after trying dyna gro im switching back to advanced nutrients 2 part

[crazyhazey]

crazyhazey you said "dont let AN get into your head, MJ grows wildly without their nutrients, and it grows a lot faster in nature(except of course hydro). all they need is some bat/worm shit, some rich soil, and some synthetics arent necessary but they are good because they are readily available for plants. but, they can burn them and leave your bud tasting bitter."

this obviously isnt true thats why i started this thread. with dyna gro my plants were growing so slow and i get a much higher yield with AN. your also not responding to alot of good points im making so im not gonna say alot more about this. just one more thing in a side by side grow bud candy did much better than molasses. bud candy had a better yield and more crystals. alot of people comment that it makes the trichs bigger

wait, which part of that wasnt true?
and my bad, im a little bit baked and i always forget to answer questions. when did you try flowering with dyna?
and i used liquid carbo load, basically the same thing as bud candy just the old line. honestly, no difference. and do your own side by side, you cant always trust people. theres plenty of things to increase trich output, i dont think bud candy does this but it and molasses does make the buds swell.

 

[tree king]

wait, which part of that wasnt true?
and my bad, im a little bit baked and i always forget to answer questions. when did you try flowering with dyna?
and i used liquid carbo load, basically the same thing as bud candy just the old line. honestly, no difference. and do your own side by side, you cant always trust people. theres plenty of things to increase trich output, i dont think bud candy does this but it and molasses does make the buds swell.

read the title of this thread lol. i tried dyna gro. your pretty much saying all nutes are the same just buy the cheapest ones i disagree with that. bud candy isnt the same as carbo load its carbo load and sweatleaf combined. i made a good point about the additives being easy to use and you never responded. would you at least agree with that or no? wouldnt you also agree that AN carries everything pretty much? seems like your trying to say nothing good on purpose

 

[crazyhazey]

read the title of this thread lol. i tried dyna gro. your pretty much saying all nutes are the same just buy the cheapest ones i disagree with that. bud candy isnt the same as carbo load its carbo load and sweatleaf combined

thats not what im essentially saying, just that you could get some of the same elements from that of a cheap nutrient, hell take jacks classic. look up grows with jacks, they turn out great. and its all the same shit, just sucrose dextrose and sugars. do you use superthrive?

 

[homebrewer]

lmao...this coming from ths dyna grow salesmen. you've been asked to leave by the OP of this thread a bunch of times. you even said you were leaving. you haven't offered any help to the OP in 25 pages homebrewer. you are just here to shamelessly promote yourself and your product. you have not done anything in this thread but talk shit to myself and the OP when we were doing just fine by ourselves. you were proven wrong by phil and got butthurt. go away homebrewer...we all know you are a fake. i'm a new grower and with some common sense and i can grow SUPER healthy plants with connoisseur but you seem to burn the shit out of yours. if it looks like a shill and smells like a shill then it must be a shill.....

I'd ask you do do your own Connoisseur grow in hydro (like I did and so did phil and both our plants sucked) but we all know hydro was too complicated for you .

interesting, house and garden has impressed me in the past, maybe it was off the radar canna specific nutes. do you have a thread for this grow?

I'm doing the comparison at another forum. As you can see, comparison grows are lost on people here because they simply don't understand the mineral composition of their plant foods and why some would do well or do horribly in certain situations.

 

[tree king]

thats not what im essentially saying, just that you could get some of the same elements from that of a cheap nutrient, hell take jacks classic. look up grows with jacks, they turn out great. and its all the same shit, just sucrose dextrose and sugars. do you use superthrive?

how is it all the same shit when my plants were a third smaller when i used dyna gro plus it has 16 elements? no disrespect but i think you might be too high to have this conversation. its like im saying the same stuff over and over

 

[crazyhazey]

how is it all the same shit when my plants were a third smaller when i used dyna gro plus it has 16 elements? no disrespect but i think you might be too high to have this conversation. its like im saying the same stuff over and over

hahahahahaha my bad if i seem a bit confused, what nutes were you using from dyna? i see plenty of people on here using dyna and getting great results.

