A Stumper of a Question Regarding Edibles

Moose245

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First thread I'm starting so hope this turns out fine. Before beginning I should say that the term 'strain' seems to be used for both the classification of indica, sativa and ruderalis as well as specific types of each such as OG Kush or Pineapple Express. I don't really understand why this is, but for clarification when I write 'strain' here I am referring to the latter not the former. If the way I'm writing it is incorrect, just let me know and I'll correct the post so no one is confused.

Ok on to the topic, so I've looked around the site and outside on the impact specific strains have on edibles, but haven't had much luck. I've seen that people blend different strains together to get different effects and tastes when smoking, and I know that a great deal of those who manufacture edibles just use a shake mix (sometimes all of their indicas, sometimes all of their sativas, sometimes a mix of both) to make their edibles. From what I have read online it also seems that the attitude towards edibles in the US is more of a 'thc and terps matter', but that's it. From personal experience though (mostly in the Netherlands where specific strain [e.g. OG Kush] is written on the package not a generic 'sativa' or 'indica' like here in the US) I have experienced very different effects from different strains used in edibles in the past. However, I can't tell if this is due to the strain itself or the manufacturing process used. Moreover, now learning that edibles are converted by the liver into 11-hydroxy-thc it makes things even less clear to someone like me on whether strain has an impact on the effect of an edible.

So the question then is "does strain really matter in an edible?" Now remember, I am not taking about taste or smell here, I am talking about overall effect that you get from the edible. My personal experience leads me to believe that it does, but what I have read online indicates it doesn't. Personally, I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't. It may not be a perfect analogy, but anyone here who has had alcohol knows that despite rum, whisky, wine and tequila all being types of alcohol, each one provides a different effect when drunk. The 'thc and terps are the only thing that matters' argument also comes across as lazy and contradictory seeing that a lot of edibles in the US are listed as 'sativa' or 'indica'. If thc and terps were the only thing that mattered, why bother writing even this out?

The above being said, you can see that I would really like it to be that strain does matter in an edible. However, I'm asking here because I genuinely don't know and want to get to the bottom of this. Whatever is really the case, something is not right about how this is being presented to us and I want to know what is what. So I'll end this post by reiterating my question "does strain really matter in an edible?"

Edit: Well looks like I put this post in the wrong section. I apologize and would appreciate it if someone could help me move it somewhere better suited to the topic.
 
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vostok

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Edit: Well looks like I put this post in the wrong section. I apologize and would appreciate it if someone could help me move it somewhere better suited to the topic.

So the question then is "does strain really matter in an edible?"

Science says no ...and I agree with Science , ...but I too say they've been too fast to note

as already large corperations are all ready looking at Yeast to make bulk THC for foods

besides science is still working on this

good luck
 

hotrodharley

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Strain only matters as far as total THC for edibles or concentrates in general. So usually an indica or indica dominant hybrid.

Legal state. Facebook groups. Private and no selling anything or even hinting at it. Just reviews of products and gossip in Alaska cannabis circles.

Biggest group of comments involve smells and tastes. “This stuff tastes like ass!”
 

hotrodharley

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I’ve got ISP Insane Chem 91. That stuff rocks it as dab. Kid a couple towns away runs mine. If we could get anything analyzed we could accurately dose with it. Just drop the dab in when you’re first melting your butter.
 
After a year of making tinctures and turning them into edibles I would agree with the above statements that strain only matters regarding thc content
The characteristics (if I can call it that) get lost during the processing and heat exposure
If your edible is sugar based it will not go through the liver from what I understand
Coconut or mct oil goes through the liver
My personal experience is that these two carriers (sugar, coconut/mct oil) present different highs
I gave up on the terpenes issue
You can purchase terpenes and add them but they can affect taste, not always in a positive way
Remember anything commercial comes with the "sell", people like their terpenes
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These are homemade peppermint patties made with infused simple syrup
They give you a 3-5 hour trip, you can go out in public
The coconut gelato I make (sorry no pic) is made with coconut oil and gives a heavier couch lock high that last 5-8 hours, go out in public at your own risk
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Couple of pics of tincture being reduced for simple syrup infusion
Until more research is done we are all in the dark about the specifics so I would be patient and just go by thc content
In my world f*cked up is f*cked up, don't notice the terpenes
The latest argument I came across is that there is no difference between sativa and indica highs, toxic thread on another site
Now lets get into hybrids........NOT!
 
I do edibles and for sure I tell differences. But I'm a sensitive guy. I may do a blind study and see how well I can guess what strain I had.
I would be very interested in not only the results but how you would go about an objective blind study
Please post back if you do this and let us in on your methodology
Edibles are gaining a foothold in the cannabis community and this info would be gold
I process my tincture to eliminate as much cannabis taste as possible
The taste makes me wretch, literally
In the process I scrub out all the compounds that would probably help identify any strain so not much use to me but for medical application it may help other folks
 

raggyb

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I would be very interested in not only the results but how you would go about an objective blind study
Please post back if you do this and let us in on your methodology
Edibles are gaining a foothold in the cannabis community and this info would be gold
I process my tincture to eliminate as much cannabis taste as possible
The taste makes me wretch, literally
In the process I scrub out all the compounds that would probably help identify any strain so not much use to me but for medical application it may help other folks
Sure. Nothing too fancy. I'll take my 3 most different feeling strains imho. I'll make portions so I think they are approximately the same strength. I'm pretty good judge of this but you'll have to trust me on that part. I have to make them same size so I can't tell one from the other. I'll put a label around each. One week apart I'll do each test. Grab one at random, unwrap the label without peeking and put it somewhere I cant see it. Eat it! Take notes about feelings, make my guess. Next week, do it again. Attempt same environment such as what I eat before and time of day. Make second guess. Third week same. Make revisions to guesses if any after having all 3. Sleep on it and then see what my score is!
 

raggyb

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I would be very interested in not only the results but how you would go about an objective blind study
Please post back if you do this and let us in on your methodology
Edibles are gaining a foothold in the cannabis community and this info would be gold
I process my tincture to eliminate as much cannabis taste as possible
The taste makes me wretch, literally
In the process I scrub out all the compounds that would probably help identify any strain so not much use to me but for medical application it may help other folks
I'm about ready to start. Decided I have to go with what is same size capsules so I cannot tell what it is based on different sizes. That narrowed it down to Wild Thai, Blueberry, and Shiva Rose. Unfortunately they are not as different as I would prefer, but on the bright side they are good so I'll enjoy. I think this is going to be difficult to tell.

