Why should I respect your beliefs?

Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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Comparing the KKK to regular everyday churches is like comparing seaweed to a cheeseburger. They're both food, but one is far worse IMO (the KKK).

Neer is right in saying "they're the worst criminals of the mind", but I'd rather deal with somebody that preaches things that can be shot down with logic than having to deal with somebody that would gather a group of people to chase me down and beat me to death.


Apologies to anybody that enjoys seaweed.
 
Doer

Doer

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And really, do we need to split hairs? Our highest aspirations become twisted tools of hate. Par for the course, I'd say. My worst enemy is my own blindness to Truth. Now I know that word is taken, and to try to attribute another meaning is woo. Granted. I stiptulate to that.

So, without allowing any poetic license at all, to me, we are blinded from essential facts. There are so many I can't list them again, but I have discussed the conundrum of Now. And all who think it is easy, to actually, be clear of the mind cloud, are wrong They can't do it, I say, unless they have stopped dismissing the worth of it.

From the Perspective most don't kmow exisst, there are certain facts in evidence. I can only summerize to say we each are being seriously bullied by our own mind cloud. And every petty stupidity and cruelty comes from there.

In other words, we have met the enemy and it is us, personally against us, with all this hope belief, meanspirit and fear, judgement and rejection. Expectation and Reget, bad behaviour in general. We are kept from the comfort of Now. This is the Truth that is keeps us from, by us. Not any woo, at all.
 
Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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Kaendar said:
Salem witch trials? Your talkin about stuff from a long time ago. Name an instance in modern times where a legitimate church did any harm or taught anything hateful.
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Hello...September 11th. Aids in Africa. Birth control/abortion. Stem cell research. Preventing education of science, namely evolution. None of this stuff comes from atheism. It can all be traced back to acting on beliefs before you substantiate them.

You missed the point. The acts themselves are a separate criticism. The point is, dogmatically adhering to a belief, being afraid to question it and give it honest review, often leads to people feeling a false sense of authority and feeling justified, even entitled, to commit irrational and harmful acts.

My criticism is not the acts themselves, but the ideas that support the acts. You can not name any heinous acts that have stemmed from skeptical atheism. You could name horrible atheists, but their horror does not arise from their ideology on God.
 
Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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Kaendar said:
Salem witch trials? Your talkin about stuff from a long time ago. Name an instance in modern times where a legitimate church did any harm or taught anything hateful.
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And again, did you seriously think about this question yourself before you asked me? Why do you feel you can be critical of others without first being critical of yourself? You are smart enough to have answered this question with just a little thought. I mean I laid out the ground work for you.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Heisenberg said:
Exactly, though as you point out, it does not give us the right to silence beliefs, or demand they be abandoned. We allow people like Oprah to voice her beliefs because we respect free speech, and by that very same standard we must allow people who criticize Oprah to have a voice as well, nothing disrespectful about it. Spreading beliefs like most of the ones she does is demonstrably wrong, but we have ample tools to deal with that besides controlling her speech, and respecting her rights or the standards of conduct should not interfere with those tools at all.
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I don't watch Oprah often, but I've always had the impression that she's a pretty good person, with a pretty good set of values.

Can you shed some light for me on your comment ..." Spreading beliefs like most of the ones she does is demonstrably wrong..."
 
Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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st0wandgrow said:
I don't watch Oprah often, but I've always had the impression that she's a pretty good person, with a pretty good set of values.

Can you shed some light for me on your comment ..." Spreading beliefs like most of the ones she does is demonstrably wrong..."
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When I say wrong, I mean irresponsible and very often harmful.

She promotes 'the secret'. The idea that wanting something bad enough tells the universe to give it to you, even if that something is being cured of cancer or aids. She promotes alternative medicines as opposed to evidence-based medicine. She preaches against vaccination and claims they cause autism. She claims thyroid dysfunction is due to "a lifetime of 'swallowing' words one is aching to say." She thinks psychics who claim to talk to dead loved ones are helping people. She gives credence to all sort of ideologies and pseudoscience and, if you look deep enough, it certainly appears as if she knows at least some of what she is doing and does it for ratings.
 
Doer

Doer

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Plaid!?

Red, red, I love red, there is no subsitute for red. :)

Or is plaid some other reference that I'm just not grasping?
 
Doer

Doer

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Well, yes, thank you. That does just about cover it. :)

Was watching a show about nothing. No not, Seinfeld. Wormhole. Just gotta love Freeman's voice. IAC, the quantum energy contained in a speck of Nothing is enough to wipe out the Universe. OK, that got my attention. It's the quantum vacumn that isolates and modiulates the particles appearant strengh., in this Reality. oooOK???


But, then thinking about the quantum mind, we should be able to experience those non-cusual energy exchanges, directly. And perhaps they represent the Music, the harmonious ever changing sounds that become present when the mind cloud is ducked.

That's Plaid, right?
 
Shannon Alexander

Shannon Alexander

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Hepheastus420 said:
Comparing the KKK to regular everyday churches is like comparing seaweed to a cheeseburger. They're both food, but one is far worse IMO (the KKK).

Neer is right in saying "they're the worst criminals of the mind", but I'd rather deal with somebody that preaches things that can be shot down with logic than having to deal with somebody that would gather a group of people to chase me down and beat me to death.


Apologies to anybody that enjoys seaweed.
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Apology accepted...
 
Kaendar

Kaendar

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Hepheastus420 said:
Comparing the KKK to regular everyday churches is like comparing seaweed to a cheeseburger. They're both food, but one is far worse IMO (the KKK).

Neer is right in saying "they're the worst criminals of the mind", but I'd rather deal with somebody that preaches things that can be shot down with logic than having to deal with somebody that would gather a group of people to chase me down and beat me to death.


Apologies to anybody that enjoys seaweed.
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More like dogshit to filet mignon.
 
Kaendar

Kaendar

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Heisenberg said:
Hello...September 11th. Aids in Africa. Birth control/abortion. Stem cell research. Preventing education of science, namely evolution. None of this stuff comes from atheism. It can all be traced back to acting on beliefs before you substantiate them.

You missed the point. The acts themselves are a separate criticism. The point is, dogmatically adhering to a belief, being afraid to question it and give it honest review, often leads to people feeling a false sense of authority and feeling justified, even entitled, to commit irrational and harmful acts.

My criticism is not the acts themselves, but the ideas that support the acts. You can not name any heinous acts that have stemmed from skeptical atheism. You could name horrible atheists, but their horror does not arise from their ideology on God.
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September 11? I thought there was a seperation of church and state.. and aids in Africa? My church's youth group went on a mission to West Africa to help AIDs and malaria victims. And all non denominational christian churches ive been to support scientific research.. even stem cell. I think you have been spending too much time reading about extremists and quakers.
 
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