 

[tree king]

hahahahahaha my bad if i seem a bit confused, what nutes were you using from dyna? i see plenty of people on here using dyna and getting great results.

you gotta read the thread. great results compared to what? i didnt get great results at all. a few people in this thread also agreed with me and said veg growth with dyna gro is slow

 

[crazyhazey]

you gotta read the thread. great results compared to what? i didnt get great results at all. a few people in this thread also agreed with me and said veg growth with dyna gro is slow

shit, well if dyna didnt work for you then i guess run with AN for now since you do well with it. are you sure you were feeding them enough?

 

[tree king]

shit, well if dyna didnt work for you then i guess run with AN for now since you do well with it. are you sure you were feeding them enough?

yes. alright im outta here

 

[nuglets]

as long as you steer clear of AN's bullshit, made for "stupid stoners", you should be ok. and i know, AN will give you good results. just the end product wasnt exactly good compared to shit i grew with other nutes, may have been caused by the salt buildups. i just try to stay away from the "canna-nute" companies, your paying extra for elements and trace elements you could get from some superthrive, good compost and a bottle of any other bloom nutes, maybe sensi. this is their best line as far as im concerned. and i know, i talk to lordjin on here and ive seen his grows, he's dialed in ANs nutes but he knows about ANs past, ive talked to him about it. he knows what hes doing, any new growers could easily go wrong with these nutes, they arent too noob friendly i guess you could say. i just dont believe they can charge that much for something you could get for so much less. you wont see too many growers using AN, they'll use something cheap like jacks classic.

you are fucking awesome crazy. i wish i could spaghetti the shit out of you. lol. you are always fun to talk to and you always keep the conversation logical and intelligent. why can't others be like that. this is my problem with homebrewer. he thinks he's the only one that knows cannibus and that anyone else that disagrees with him is wrong. tree proved that; homebrewer got clowned on the icmag thread trying to act like a know it all saying the same bs lines he uses here and trying to use the same internet "college" articles he dumps all over the threads. phillip proved it by showing buds that were WAY better looking than homebrewers; so what did HB do? he tried to claim they were grown wrong. Lordjin proved it too. his buds were SICK!! so how is ith they can grow top quality buds and homebrewer can't? i'd rather take advice from someone who has proven they can grow quality with any nutrient. isn't that what you are saying? anything will grow cannibus as long as you know how to use it and read your plants? those guys obviously did it and when homebrewer couldn't. that's my only point. i trust their judgement more than his. in my opinion anyone that just tries to talk down to people and insult them cause they don't agree with him is a fraud. that's all homebrewer ever does.

i posted a thread in the this same section asking about how people use superthrive. just a general query. homebrewer came in and blasted me saying that i should stop asking people and learn how to google stuff and learn on my own. that's just him being a dick bro.

i'm not saying an is the best. i don't have enough experience with other nutes to say that. what i am saying is that it's darn good and guys get amazing results with it. there are a ton of threads on here of guys using an and doing it correctly. why do you think they have all that money? business 101...supply a quality product and you will get repeat business. if half the stories were true about their nutes they would be out of business by now. as a company you can't survive on all new business. you need repeat customers. i'm game to try anything and i am. ive been trying different things out. i just ordered a bunch of house an garden soil 2 part and some alaska humisoil. you know...it's in my journal. i want to experiment. but calling an overpriced shit and saying that anyone who grows with them is not a real grower is complete bs. go talk to collective gardener, hellraizer, phillip, humbolt, etc... guys with REAL grows and REAL experience. not homebrewer who uses onld ass photos that all look like they are from the same grow and only pushes dyna on people. he's not a real grower man. that's already been proven.

 

[nuglets]

hey tree, you mind if i post some pics in your thread? i'm gonna take some pics in 2 hours when my lights come on. i want you to see how a guy is running connoisseur for the first time. super healthy plants. day 18 of flower and they look better than homebrewers plants.

