110v VS 220v

Vonkins said:

. This is what confused me. Earlier in this post u said it doesn't make a difference in ur bill. But now for some reason u changed ur mind and said it does make ur bill cheaper. So which one is it, cheaper bill or not. Looks like ur just following the bandwagon and don't really know ohms law.

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it depends on certain factors that dont really apply to most peoples understanding and on top of that we are talking about 12% or less.

for general rule of thumb you are not going to save any money between the 2 types of voltage. not because of your watts, amps, ohme ect. thats not why you save 10% now ive given enough clues answer the question. if you know electrical theory, this shouldnt be that hard to answer.

polyarcturus said:

it depends on certain factors that dont really apply to most peoples understanding and on top of that we are talking about 12% or less.

for general rule of thumb you are not going to save any money between the 2 types of voltage. not because of your watts, amps, ohme ect. thats not why you save 10% now ive given enough clues answer the question. if you know electrical theory, this shouldnt be that hard to answer.

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I'll bite, I'd like to know where the savings are from. Depending on locale threw me. All I'm coming up with is better efficiency due to less line loss.

ArcticGranite said:

I'll bite, I'd like to know where the savings are from. Depending on locale threw me. All I'm coming up with is better efficiency due to less line loss.

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exactly i think ive given him enough time to use wiki.

that efficiency is found because the wire temps are lower. when using something like a "WELDER" a higher voltage is safer because of less heat on the lines, some welders only run on 240v because of the heat they generate.

also your electricity will be cheaper depending on the time of the year and locale because of better transmission through COLD power lines due to the weather.

but anyways 240v runs a lower temp than a 120v because each pole is only receiving half the amps thus wider heat distribution thus cooler more efficient power lines.


vonkins mouth:0

I'm buying it. Voltage is transmitted at 138,230,345 kv (other flavors too) to reduce line loss. Von's killing me with the mis info and backpedaling.

" Now if this appliance ran for 24 hours at 120 volts that would be 48 kilowatt hours that day. Now at 240 volts 24 hours would be 24 kilowatt hours. Damn simple math. Just pm me. I will show u apprentices how to be a JW."

Hahahaha I would be terrified to let an "electrician" this ignorant work on anything at my residence.

Polyarcturus, I applaud you for the patients you took with this complete degenerate.

The only savings to be had from switching from an installation already wired for 120 volts would be the copper losses incurred by the branch circuit run. Unless your branch circuit is greater than 50 feet from your panel, the difference on your bill will be negligible.

The biggest reason to go for 240 volt appliances and ballasts is a reduction in wire sizing. A wire of the same ampacity can carry twice the wattage at double the voltage. To say an appliance would run twice the wattage at half the voltage is the dumbest thing I have ever heard someone claiming to be an electrician say. I wish I knew your employer, so I could let him know what sort of liability he's employing.


Hahaha I love the back pedalling as the thread and scientific evidence mounts... von you are the reason China will someday own the united states, ignorance proliferates ignorance.

by vons theory it would cos me double nearly to run my mag 600 watt ballast than it would to run my digi 600 ballast wich is absolutely not true.. i have a friend with retarded logic too, that believes that mags wil cost exponentially more than digis.... but the savings is really just a drop in the bucket.

SFguy said:

by vons theory it would cos me double nearly to run my mag 600 watt ballast than it would to run my digi 600 ballast wich is absolutely not true.. i have a friend with retarded logic too, that believes that mags wil cost exponentially more than digis.... but the savings is really just a drop in the bucket.

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your mag ballast might cost you 10% or less more than his digi but your mag will lat 100x longer, its a trade off IMO i keep em both around. (mag and digi)

Vonkins said:

Guess I'm not to big of a dumb ass,huh? All I said is its cheaper on ur electric bill to run lights at 240 instead of 120. Cheaper is cheaper, whether its 5$ or 500$.

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not what you said when you were attacking everyone with your stupidity

@ poly, i have both... and use both... LOL i have my spare 1k mag sitting around too just in case my phantom craps out, but in my opinion a light is a light, but id rather have digi now.... IMO its more efficient at providing light... but thats not hwat we are talking about.

