A New Proposed Federal Marijuana Law...

[ricky1lung]

I rather give them permission to search my home and allow me to PROVE I'm a compliant, law abiding citizen, than have someone stand over me while I piss in a cup!

Really it's not much different.
I would rather go somewhere else and piss in a cup then allow some random douche bag rifle through my home and belongings.

Giving permission for up to 6 searches per year is a dumb idea, why not make it a single code inspection when the room is built to make sure fire/safety codes are met? Aside from that, there is no reason anyone should have to submit to search.

 

[canndo]

How about "you can have up to 8 firearms in your home, 4 long weapons, and 4 hand guns", so long as you submit to random searches by the police. Oh yeah, that works.

 

[echelon1k1]

Really it's not much different.
I would rather go somewhere else and piss in a cup then allow some random douche bag rifle through my home and belongings.

Giving permission for up to 6 searches per year is a dumb idea, why not make it a single code inspection when the room is built to make sure fire/safety codes are met? Aside from that, there is no reason anyone should have to submit to search.

If you're pissing in a cup you're being tested for illicit drug use, so in fact, you don't get to enjoy the fruits of your labour, unless you're cash cropping and don't hit the billies anyway...

I'd be happy for a single inspection to comply with code if using MMJ as a stepping stone to full legalisation (which is what i'd rather advocate for) But this illegal to grow and posses but illegal to sell is just moronic crazy person talk. It will just guarantee a black market, the very by product that legalisation does away with... JMO

 

[Doer]

Really it's not much different.
I would rather go somewhere else and piss in a cup then allow some random douche bag rifle through my home and belongings.

Giving permission for up to 6 searches per year is a dumb idea, why not make it a single code inspection when the room is built to make sure fire/safety codes are met? Aside from that, there is no reason anyone should have to submit to search.

I will never submit to warrant-less search, ever.

You let these guys in your home randomly for an un-speciifed reasonable search and what is the limit of probably cause of further trouble on tidyness, or your kids sniffles. They will bring CPS, next time. As I have told, I risk a beating to lock a cop out of my car. If you are in Alabama or some other redneck State, this will never work. Reduce risk, not invite it.

If you go blabbing casually to a trained, psycho-socical confrontation expert, which is all they hire these days, you are actually submitting to have your mind searched under micro-expression scrutiny.

Who thinks I'm kidding?

And who knows what this can lead to if you break the Castle Doctrine by this fold up. A Police State is right around the corner in a lot of places.

"Juden. Juden! Letzte Chance werfen sie ihre Juden! Schnell!"


Invasion is only for Parolees, and such. It is specifically prohibited, actually. You will put all ganja growers on endless Probabtion?

They have this in CO. If is for the next level up, Ag Inspections, Health Inspections.

Not in my castle.

 

[ricky1lung]

If you're pissing in a cup you're being tested for illicit drug use, so in fact, you don't get to enjoy the fruits of your labour, unless you're cash cropping and don't hit the billies anyway...

I'd be happy for a single inspection to comply with code if using MMJ as a stepping stone to full legalisation (which is what i'd rather advocate for) But this illegal to grow and posses but illegal to sell is just moronic crazy person talk. It will just guarantee a black market, the very by product that legalisation does away with... JMO

I'm all for full legalization, grow it, sell it and regulate it. Besides the only way you're pissing in a cup is if it is required by law due to criminal offense
or for work.

To me the only reason there would need to be any kind of visit is to make sure the grow area is up to code. The safety factor is part
of the reason the Canadian gov is doing away with home grows (which is complete BS).
LEO are not trained in building code so they need not be there, just a city inspector, one time.

The city or municipality could require a permit to construct the area thus dumping money back into the system that I really don't think
people would complain about to be able to grow legally.

 

[Doer]

The insurance snarl up alone is only one but enough reason, in CA, the State takes no official notice at all. Counties decide. And then in my County, my little town has not decided to have a dispensary, yet.

Yep, self rule. We have a semi-conservative little pocket and yet we all watch Dr. Sanjay Gupta, too.

And talk about sheep, many people are. But, they count on the reasonableness of self rule in general. No stampedes. And, it looks like there is some movement, now. But, there is a stall, nay, a pause... to gawk.

Self rule in 2 States have it legal. Cannabis is up on the auction block now, if you know what I mean.

Monsanto for Queen! Help me elect Monsanto OUR Queen of the Ganja Ball!

 

[AlabamaRedneck]

How about "you can have up to 8 firearms in your home, 4 long weapons, and 4 hand guns", so long as you submit to random searches by the police. Oh yeah, that works.