 

[crazyhazey]

you are fucking awesome crazy. i wish i could spaghetti the shit out of you. lol. you are always fun to talk to and you always keep the conversation logical and intelligent. why can't others be like that. this is my problem with homebrewer. he thinks he's the only one that knows cannibus and that anyone else that disagrees with him is wrong. tree proved that; homebrewer got clowned on the icmag thread trying to act like a know it all saying the same bs lines he uses here and trying to use the same internet "college" articles he dumps all over the threads. phillip proved it by showing buds that were WAY better looking than homebrewers; so what did HB do? he tried to claim they were grown wrong. Lordjin proved it too. his buds were SICK!! so how is ith they can grow top quality buds and homebrewer can't? i'd rather take advice from someone who has proven they can grow quality with any nutrient. isn't that what you are saying? anything will grow cannibus as long as you know how to use it and read your plants? those guys obviously did it and when homebrewer couldn't. that's my only point. i trust their judgement more than his. in my opinion anyone that just tries to talk down to people and insult them cause they don't agree with him is a fraud. that's all homebrewer ever does.

i posted a thread in the this same section asking about how people use superthrive. just a general query. homebrewer came in and blasted me saying that i should stop asking people and learn how to google stuff and learn on my own. that's just him being a dick bro.

i'm not saying an is the best. i don't have enough experience with other nutes to say that. what i am saying is that it's darn good and guys get amazing results with it. there are a ton of threads on here of guys using an and doing it correctly. why do you think they have all that money? business 101...supply a quality product and you will get repeat business. if half the stories were true about their nutes they would be out of business by now. as a company you can't survive on all new business. you need repeat customers. i'm game to try anything and i am. ive been trying different things out. i just ordered a bunch of house an garden soil 2 part and some alaska humisoil. you know...it's in my journal. i want to experiment. but calling an overpriced shit and saying that anyone who grows with them is not a real grower is complete bs. go talk to collective gardener, hellraizer, phillip, humbolt, etc... guys with REAL grows and REAL experience. not homebrewer who uses onld ass photos that all look like they are from the same grow and only pushes dyna on people. he's not a real grower man. that's already been proven.

all i can say is come on here with an open mind,
and i see what you mean, i try to steer away from any arguments and stick to what matters, who grows the best, the fastest and cheapest. some people can act childish on this forum i admit, but hb has helped me in the past and i cant say anything bad about him. i mean, he does advocate dyna but he uses plenty of other things, hes had some pretty good grows imo, but lots of people can grow pretty well on here.
AN will give you great results, jin proved that to me as well as plenty of people on here. there is other ways to grow, but if its better to stick with nutes you know how to use, stick to AN. ill try out dyna soon, ill pm you if your interested. like you, im always down for a change. i only use synthetics in flower though, i run organics for veg and flower.

 

[nuglets]

all i can say is come on here with an open mind,
and i see what you mean, i try to steer away from any arguments and stick to what matters, who grows the best, the fastest and cheapest. some people can act childish on this forum i admit, but hb has helped me in the past and i cant say anything bad about him. i mean, he does advocate dyna but he uses plenty of other things, hes had some pretty good grows imo, but lots of people can grow pretty well on here.
AN will give you great results, jin proved that to me as well as plenty of people on here. there is other ways to grow, but if its better to stick with nutes you know how to use, stick to AN. ill try out dyna soon, ill pm you if your interested. like you, im always down for a change. i only use synthetics in flower though, i run organics for veg and flower.

hit me up for sure man. i'd love to see anything you got running.

just keep following my journal and i'll keep you posted. got most of the equipment but still waiting on a few things. then after this harvest i'm gonna take everything down and but up all the new gear. running 2 flower tents. one hydro, one soil. running the hydro tent on advanced. running the soil tent split in half. half h&g with some of their additives. half just h&g base nutes and alaska humisoil tea. feed, tea, feed, tea, water for that side and feed, feed, water for the additives side. running everything in there in sunshine #4 with 20% worm castings, 20% b-cuzz coco, and some dolmite. after one or two of those when i see which works better i'm gonna test that sunshine verses straight coco.

 

[tree king]

hey tree, you mind if i post some pics in your thread? i'm gonna take some pics in 2 hours when my lights come on. i want you to see how a guy is running connoisseur for the first time. super healthy plants. day 18 of flower and they look better than homebrewers plants.

do your thing you dont even need to ask. the more pics the better

 

[crazyhazey]

hit me up for sure man. i'd love to see anything you got running.

just keep following my journal and i'll keep you posted. got most of the equipment but still waiting on a few things. then after this harvest i'm gonna take everything down and but up all the new gear. running 2 flower tents. one hydro, one soil. running the hydro tent on advanced. running the soil tent split in half. half h&g with some of their additives. half just h&g base nutes and alaska humisoil tea. feed, tea, feed, tea, water for that side and feed, feed, water for the additives side. running everything in there in sunshine #4 with 20% worm castings, 20% b-cuzz coco, and some dolmite. after one or two of those when i see which works better i'm gonna test that sunshine verses straight coco.

i will for sure. and sweet, glad i subbed to that journal.

