am generation Y? Never really got into the whole generation thing as I believe the players haven't changed only the game. Don't worry as the years go on more and more people smoke and even in my hometown of Adelaide, Australia smoking weed is accepted here. As each year goes on it will become more and more accepted but I don't think it will be legalized within the next 30 or so years.

 

[Dan Kone]

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see how the market likes my breeding by being a seed vendor.

Still it is this issue of sales that holds us back. I do believe the Federal Government needs to keep sales illegal for a bit longer.

So then are we divided Dan? Do we have the support of everyone to break this issue up and pass it piece by piece?

Granting right to our common citizen would lay a foundation. What kind of foundation would it be Guys? Can we build on it?

Still trying to recruit people into your cause I see.

You can break the issue up all you want. You're taking all the people who could potentially fund your cause and giving them the middle finger. It does take money to get something on the ballot. Lots of it.

But hey, if you've got some private benefactor who's going to back it, go for it.

 

[Dan Kone]

So, Jimmy should we quit trying?
I'm avoiding a political debate here friend. I'm aware of the failed war on weed. I was around when Jimmy Carter almost decriminalized it.

No, we shouldn't quit trying. but we should be practical. The ONLY reason a lot of non-smokers would want legalization is because of the tax revenue and jobs it would create. Removing that from a legalization effort gives non-smokers no incentive to support you.

What you're advocating would have no financial backing and would lose support of non-smokers. You're going to need both of those things if you want legalization.

 

[Ernst]

Still trying to recruit people into your cause I see.

You can break the issue up all you want. You're taking all the people who could potentially fund your cause and giving them the middle finger. It does take money to get something on the ballot. Lots of it.

But hey, if you've got some private benefactor who's going to back it, go for it.

What I know about you is you cycle into attacking folks. It's a personality thing there whatever your real name is.

You are cycling again and think you can dump on me. Sorry Bud.. You have to just go beat your own meat this time.

 

[dukeanthony]

No, we shouldn't quit trying. but we should be practical. The ONLY reason a lot of non-smokers would want legalization is because of the tax revenue and jobs it would create. Removing that from a legalization effort gives non-smokers no incentive to support you.

What you're advocating would have no financial backing and would lose support of non-smokers. You're going to need both of those things if you want legalization.

Non Pot smokers should be able to see that legalization causes no problems at all
But you know when you start advertizing on TV radio and the Newspaper and you end up with people getting shot over it
It becomes a problem
Should of just been happy with it being legal to grow and possess

 

[Dan Kone]

Non Pot smokers should be able to see that legalization causes no problems at all
But you know when you start advertizing on TV radio and the Newspaper and you end up with people getting shot over it
It becomes a problem
Should of just been happy with it being legal to grow and possess

All public opinion polling says that non-smokers don't support legalization without the taxes and jobs that come with commerce. I'm much more concerned with what non-smokers actually think than what they should think.

 

[Dan Kone]

What I know about you is you cycle into attacking folks. It's a personality thing there whatever your real name is.

You are cycling again and think you can dump on me. Sorry Bud.. You have to just go beat your own meat this time.

Still would like to know who you think will pay for a legalization bill to get on the ballot that ignores the majority of cannabis smokers needs (a safe and legal place to buy bud) and alienates the only group out there who's likely to fund this project.

 

[dukeanthony]

All public opinion polling says that non-smokers don't support legalization without the taxes and jobs that come with commerce. I'm much more concerned with what non-smokers actually think than what they should think.

Old People see that as Selling dope to Our Kids for Tax money
If some one needs bud and everyone is growing it
Getting a supply should not be a problem

 

[Ernst]

We are no where near the point of needing funding there Dan.

The first thing is to Unify and get to a clear position we all can support.

Perhaps RMLW will make it so we also have time to work on things if it doesn't.

 

[Dan Kone]

Old People see that as Selling dope to Our Kids for Tax money
If some one needs bud and everyone is growing it
Getting a supply should not be a problem

You still need public support. People like buying buds at dispensaries and communities like the tax revenue. No one is going to support a legalization effort that only benefits growers other than people on a growing website. Go ask someone who doesn't smoke if they'd support legalization that doesn't tax cannabis sales. Or just ask people who buy their bud instead of growing it if they'd prefer that all the places they buy it were shut down. You won't get a real positive response.

 

[Dan Kone]

We are no where near the point of needing funding there Dan.

The first thing is to Unify and get to a clear position we all can support.

It's easy to get an agreement on here that it should be legal to grow and possess. Getting something that is generally supported by the public and has incentives for someone to want to fund it is a much trickier proposition.

Perhaps RMLW will make it so we also have time to work on things if it doesn't.

I'm unfamiliar with RMLW. What is that?

 

[Ernst]

Regulate Marijuana Like Wine.

You have told me you live in California has that changed?

I feel like I'm talking to a false Californian here with you at the moment.

There is no doubt there is one hell of a suction from those in business as to which way the wind blows. By that I mean they wish it was a positive atmosphere when it's a negative pressure situation.

Look on the argument level let me toss out that we have not had, Medical Marijuana Equality State wide.
This is one of the joint values both medical industry and no voters share.

If anyone hopes to improve for medical use then they should shun profits over freedom.
I mean what good is it to have a few economically free with the rest living in MMJ poverty under the banner of MMJ freedom with prop 215.

Having typed that please feel free to contribute to the dynamic of that "what legalization" thread.

 

[Dan Kone]

Regulate Marijuana Like Wine.

You have told me you live in California has that changed?

I feel like I'm talking to a false Californian here with you at the moment

Then you feel wrong. I'm chillin in the lovey humboldt county at the moment.

There is no doubt there is one hell of a suction from those in business as to which way the wind blows. By that I mean they wish it was a positive atmosphere when it's a negative pressure situation.

Care to be less vague?

If anyone hopes to improve for medical use then they should shun profits over freedom.

Ever considered the idea that those things aren't mutually exclusive? That's a false choice. Profits can in fact used to finance the freedoms we want. They also offer protection when there was none before.

When medical marijuana was largely a non-profit venture in California those non-profits were getting harassed. There was widespread harassment of even small time growers everywhere. They were even busting AIDS patients for medical usage. Now when they harass medical marijuana they go after dispensaries instead. That's a big benefit.

You're operating under the assumption that dispensaries are some how making us less free, like there existence is somehow prohibiting you from doing ??? I don't even know what. But you haven't showed any evidence of that being true, you're just pretending that is a fact.

In my opinion the opposite is true. The money coming into dispensaries is providing a potential power base that would not exist without commerce. They can fight for us in ways people like you can not.

The assumption that commerce is what is somehow holding us back is just false.