These are pills of butter of similar strength. The terps might be there more than in your tincture but I've never been able to discern a taste in this way. At most I might belch after it mixes with stomach juices and be like 'I think I taste pot'.
 

Offmymeds

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I'm about ready to start. Decided I have to go with what is same size capsules so I cannot tell what it is based on different sizes. That narrowed it down to Wild Thai, Blueberry, and Shiva Rose. Unfortunately they are not as different as I would prefer, but on the bright side they are good so I'll enjoy. I think this is going to be difficult to tell.

These are pills of butter of similar strength. The terps might be there more than in your tincture but I've never been able to discern a taste in this way. At most I might belch after it mixes with stomach juices and be like 'I think I taste pot'.
I appreciate your sacrifices in the interest of science. Good luck. We'll wait.
 

Tracker

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I've been told that my edibles of different strains do have different effects. I've never noticed different effects other than the quantity consumed.

Current edibles are made with 2020 outdoor harvest. There are 5 strains. The two people who consume most of the edibles only consume edibles, no smoking or vaping. Their consumption is daily, but what I consider to be small doses. They prefer couch-lock sleep aide feeling. They specifically asked for no more White Widow or Widow Bomb because they said it makes them too awake and energized. Their preference is Motherlode Kush, but they also use the other strains. Sometimes, they get flower from the dispo to make their own. They prefer to make their own instead of buying edibles. They always get whatever Indica Kush looks and smells super dank.

I make butter or coconut oil using flower. I decarb in the oven, then use a magical butter machine to infuse. The butter goes in cookies, and they consume the coconut oil by stirring into tea.
 
My issue is the taste
I no longer use my MBM because to much plant material ends up in the alcohol or oil
Water cure, cold ethanol extraction and filtering have made my edibles......ah, well edible for me for lack of a better term
Fairly sure I strip off any of the compounds that would make one edible different from another
Only potency would differ
 

raggyb

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My issue is the taste
I no longer use my MBM because to much plant material ends up in the alcohol or oil
Water cure, cold ethanol extraction and filtering have made my edibles......ah, well edible for me for lack of a better term
Fairly sure I strip off any of the compounds that would make one edible different from another
Only potency would differ
I have no idea but that's cool. Seems alcohol at least could hold terps since there's all that wine tasting and stuff going on.
 

Lockedin

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At a minimum, Sativa vs. Indica can be felt - playtime vs bedtime.

As for strains, I think that concentrates and edibles are where strain - or strain blends - will show traits more noticeably.
I'm pretty interested in this as I'm hoping to start my Herijuana seeds soon. Supposedly good phenos will have a numbing / tingly effect...
...I'm thinking that a hash - or other concentrate - run would really allow those traits to come out.

Le you know towards the end of summer! :weed:
 

raggyb

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At a minimum, Sativa vs. Indica can be felt - playtime vs bedtime.

As for strains, I think that concentrates and edibles are where strain - or strain blends - will show traits more noticeably.
I'm pretty interested in this as I'm hoping to start my Herijuana seeds soon. Supposedly good phenos will have a numbing / tingly effect...
...I'm thinking that a hash - or other concentrate - run would really allow those traits to come out.

Le you know towards the end of summer! :weed:
that's a good alternate viewpoint. It feels that smoking puts me off kilter in ways that I can't decifer certain subtle traits of the high.
 

Lockedin

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that's a good alternate viewpoint. It feels that smoking puts me off kilter in ways that I can't decifer certain subtle traits of the high.
Careful with edibles - off-kilter from smoking a certain strain could turn into a blinds-drawn-they're-after-me event.

Most dispo labels advise starting at 10mg and going up from there (good advice).

That said - 150mg of sativa tablets is about the limit of pleasurable for me - I just fall asleep with much more.
 

raggyb

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Careful with edibles - off-kilter from smoking a certain strain could turn into a blinds-drawn-they're-after-me event.

Most dispo labels advise starting at 10mg and going up from there (good advice).

That said - 150mg of sativa tablets is about the limit of pleasurable for me - I just fall asleep with much more.
you got that right. but by off kilter I don't just mean the drug but also the smoke in my lungs effects of any kind of smoke this one just happens to be weed. but yeah too many mg in any form, no es bueno.
 

gwheels

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I like when you hit 400mg...600mg...

The easiest....decarbed buds ground and stuffed into 00 caps. 1/2 gram can fit in each and if its 25% weed thats 125MG per cap.

20% weed is 100mg per cap...4 of them hums just nice....sativa for the daytime no sleepies. I make edibles and caps strain specific and they behave differently just not as dramatically as with a doob.

Except done with the right strains sativa gummies are like electric espresso. And a solid indica...good luck staying awake.

Throw some autoflowers or CBD in to help chill it all out...beauty.

I make gummies and brownies but mostly tincture and i dont mind just eating a 2 or 3 gram decarbbed bud...its probably got minerals and vitamins and it tastes better than the first pot brownie i made :D
 
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