Hey dumb shit, if you look at the laws in medical marijuana states for legally licensed "care giver growers" (i.e. people who are allowed to grow and give MJ to patients with Dr. prescriptions), you'll see limits on the number of plants in veg, in flower, and in storage (weight of buds in jars after harvest). I'm not making this up. Read the laws for each state, and you'll see I'm telling the truth...because I've read the laws.

And although I've not read the fine print on applications to become "care giver growers", I'll bet some states include verbage that allows random searches to ensure compliance with limits...

And yet these laws have been labeled as "progressive" by most MJ advocates...

Hell, we're all on the same team but we're fighting against one another so much that the gov't is laughing at us...

 

[HeadieNugz]

Proposed new FEDERAL marijuana law (in "non-legal" terms; I'm not a lawyer):

Any household headed by a person 21 years of age or older can grow marijuana on their own property, indoors or outdoors, under the following rules:

1. A total of eight marijuana plants can be grown at any given time: up to four plants in the vegetative stage, and up to four plants in the flowering stage.

2. Additionally, a total of one pound of dried (or drying) marijuana can be stored inside the house, as long as it was grown according to (1) above.

3. In order for the "household head" to be lawfully "accepted" for (1) and (2) above, he/she must sign a legally binding document agreeing to random police searches of the property on which the marijuana is being grown. Any violations noted in any search must be witnessed by, corroborated by, and video-taped by a "marijuana growing advocate" (so a rouge cop doesn't frame a law-abiding grower).

4. The number of searches per household will be limited to two per month, and six per year (this doesn't mean there will be this many searches; it just places upper bounds on the number of searches allowed).

5. Any person 18 years of age or older can use marijuana in such a household.

I realize that the legal wording of such a law would probably surpass "War and Peace" in length, but surely you get my drift...

Good proposal?

If your having trouble with discerning WHY 5-4 are such an abhorrence, i direct your attention to a quaint little document entailing BASE human freedoms conceptualized and implemented some 2 plus centuries ago, in specific i call amendment #4 to your attention...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

 

[AlabamaRedneck]

Hey hickso the clown, clearly you misunderstand: Its not a question of LEGALITY, its a question of CONSTITUTIONALITY.
9/10 laws passed are unconstitutional in one way or another. This country is heading for marshal law wrapped in a Tea Party flag... Or are you a centrist lapdog, living your white collared life snugly in the Governments pocket?
This is why Constitutional law is, you know, a THING. Debating how well the laws proposed and passed adhere to the core governing doctrine of our whole f*cking democratic nation. Or has chewing dip and riding a tractor rotted your skull and jarred your brain loose? Why should i expect anything more from the self proclaimed "Alabama RedNeck": Neither are things to be proud of, pal.

Well, I used to dip, but quit...

And I don't ride a tractor, but i do LOVE to ride ATVs...a Honda Rancher 350 to be exact...try one, you'll like it...

This thread has become a haven for elitist snobs who have "pie in the sky" notions of MJ legality...again, my proposal is NOT perfect, I know...

But it IS a definite step above what we now must endure...at least for PERSONAL growers...you drug dealer wannabes have a different row to hoe, I know...

 

[ChesusRice]

Well, I used to dip, but quit...

And I don't ride a tractor, but i do LOVE to ride ATVs...a Honda Rancher 350 to be exact...try one, you'll like it...

This thread has become a haven for elitist snobs who have "pie in the sky" notions of MJ legality...again, my proposal is NOT perfect, I know...

But it IS a definite step above what we now must endure...at least for PERSONAL growers...you drug dealer wannabes have a different row to hoe, I know...

How about legal to grow and possess

Illegal to sell

Now there is no goverment intrusion. And your giving cops blanket permission to search your house is the most ASSININE thing I have ever read on RIU

 

[nontheist]

How about legal to grow and possess

Illegal to sell

Now there is no goverment intrusion. And your giving cops blanket permission to search your house is the most ASSININE thing I have ever read on RIU

It will never work, have you seen what the liberals have done to cigarettes? They have taxed the living shit out of smokers under the guise of offsetting medical cost then they turn around and let insurance fuck them in the ass too. So essentially they're paying for their bad habit twice. It will be no different with cannabis even thinking that is delusional.

 

[ChesusRice]

It will never work, have you seen what the liberals have done to cigarettes? They have taxed the living shit out of smokers under the guise of offsetting medical cost then they turn around and let insurance fuck them in the ass too. So essentially they're paying for their bad habit twice. It will be no different with cannabis even thinking that is delusional.

How you going to tax or regulate something that isnt being sold?