Haven't fully read this and really can't be bothered. Sorry.
Superstoner and Poly are right.
Vonker (or whatever it is), if you're an electrician, one-legged ducks don't swim around in circles.

Vonkins said:

You guys are such morons. Is it that hard to figure out. Ur oven is 1000 watt oven at 120 volts u pulls 8.3333 amps. OK now apply 240 to that same oven, now ur using 4.166 amps. Now ur on a 240 volt system let's figure out our kilowatts used at 120 verses 240. Ur kilowatts are determined at the meter and not the appliance. Ur meter is based off 240 volts so let's do the math. 240 volts ×8.333 amps÷ 1000 =2 kilowatt. Now let try the same 240 volts cause that what the meter is on × 4.166 amps÷ 1000 = 1. I don't understand how u guys can figure this out. By the way I have a govt job and I just pulled in 2900$ for 1 week. Damn good pay for a shitty electrician. Now if this appliance ran for 24 hours at 120 volts that would be 48 kilowatt hours that day. Now at 240 volts 24 hours would be 24 kilowatt hours. Damn simple math. Just pm me. I will show u apprentices how to be a JW.

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your math is all fucked up dude you say 1,000w on 120v = 8.3333 than you say its running 4.166 amps on 240v. than you do 240v x 8.3333 and divide by 1,000w = 2kw but where running 8.3333 on 120v circut not a 240v. so some how where useing half the power on a 240v right? that sounds like complete bullshit if your using half the power on a 240v people wouldn't use 120v. you really don't know shit buddy.

Advanced electrics. Lesson one.
Don't stick your tongue in the light socket.
Stick to windows.
That's what god gave you the extra chromosome for

Lol so pops has his electrical engineering degree/eMBA and confirms that vonk is terribly mistaken, poly and T.H.C thank you for clearing this up.. And yeah vonk, you might pull in ~$3000 a week cuz electricicians get payed ~$75/hr ($75x40(hrs/wk)=$3000 im assuming this is where he's pulling his numbers from and not his ass) but we all really know they only get about $20-$40/hr so yeah just quit bullshitting us dude, if you dont know what you're talking about don't talk cuz someone here will slam their facts down your throat.. and probly make you look stupid... no, yeah they made you look stupid.

Peace,
OC

OK. Time to call a truce. Vonker, you made a mistake. You are clearly NOT an electrician or even have a grasp of the basics (especially ohms law, the FIRST lesson).
Swallow your pride. You can't be too bad a grower to have the rating you have.
Mistake made and corrected by others. Time to move on.
We're all here to learn.
If none of us ever fucked up and we all knew everything, we wouldn't be on here. Fuck knows I have made enough.
I am guessing you are an apprentice and those guys weren't laughing with you. They were laughing at you. Take it as a lesson, learn from these people and hopefully get yourself in a position to do the same back. (send them to the shop for a 'long weight' etc)
Peace fellas.

Vonkins said:

OK dumbass when did u top out or graduate the apprenticeship? Cause ur are a retard. Why do u think ur oven, AC unit and other big power users are 240 volts. Cause if u were running a 120 volts then ur amps would be through the roof. First of all I'm the electrician not u. Do u even know ohms law. If so do the math. U must be none union or a JW wanna be. I walk around with a union journeyman's license how bout u? Do u even know what JW means? Ha ha

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Im a home builder.. If you ran those things on 110 you would need a 60 & 80 amp breaker. Also industry standards in North America dictate the 220v appliances. As noted in the other post, if it WAS cheaper to run 220 EVERYTHING would be 220.

1000w is 1000w. Read your hydro bill. You dont pay for amperage, you pay for watts.

now... FIGHT!

polyarcturus said:

i would have to say its about 10% cheaper ive found it cheaper to run 240v too. but i wasnt saying that when dumbass was talking about 50% off lol

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I believe this is the case due to most 220v equipment being overall more efficient than 110v equipment. As stated in this post previously no matter what voltage your running if your volt/amp ration equals the same wattage in both voltage flavors then you get the same killowatt/hr and thats how your billed. (2*2=4 , 1*4=4)

I am just a noob here, but whoever stated they were an electrician and didn't know this basic electrical principle is def not a licensed electrician. That would be like a scientist trying to tell you that the earth is 10,000 years old.