 

[homebrewer]

how is it all the same shit when my plants were a third smaller when i used dyna gro plus it has 16 elements?

Look at the composition of the nitrogen in the different formulas you've used, there lies your answer. Nitrate nitrogen and urea are fast acting which is what AN uses. DG uses 2/3rds nitrate, 1/3 amoniacal nitrogen. In this H&G test grow, I'm seeing 'taller plants' because they use almost all nitrate nitrogen, just like AN and GH. What you're missing is that yield doesn't come from height, it comes from the nodes and given how fast light falls off as it moves away from it's source, you don't want 'taller plants', you want shorter plants with a lot of nodes. I'm 50 days away from harvesting these H&G aqua flakes ladies and other than pH stability, concentration levels, and the height of the plants, 10 days of using Aqua flakes says nothing about the quality (or lack thereof) of this plant food.



I also want to post this because haters always going to hate...is that appropriate here? This is nug talking to me in the thread below...

Thread found here: https://www.rollitup.org/nutrients/523081-superthrive.html

you obviously know what you're doing man. your plants are amazing. i'm just new to all of this and sometimes learning about nutrients and what they do can be a little overwhelming. i mean, i love growing but getting setup and learning the plants is hard enough. i'm just getting a small grip on nutrients and the whole NPK ratio. i'm just trying to grow some free smoke for myself but also want it to be quality. sometimes too though it helps to talk to other people that are using the product and see what they say.

thanks again for clearing that up and the advice. everything is cool. i hope you keep growing fantastic buds for a long time man.

 

[tree king]

Look at the composition of the nitrogen in the different formulas you've used, there lies your answer. Nitrate nitrogen and urea are fast acting which is what AN uses. DG uses 2/3rds nitrate, 1/3 amoniacal nitrogen. In this H&G test grow, I'm seeing 'taller plants' because they use almost all nitrate nitrogen, just like AN and GH. What you're missing is that yield doesn't come from height, it comes from the nodes and given how fast light falls off as it moves away from it's source, you don't want 'taller plants', you want shorter plants with a lot of nodes. I'm 50 days away from harvesting these H&G aqua flakes ladies and other than pH stability, concentration levels, and the height of the plants, 10 days of using Aqua flakes says nothing about the quality (or lack thereof) of this plant food.



I also want to post this because haters always going to hate...is that appropriate here? This is nug talking to me in the thread below...

Thread found here: https://www.rollitup.org/nutrients/523081-superthrive.html

now we might be getting somewhere i can respect that post homebrewer. i knew i was on to something! the only thing is i highly disagree with you when you say yield doesn't come from height. unless your plants are a certain height than they have a max on the yield. like i said in a previous post no way in hell my 2 ft plants are gonna yield as much as 3 ft ones im sticking with that. i also noticed leaves just looked more alive when i switched back to the 2 part but thats a different subject. homebrewer now isnt this a better conversation than insulting me? i think you owe me an apology i was right the whole time about dg plants being alot shorter

 

[Kite High]

now we might be getting somewhere i can respect that post homebrewer. i knew i was on to something! the only thing is i highly disagree with you when you say yield doesn't come from height. unless your plants are a certain height than they have a max on the yield. like i said in a previous post no way in hell my 2 ft plants are gonna yield as much as 3 ft ones im sticking with that. i also noticed leaves just looked more alive when i switched back to the 2 part. homebrewer now isnt this a better conversation than insulting me? i think you owe me an apology i was right the whole time about dg plants being alot shorter

I am so sorry...truly...hope it gets better for you...

 

[tree king]

I am so sorry...truly...hope it gets better for you...

thank you! i appreciate that. all i was tryin to do was look for the best nutes when i tried dyna i was never trying to bash them

 

[tree king]

i hope to talk more about this later now that we found this out. i gotta bounce out for the night talk to you all later