Now however if you make it legal to sell you open up a whole bunch of regulatory and tax authoritys to step all over the trade not to mention the Big Corps trying to limit th emarket to just them with lobbying and new laws I.E. alchohol and tobacco

 

[UncleBuck]

It will never work, have you seen what the liberals have done to cigarettes? They have taxed the living shit out of smokers under the guise of offsetting medical cost then they turn around and let insurance fuck them in the ass too. So essentially they're paying for their bad habit twice.

those poor smokers

can't we just pass on our negative externalities without all the persecution for a habit we choose to engage in?

 

[nontheist]

those poor smokers

can't we just pass on our negative externalities without all the persecution for a habit we choose to engage in?

like eating too much?
not getting enough sleep? (Debatable that it kills you faster than smoking)
Extreme sports?
Owning a motorcycle?
Smoking cannabis?
Drinking beer?
Drinking soda?
Driving a sports car?

This list can go on forever but this is enough to show how stupid your point is.

 

[Doer]

It will never work, have you seen what the liberals have done to cigarettes? They have taxed the living shit out of smokers under the guise of offsetting medical cost then they turn around and let insurance fuck them in the ass too. So essentially they're paying for their bad habit twice. It will be no different with cannabis even thinking that is delusional.

Let's not go there. Tobacco has never been considered medicinal. It is a Night Shade genus. Poison.

Cannabis has always been considered medicinal. And it was banned only as a racist statement, against Asian and Black, in the big 4 States. An entire Madness was created, whole cloth, and smeared. And still the O'Riley types could be next to get on the bandwagon. It happens fast. It in on the auction block now. The Berlin wall ain't in it, my friends, for speed of change, with this much money on the block.

But, tobacco is different and everyone knows it. No one lumps them together and no one sees competition.

You can't understand this until you go to R Nation's Capital (tm) Go unto there all Americans and behold the very Motif of the Halls of Congress.

Tobacco is King. And it is not the money, it is a symbol of our Nation, very similar to the Bald Eagle. It is a superb fighting drug, don't you see? Kaat takes 1/2 a day, to get loony. Tobacco takes 1 drag to harden your aim.

So, Ganja is a medicine and not a fighting drug. We are not trying to replace the Pause that Refreshes your aim.

Get this mixed up and we lose.

 

[nontheist]

How you going to tax or regulate something that isnt being sold?

Now however if you make it legal to sell you open up a whole bunch of regulatory and tax authoritys to step all over the trade not to mention the Big Corps trying to limit th emarket to just them with lobbying and new laws I.E. alchohol and tobacco

They just have no incentive to do it without tax, democrats under Obama are starting to get real blurry on cannabis and it seems we're losing allies and its shifting more idepenant and libertarian.

 

[nontheist]

Let's not go there. Tobacco has never been considered medicinal. It is a Night Shade genus. Poison.

Cannabis has always been considered medicinal. And it was banned only as a racist statement, against Asian and Black, in the big 4 States. An entire Madness was created, whole cloth, and smeared. And still the O'Riley types could be next. It in on the auction block now. The Berlin wall ain't in it, my friends, with this much money on the block.

But, tobacco is different and everyone knows it. No one lumps them together and no one see a competition.

You can't understand this until you go to R Nation's Capital (tm) Go unto there all Americans and behold the very Motif of the Halls of Congress.

Tobacco is King. And it is not the money, it is a symbol of our Nation, very similar to the Bald Eagle. It is a superb fighting drug, don't you see? Kaat takes 1/2 a day, to get loony. Tobacco takes 1 drag to harden your aim.

So, Ganja is a medicine and not a fighting drug. We are not trying to replace the Pause that Refreshes your aim.

Get this mixed up and we lose.

What's your goal here to get it legalized or medicinal? You will have one or the other and the latter will give complete control to Uncle Sam. Talk about watching your aim.

 

[UncleBuck]

like eating too much?
not getting enough sleep? (Debatable that it kills you faster than smoking)
Extreme sports?
Owning a motorcycle?
Smoking cannabis?
Drinking beer?
Drinking soda?
Driving a sports car?

This list can go on forever but this is enough to show how stupid your point is.

what does the annual death tally look like from that list? how about the negative externalities?

i'll wait while you look that last phrase up.

 

[ChesusRice]

I would love to try some Khat

 

[HeadieNugz]

How about legal to grow and possess

Illegal to sell

Now there is no goverment intrusion. And your giving cops blanket permission to search your house is the most ASSININE thing I have ever read on RIU

Asinine, i love that word lol. Adequately articulated, my friend.