Vonkins said:

You guys are such morons. Is it that hard to figure out. Ur oven is 1000 watt oven at 120 volts u pulls 8.3333 amps. OK now apply 240 to that same oven, now ur using 4.166 amps. Now ur on a 240 volt system let's figure out our kilowatts used at 120 verses 240. Ur kilowatts are determined at the meter and not the appliance. Ur meter is based off 240 volts so let's do the math. 240 volts ×8.333 amps÷ 1000 =2 kilowatt. Now let try the same 240 volts cause that what the meter is on × 4.166 amps÷ 1000 = 1. I don't understand how u guys can figure this out. By the way I have a govt job and I just pulled in 2900$ for 1 week. Damn good pay for a shitty electrician. Now if this appliance ran for 24 hours at 120 volts that would be 48 kilowatt hours that day. Now at 240 volts 24 hours would be 24 kilowatt hours. Damn simple math. Just pm me. I will show u apprentices how to be a JW.

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LOL. You better save that money, because from the sound of it you will be getting a lot of law suits from house fires.

stayinlifted said:

LOL. You better save that money, because from the sound of it you will be getting a lot of law suits from house fires.

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indeed, also just confirmed with my 1 year old that 400 watts is the same thing as 400 watts. imagine that.

stayinlifted said:

LOL. You better save that money, because from the sound of it you will be getting a lot of law suits from house fires.

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Missed that one Stayinlifted. (As I said, I couldn't be bothered!) Absolute classic! At first glance I didn't realise how much of a prat this Vonkins guy is being.

Now I realise the full scale of it, I am shocked beyond belief! Is he REALLY that stupid? It must be either some sort of wind up or a plot to make all growers burn their houses down.

wawa007 said:

hi u guys can someone tell me what is the difference if my light would be on a 110 or a 220 volts plug , my monthly bill wouldn't change wright to my understanding its just power voltage , what i mean by that is if my 1kw light is on 110v plug lets sey it needs 15amp breaker than if it would work on 220v it would need less breaker amperage , because of easier power flow , idk maybe someone of you know the answer and will let me know, thanx

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dont listen to all the shit.

amps are more powerfull than volts.

lower the voltage higher the amps.


vehicles that are only 12 volts dc can carry 250 amps that will burn your finger off.

Vonkins said:

You guys are such morons. Is it that hard to figure out. Ur oven is 1000 watt oven at 120 volts u pulls 8.3333 amps. OK now apply 240 to that same oven, now ur using 4.166 amps. Now ur on a 240 volt system let's figure out our kilowatts used at 120 verses 240. Ur kilowatts are determined at the meter and not the appliance. Ur meter is based off 240 volts so let's do the math. 240 volts ×8.333 amps÷ 1000 =2 kilowatt. Now let try the same 240 volts cause that what the meter is on × 4.166 amps÷ 1000 = 1. I don't understand how u guys can figure this out. By the way I have a govt job and I just pulled in 2900$ for 1 week. Damn good pay for a shitty electrician. Now if this appliance ran for 24 hours at 120 volts that would be 48 kilowatt hours that day. Now at 240 volts 24 hours would be 24 kilowatt hours. Damn simple math. Just pm me. I will show u apprentices how to be a JW.

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That explains it.

If you have a 1000w appliance and your option is to run it on 120v or 240v, I would chose 240v, but not for the reasons you would think. They would both use about the same amount of power. Only difference is since you are using a lower current with the 240v you can 1) potentially run a smaller circuit. Smaller circuit, smaller wire. Wire is expensive. 2) you are losing less through I^2R losses with 240v, but probably wouldn't be significant anyway unless you are running a long distance. I doubt many of you guys except very skilled electricians or electrical engineers know what I^2R losses are anyway...